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Women's Intelligence and the Islamic Tradition

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The [[Islam|Islamic]] tradition from the [[Hadith]] and later material agrees on the general supposition that women are inferior in intelligence vis-a-vis men. That all [[Islam and Women|women]] are [[Creation|created]] less intelligent than their male counterparts is used as an explanation for several Islamic doctrines and rules of jurisprudence, including the belief that women make up the majority of the denizens of [[jahannam|Hell]] and the lower value of a woman's testimony against a man's in Islamic [[Shari'ah]] courts.

==Introduction==

According to the Hadith, the Prophet [[Muhammad|Muhammad's]] once declared that the majority of the inhabitants of [[Hell]] are women.<ref>{{Bukhari|1|6|301}}</ref> When asked why, he said it was because they are deficient in intelligence and religion, and because they are ungrateful to their husbands. The Hadith clearly presents Muhammad's belief as being that ''all'' women are less intelligent than their male counterparts; the traditional Islamic view is that this deficiency was not mitigated or qualified in any way be the prophet.

==Primary Sources==

===Ahadith evidence===

{{quote | {{Bukhari|1|6|301}}|

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. '''I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you.''' A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, '''"Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?"''' They replied in the affirmative. '''He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence.''' Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion." }}

{{quote | {{Bukhari|2|24|541}}|

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri

On 'Id ul Fitr or 'Id ul Adha Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) went out to the Musalla. After finishing the prayer, he delivered the sermon and ordered the people to give alms. He said, "O people! Give alms." Then he went towards the women and said. "O women! Give alms, for I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were you (women)." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the reason for it?" He replied, "O women! You curse frequently, and are ungrateful to your husbands. '''I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. O women,''' some of you can lead a cautious wise man astray." Then he left. And when he reached his house, Zainab, the wife of Ibn Masud, came and asked permission to enter It was said, "O Allah's Apostle! It is Zainab." He asked, 'Which Zainab?" The reply was that she was the wife of Ibn Mas'ub. He said, "Yes, allow her to enter." And she was admitted. Then she said, "O Prophet of Allah! Today you ordered people to give alms and I had an ornament and intended to give it as alms, but Ibn Masud said that he and his children deserved it more than anybody else." The Prophet replied, "Ibn Masud had spoken the truth. Your husband and your children had more right to it than anybody else." }}

{{quote | {{Bukhari|3|48|826}}|

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri

The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind." }}

===Qur'an evidence===

{{quote | {{Quran|2|282|}}|

'''Yusuf Ali:''' O ye who believe! When ye deal with each other, in transactions involving future obligations in a fixed period of time, reduce them to writing Let a scribe write down faithfully as between the parties: let not the scribe refuse to write: as Allah Has taught him, so let him write. Let him who incurs the liability dictate, but let him fear His Lord Allah, and not diminish aught of what he owes. If they party liable is mentally deficient, or weak, or unable Himself to dictate, Let his guardian dictate faithfully, and get two witnesses, out of your own men, '''and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her.''' The witnesses should not refuse when they are called on (For evidence). Disdain not to reduce to writing (your contract) for a future period, whether it be small or big: it is juster in the sight of Allah, More suitable as evidence, and more convenient to prevent doubts among yourselves but if it be a transaction which ye carry out on the spot among yourselves, there is no blame on you if ye reduce it not to writing. But take witness whenever ye make a commercial contract; and let neither scribe nor witness suffer harm. If ye do (such harm), it would be wickedness in you. So fear Allah; For it is Good that teaches you. And Allah is well acquainted with all things. If ye are on a journey, and cannot find a scribe, a pledge with possession (may serve the purpose). And if one of you deposits a thing on trust with another, let the trustee (faithfully) discharge his trust, and let him Fear his Lord conceal not evidence; for whoever conceals it, - his heart is tainted with sin. And Allah knoweth all that ye do.

'''Pickthal:''' O ye who believe! When ye contract a debt for a fixed term, record it in writing. Let a scribe record it in writing between you in (terms of) equity. No scribe should refuse to write as Allah hath taught him, so let him write, and let him who incurreth the debt dictate, and let him observe his duty to Allah his Lord, and diminish naught thereof. But if he who oweth the debt is of low understanding, or weak, or unable himself to dictate, then let the guardian of his interests dictate in (terms of) equity. And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. '''And if two men be not (at hand) then a man and two women, of such as ye approve as witnesses, so that if the one erreth (through forgetfulness) the other will remember.''' And the witnesses must not refuse when they are summoned. Be not averse to writing down (the contract) whether it be small or great, with (record of) the term thereof. That is more equitable in the sight of Allah and more sure for testimony, and the best way of avoiding doubt between you; save only in the case when it is actual merchandise which ye transfer among yourselves from hand to hand. In that case it is no sin for you if ye write it not. And have witnesses when ye sell one to another, and let no harm be done to scribe or witness. If ye do (harm to them) lo! it is a sin in you. Observe your duty to Allah. Allah is teaching you. And Allah is knower of all things.

'''Shakir:''' O you who believe! when you deal with each other in contracting a debt for a fixed time, then write it down; and let a scribe write it down between you with fairness; and the scribe should not refuse to write as Allah has taught him, so he should write; and let him who owes the debt dictate, and he should be careful of (his duty to) Allah, his Lord, and not diminish anything from it; but if he who owes the debt is unsound in understanding, or weak, or (if) he is not able to dictate himself, let his guardian dictate with fairness; and call in to witness from among your men two witnesses; '''but if there are not two men, then one man and two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses, so that if one of the two errs, the second of the two may remind the other'''; and the witnesses should not refuse when they are summoned; and be not averse to writing it (whether it is) small or large, with the time of its falling due; this is more equitable in the sight of Allah and assures greater accuracy in testimony, and the nearest (way) that you may not entertain doubts (afterwards), except when it is ready merchandise which you give and take among yourselves from hand to hand, then there is no blame on you in not writing it down; and have witnesses when you barter with one another, and let no harm be done to the scribe or to the witness; and if you do (it) then surely it will be a transgression in you, and be careful of (your duty) to Allah, Allah teaches you, and Allah knows all things}}

==Apologetic Claims==

===Muhammad was referring to that specific group of women only===

Here is a video from Rasha Al-Disuqi, a West Coast based professor, author, and activist.<ref>[http://www.sharaaz.com/index.php3?menu=describe&table=Book&cat=Books&id=4275&associate= Book review and Profile of Rasha al-Disuqi]</ref> Her topic was "Rights of Muslim women and their rights in society".

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In the above video she makes two claims:

===="Not a blanket statement for all Women"====

{{quote || That hadith was said at a specific time, during a specific situation, addressing a specific group and it was not meant to be as a blanket statement.}}

There is absolutely no evidence that Muhammad's statements in the ahadith were directed at that specific group of women because:

1. Muhammad's sole piece of evidence for this statement is Allah's mandate in ''Qur'an 2:282'' which states that two women are required to give evidence in the absence of a man; this is to say that the testimony of one woman is equal to 1/2 of a man's testimony. Nowhere in that verse does it say "This is for the women of Muhammad's time" or "this is only for a specific group of women." If the Qur'an is a book for all time, then the testimony of a woman is ''always'' the equivalent of 1/2 a man's testimony in Islam. Therefore, for Muhammad to use this as evidence as to the deficiency of a woman's mind ''proves'' that it was a "blanket statement" over all women who have and will ever live.

2. In the same hadith (not the partial one) Muhammad tells the women that they are also ''deficient in religion''. Islam is very much a works-based religion; every day of fasting 'counts' for your reward in heaven, every prayer, every 'good deed' (as outlined in the Qur'an). Since women are not allowed to pray or fast during their menses, this means that a woman doing every 'good deed' she is able to do, and a man doing every 'good deed' they are able to, will result in the man receiving a higher reward from Allah because he was able to do more religious deeds than the female.

Do we also apply the "This was only for that specific group of Women" answer to Muhammad's claim that women are also deficient in religion? Are women suddenly allowed to fast and pray when they are menstruating? We know they aren't; so why should we apply one part of the hadith to that specific group of women when the second claim is clearly referring to all Muslim Women?

3. Muhammad said "The majority of the dwellers of Hellfire are Women." If these ahadith refer only to that group of women, then that group must have been extremely large. Think about how many women have and will exist on this earth throughout time. Now, the ''majority'' of the people in Hell are supposedly from this one group of Women that Muhammad was addressing? Where then are the pagans, the atheists, Christians, Jews and hypocritical Muslims? Where are the men? How ''big'' was this group of women?

Muhammad was clearly making a blanket statement about ''all'' women.

====Scans of male and female brains prove it was only for that group====

{{quote ||Look at an X-RAY or MRI for that matter, you'll find that both [male and female] brains are the same; why should they be deficient in any way?

Women who are smarter, more intellectual in many fields. '''THAT argument''' [ that Muhammad was referring to all women ] '''is a failure.'''}}

This argument is illogical: ''because'' modern science has shown us that there is no 'deficiency' in a female brain, then Muhammad could not have been referring to every woman. This argument ignores the evidence in favor of a more palatable interpretation. The fact is, modern science and common sense prove Muhammad's statements to be incorrect. They do not prove that Muhammad was referring to a specific group of women only; merely that Muhammad was wrong in making a blanket statement.

Rasha then shoots herself in the foot by proving in one short sentence that Muhammad ''was'' wrong; she herself knows that women are not stupid; that they are equal to, or excel men in many fields. But, in order to remain under the influence of someone who called her 'deficient' , she must use current knowledge in order to 'spin' Muhammad's words. In essence, when she says "That argument is a failure" she is acknowledging that Muhammad was completely wrong to make such a claim.

===Muhammad was using hyperbole to scare women into giving alms===

{{quote ||But the Prophet (peace be upon him) was also being playful in his use of strong terms to impress this teaching on the listeners. Ruqayyah Waris Maqsud writes, “After the Farewell Pilgrimage at the Eid prayer, the Prophet walked past the men leaning on Bilal's arm, and came to the rows of women behind them. Bilal spread out a cloth and the Prophet urged the women to be generous with their gifts of charity, for when he had been allowed a glimpse into the flames of Hell, he had noted that most of the people being tormented there were women.

The women were outraged, and one of them instantly stood up boldly and demanded to know why that was so.
'Because,' he replied, 'you women grumble so much, and show ingratitude to your husbands! Even if the poor fellows spent all their lives doing good things for you, you have only to be upset at the least thing and you will say, 'I have never received any good from you!' (Bukhari 1.28, recorded by Ibn Abbas - who was present on that occasion as a child).

At that the women began vigorously to pull off their rings and ear-rings, and throw them into Bilal's cloth.”}}

This is a very disingenuous presentation of evidence. This interpretation attempts to draw together two different sets of ahadith and present them as the same event. The first set is provided above. Here are the ones for this specific interpretation:

{{quote | {{Muslim|4|1923}}|

Ibn 'Abbas reported: I participated in the Fitr prayer with the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and Abu Bakr, 'Umar and 'Uthman, and all of them observed this prayer before the Khutba, and then he (the Holy Prophet) delivered the sermon. Then the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) descended (from the pulpit) and I (perceive) as if I am seeing him as he is commanding people with his hand to sit down. He then made his way through their (assembly) till he came to the women. Bilal was with him. He then recited (this verse): O Prophet, when believing women come to thee giving thee a pledge that they will not associate aught with Allah" (lx. 12) till he finished (his address to) them and then said: Do you conform to it (what has been described in the verse)? Only one woman among them replied: Yes, Apostle of Allah, but none else replied. He (the narrator) said: It could not be ascertained who actually she was. He (the Holy Prophet) exhorted them to give alms. Bilal stretched his cloth and then said: Come forward with alms. Let my father and mother be taken as ransom for you. And they began to throw rings and ringlets in the cloth of Bilal.}}

{{quote | {{Muslim|4|1924}}|

Ibn 'Abbas reported: I bear testimony to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) offering prayer before Kutba. He (after saying prayer) delivered the Kutba, and he found that the women could not hear it, so he came to them and exhorted them and preached them and commanded them to give alms, and Bilal had stretched his cloth and the women were throwing rings, earrings and other things. This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Ayyub with the same chain of transmitters.}}

{{quote | {{Muslim|4|1926}}|

Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: I observed prayer with the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) on the 'Id day. He commenced with prayer before the sermon without Adhan and Iqama. He then stood up leaning on Bilal, and he commanded (them) to be on guard (against evil for the sake of) Allah, and he exhorted (them) on obedience to Him, and he preached to the people and admonished them. He then walked on till he came to the women and preached to them and admonished them, and asked them to give alms, for most of them are the fuel for Hell. A woman having a dark spot on the cheek stood up and said: Why is it so, Messenger of Allah? He said: For you grumble often and show ingratitude to your spouse. And then they began to give alms out of their ornaments such as their earrings and rings which they threw on to the cloth of Bilal.}}

It is true that Muhammad approached the women after prayer in both sets of ahadith; and that he asked them to give alms. However we note in the second set, not even once, does Muhammad make the same claims about Women's intelligence or religion. He merely states that women are ''ungrateful'' in an effort to goad them into giving more charity. If these ahadith were narrations of the same event, you would expect a mention of intelligence or religion.

Even if this explanation was right, it still doesn't explain why Muhammad called women deficient in intelligence, and then directed them to the mandate in Qur'an 2:282 as evidence for this deficiency. If his aim was simply to get them to donate more money, surely a threat of hellfire and calling them ungrateful would have sufficed for his purpose; and evidently it did.

Muhammad also knew that Hellfire was a great motivator to his followers; once he found a threat that worked, he milked it for all it was worth. Because of the discrepancies between the two sets of narrations, we can conclude that the two sets of narrations are from separate events; and that Muhammad simply re-used a scare tactic in order to get what he wanted.

===Deficiency is only about giving financial testimony===

{{quote ||Muhammad did say women are deficient in Intelligence. However, since his evidence was Quran 2:282, Muhammad was only referring to the deficiency of women when giving testimony for financial transactions.}}

Qur'an 2:282 states that the second female witness is required (in lieu of a man) because the first woman may forget; therefore the second can remind her. This implies that women have bad memories and are prone, more so then men, to forget details. On first look, this explanation looks quite reasonable; however in the ahadith, Muhammad did not specify that the testimony of women, ''in financial cases only'' was the cause of their intelligence defects. If this were truly only about testimony for financial cases, then Muhammad would have specified this. His statement "Isn't it true that ''the'' testimony of two women is equal to that of a man" strongly implies that two female witnesses are required for any type of testimony; and in no way implies that it is for financial testimony only.

After all, if ''this'' is the deficiency in her intelligence; then Muhammad is clearly referring to the fact that Allah believes that women have bad memories; and ''this'' is the reason a woman is deficient.

===Muhammad was joking===

{{quote ||Muhammad knew that group of women very well, and as he would pass by them he would joke around with them. When he said that they were deficient in Intelligence and Religion he was joking around. They understood this.}}

This is one of the most bizarre claims we've come across regarding these ahadith. When asked for evidence, the claimant is unable to do so. In any case, there is absolutely no evidence in the ahadith or elsewhere that this was an 'in joke' between Muhammad and these women.

Muhammad also backs up these "jokes" with reference to the Qur'an, which he'd obviously take very seriously as the alleged prophet.

==Further Evidence==

===Al-Tabari's Tarikh===

In the discussion thus far we have presented [[Sahih]] ahadith attributed to Muhammad and have demonstrated each hadith was intended to be applied to all women for all time. We have seen Muslims attempt to explain away this assertion and argue that the ahadith applied only to certain women or particular situations, and did not apply to all women for all time. Which is the truth? What is the original source of Muhammad's view of women; where did it originate from?

Abu Jafar Muhammad bin Jarir al-Tabari is recognized as one of the greatest of all Islamic scholars. He not only wrote one of the most authoritative Tafsir (commentary of the Qur'an) but also wrote a history of the world (tarikh) from the Islamic worldview. Published in English as ''The History of al-Tabari'' (SUNY Press, NY) in 39 volumes, this work presents world history from the creation account up until al-Tabari's death. When we consult al-Tabari's tarikh we find the source of Muhammad's view of women.

When God created Adam and Eve and placed them in the garden, they were told to not eat of a certain tree. Eve was tempted by Iblis (Satan) to eat of the tree, and she then gave some to Adam to eat also. Adam and Eve try to flee from God because of shame after their private parts were exposed. From this act of disobedience of Eve came God's curse on women.

{{Quote|{{Tabari|1|pp. 280-281}}|His Lord called out to him: Adam, is it from Me that you are fleeing? Adam replied: No, my Lord, but I feel shame before You. When God asked what had caused his trouble, he replied: Eve, My Lord. Whereupon God said: Now it is My obligation to make her bleed once every month, as she made this tree bleed. '''I also must make her stupid, although I created her intelligent''' ''(halimah),'' and must make her suffer pregnancy. Ibn Zayd continued: '''Were it not for the affliction that affected Eve, the women of this world wound not menstruate, and they would be intelligent''' and, when pregnant, give birth easily.}}

In a lecture delivered by Saudi cleric Abd Al-Aziz Al-Fawzan, which aired on Al-Majd TV (June 11, 2007), he responds to the criticism made by 'enemies' of Islam against Muhammad's "women are deficient" statement by confirming the account found in Tabari:

{{Quote|[http://www.memri.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/350/1483.htm Husbands Should Put Up with Their Wives' Slips and Errors, Because the Twisted Nature of Women Stems from Their Very Creation] MEMRI TV, Clip No. 1483, Broadcast: June 11, 2007|The Prophet '''Muhammad said about women: "I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you'''. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you," and so on. This hadith and others like it were misunderstood by the ignorant. Corrupt people interpreted it in a way that differs from its original intent. Because of their ignorance, their insolence, their stupidity, and because of their enmity towards Islam and Muslims, they turned this hadith into evidence that Islam disgraces women, diminishing her value, and describes her in inadequate terms. . . . 
These hadiths provide some of the most decisive evidence that Islam protects women and guarantees their rights. Islam has surrounded the woman with a fence of compassion and mercy. '''It has shown that the twisted nature of women stems from their very creation. This is how Allah wanted woman to be.''' Therefore, the husband must adapt himself to her and be patient with her. He should not giver her too many things to do, or things that she is incapable of doing. '''He should not make her do anything that is contrary to her nature, and to the way she was created by Allah'''. In addition, '''he should turn a blind eye to her mistakes, he should tolerate her slips and errors, and put up with all the silly ignorant things she might say, because this constitutes part of the nature of her creation'''. In addition, women have surging emotions, which in some cases, might overpower their minds. The weakness with which women were created is the secret behind their attractiveness and appeal to their husbands. It is the source of women's seduction of men, and one of the elements strengthening the bond between husband and wife. This is one of the wondrous miracles of Allah: The strength of a woman lies in her weakness. Her power of seduction and appeal lie in her emotions, which might overpower her mind at times. . . . 
Both husband and wife should satisfy their spouse's natural urges, and should try to gratify their desires, as long as nothing prevents this. This is why the Prophet said: "When a man calls his wife to fulfill his needs, she must go to him, even if she is busy with the oven." Imagine this: There is fire in the oven, and she wants to bake bread. But even if she's busy with this work that cannot be neglected, when he calls her, she must leave the oven and go to her husband. Another hadith says: "She must go to him, even if she is on the back of a camel." She must go to him, even if she is riding.}}

===Qur'an 43:18===

{{quote | {{Quran|43|18|}}|

'''Yusuf Ali:''' What! has He taken daughters out of what He himself creates, and granted to you sons for choice? When news is brought to one of them of (the birth of) what he sets up as a likeness to (Allah) Most Gracious, his face darkens, and he is filled with inward grief! '''Is then one brought up among trinkets, and unable to give a clear account in a dispute (to be associated with Allah)?''' And they make into females angels who themselves serve Allah. Did they witness their creation? Their evidence will be recorded, and they will be called to account!

'''Pickthal:''' Or chooseth He daughters of all that He hath created, and honoureth He you with sons? And if one of them hath tidings of that which he likeneth to the Beneficent One, his countenance becometh black and he is full of inward rage. '''(Liken they then to Allah) that which is bred up in outward show, and in dispute cannot make itself plain?''' And they make the angels, who are the slaves of the Beneficent, females. Did they witness their creation? Their testimony will be recorded and they will be questioned.

'''Shakir:''' What! has He taken daughters to Himself of what He Himself creates and chosen you to have sons? And when one of them is given news of that of which he sets up as a likeness for the Beneficent Allah, his face becomes black and he is full of rage. '''What! that which is made in ornaments and which in contention is unable to make plain speech!''' And they make the angels-- them who are the servants of the Beneficent Allah-- female (divinities). What! did they witness their creation? Their evidence shall be written down and they shall be questioned.}}

It should be noted that some modern Muslim scholars interpret 43:18 as a reference to female pagan idols or that Allah is still referring to the attitude of the pagans towards women.<ref>[http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=10&ID=12885&CATE=88 Tafseer Quran 43:18: does this verse view women negatively?]</ref> However, the next verse (43:19) uses the same pattern - a statement of what the pagans believed followed by an interrogative alif (translated "What!") and then Allah's rebuttal ("did they witness their creation?"). Thus it seems more likely that in 43:18 Allah is making what he thinks is a factual counter-argument rather than using what he believes is another false notion of the pagans to contradict their belief in daughters of Allah.

==Conclusion==

The meaning of these ahadith is very clear. Prophet Muhammad "blanketed" a statement over every single woman who has ever and will ever live. Despite many creative ways to explain away the meaning and implications of these ahadith, the actual evidence cannot be denied. Muhammad clearly said that women are deficient in intelligence because, in Islam, the value of their testimony is equal to that of half a man. If the Qur'an is a book for all people for all time, then that mandate stands; thus Muhammad was referring to all women in general; and not just a specific group of women.

===Further thoughts on these ahadith===

This set of hadiths clearly show Muhammad's desire to control and make women subservient to him. Look at the three reasons that Muhammad lists for women being in Allah's Hell:

1. Deficient in Intelligence: The Qur'an was 'revealed' by Muhammad on behalf of his imaginary deity, Allah; thus Muhammad himself made the requirement that the testimony of two women is equal to a man. He then goes on to tell women that they will most likely end up in hell; because their intellectual deficiency, which he defined and imposed 'safeguards' against. No evidence; just "I said so!" What better way to belittle women than to continually remind them that they are 'stupid'.

2. Deficient in Religion: Again, Muhammad himself 'revealed' the entirety of Islam; its rules, regulations and requirements, rewards etc.. What better way to keep women down? Tell them your works-based religion, that they cannot perform any of these good works (praying, fasting etc..) when they are menstruating. This keeps them in a state of fear, because they have to make up for the days they were unable to be 'pious'; making them more submissive to Islam then men. Then you get Muhammad who comes along, after making this silly rule about menstruation; and tells women that most of them will end up in hell because of it. In essence, he's saying that in ''his'' religion, women will end up in hell simply for being born female.

3. Ungrateful to their Husbands: Again, Muhammad wanted his wives; and all Muslim women within his reach (in case he wanted to marry them) to be as submissive to their husbands as possible. He scares them with threats of hellfire to make them more submissive, and fearful of Allah; thereby keeping women under the thumb of their husbands.
As a result, to this day, Muslim women, and women in general, are thought of by Muslims as intellectually inferior to themselves. Perhaps this is why Muslim women especially are trying to twist the meaning of these ahadith and narrow down the testimony requirement in Quran 2:282; its either that or admit Muhammad was wrong.

{{Core Women}}
==See Also==

*[[Egypt: Female Parliament Candidate says "Women Are Deficient in Intelligence and Religion, and It Is Not Permissible for Them to Be in Authority"|Female Parliament Candidate says "Women Are Deficient in Intelligence"]]
{{Hub4|Creation|Creation}}

{{Translation-links-english|[[Недостиг на интелигентност при жените|Bulgarian]], [[ La deficienza dintelligenza delle donne|Italian]]}}

==External Links==

*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8AxTVsqhdw Islam: Women are "deficient in intelligence" (video)]
*[http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1930.htm Muslim Cleric Presents "Scientific" Proof that Women Cannot Talk and Remember Simultaneously (video)]
*[http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35888 Quran 2:282, Why does Allah mandate this Requirement?] - ''FFI Forum discussion with a Muslim regarding why two women are required to give testimony in the absence of one Man. "Just a Woman" (the Muslim) continually tries to separate the ahadith from the Qur'an verse in order to 'explain' them separately''

==References==
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Women's Intelligence and the Islamic Tradition

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The [[Islam|Islamic]] tradition from the [[Hadith]] and later material agrees on the general supposition that women are inferior in intelligence vis-a-vis men. That all [[Islam and Women|women]] are [[Creation|created]] less intelligent than their male counterparts is used as an explanation for several Islamic doctrines and rules of jurisprudence, including the belief that women make up the majority of the denizens of [[jahannam|Hell]] and the lower value of a woman's testimony against a man's in Islamic [[Shari'ah]] courts.

==Introduction==

According to the Hadith, the Prophet [[Muhammad|Muhammad's]] once declared that the majority of the inhabitants of [[Hell]] are women.<ref>{{Bukhari|1|6|301}}</ref> When asked why, he said it was because they are deficient in intelligence and religion, and because they are ungrateful to their husbands. The Hadith clearly presents Muhammad's belief as being that ''all'' women are less intelligent than their male counterparts; the traditional Islamic view is that this deficiency was not mitigated or qualified in any way be the prophet.

==Primary Sources==

===Ahadith evidence===

{{quote | {{Bukhari|1|6|301}}|

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. '''I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you.''' A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, '''"Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?"''' They replied in the affirmative. '''He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence.''' Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion." }}

{{quote | {{Bukhari|2|24|541}}|

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri

On 'Id ul Fitr or 'Id ul Adha Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) went out to the Musalla. After finishing the prayer, he delivered the sermon and ordered the people to give alms. He said, "O people! Give alms." Then he went towards the women and said. "O women! Give alms, for I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were you (women)." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the reason for it?" He replied, "O women! You curse frequently, and are ungrateful to your husbands. '''I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. O women,''' some of you can lead a cautious wise man astray." Then he left. And when he reached his house, Zainab, the wife of Ibn Masud, came and asked permission to enter It was said, "O Allah's Apostle! It is Zainab." He asked, 'Which Zainab?" The reply was that she was the wife of Ibn Mas'ub. He said, "Yes, allow her to enter." And she was admitted. Then she said, "O Prophet of Allah! Today you ordered people to give alms and I had an ornament and intended to give it as alms, but Ibn Masud said that he and his children deserved it more than anybody else." The Prophet replied, "Ibn Masud had spoken the truth. Your husband and your children had more right to it than anybody else." }}

{{quote | {{Bukhari|3|48|826}}|

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri

The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind." }}

===Qur'an evidence===

{{quote | {{Quran|2|282|}}|

'''Yusuf Ali:''' O ye who believe! When ye deal with each other, in transactions involving future obligations in a fixed period of time, reduce them to writing Let a scribe write down faithfully as between the parties: let not the scribe refuse to write: as Allah Has taught him, so let him write. Let him who incurs the liability dictate, but let him fear His Lord Allah, and not diminish aught of what he owes. If they party liable is mentally deficient, or weak, or unable Himself to dictate, Let his guardian dictate faithfully, and get two witnesses, out of your own men, '''and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her.''' The witnesses should not refuse when they are called on (For evidence). Disdain not to reduce to writing (your contract) for a future period, whether it be small or big: it is juster in the sight of Allah, More suitable as evidence, and more convenient to prevent doubts among yourselves but if it be a transaction which ye carry out on the spot among yourselves, there is no blame on you if ye reduce it not to writing. But take witness whenever ye make a commercial contract; and let neither scribe nor witness suffer harm. If ye do (such harm), it would be wickedness in you. So fear Allah; For it is Good that teaches you. And Allah is well acquainted with all things. If ye are on a journey, and cannot find a scribe, a pledge with possession (may serve the purpose). And if one of you deposits a thing on trust with another, let the trustee (faithfully) discharge his trust, and let him Fear his Lord conceal not evidence; for whoever conceals it, - his heart is tainted with sin. And Allah knoweth all that ye do.

'''Pickthal:''' O ye who believe! When ye contract a debt for a fixed term, record it in writing. Let a scribe record it in writing between you in (terms of) equity. No scribe should refuse to write as Allah hath taught him, so let him write, and let him who incurreth the debt dictate, and let him observe his duty to Allah his Lord, and diminish naught thereof. But if he who oweth the debt is of low understanding, or weak, or unable himself to dictate, then let the guardian of his interests dictate in (terms of) equity. And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. '''And if two men be not (at hand) then a man and two women, of such as ye approve as witnesses, so that if the one erreth (through forgetfulness) the other will remember.''' And the witnesses must not refuse when they are summoned. Be not averse to writing down (the contract) whether it be small or great, with (record of) the term thereof. That is more equitable in the sight of Allah and more sure for testimony, and the best way of avoiding doubt between you; save only in the case when it is actual merchandise which ye transfer among yourselves from hand to hand. In that case it is no sin for you if ye write it not. And have witnesses when ye sell one to another, and let no harm be done to scribe or witness. If ye do (harm to them) lo! it is a sin in you. Observe your duty to Allah. Allah is teaching you. And Allah is knower of all things.

'''Shakir:''' O you who believe! when you deal with each other in contracting a debt for a fixed time, then write it down; and let a scribe write it down between you with fairness; and the scribe should not refuse to write as Allah has taught him, so he should write; and let him who owes the debt dictate, and he should be careful of (his duty to) Allah, his Lord, and not diminish anything from it; but if he who owes the debt is unsound in understanding, or weak, or (if) he is not able to dictate himself, let his guardian dictate with fairness; and call in to witness from among your men two witnesses; '''but if there are not two men, then one man and two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses, so that if one of the two errs, the second of the two may remind the other'''; and the witnesses should not refuse when they are summoned; and be not averse to writing it (whether it is) small or large, with the time of its falling due; this is more equitable in the sight of Allah and assures greater accuracy in testimony, and the nearest (way) that you may not entertain doubts (afterwards), except when it is ready merchandise which you give and take among yourselves from hand to hand, then there is no blame on you in not writing it down; and have witnesses when you barter with one another, and let no harm be done to the scribe or to the witness; and if you do (it) then surely it will be a transgression in you, and be careful of (your duty) to Allah, Allah teaches you, and Allah knows all things}}

==Apologetic Claims==

===Muhammad was referring to that specific group of women only===

Here is a video from Rasha Al-Disuqi, a West Coast based professor, author, and activist.<ref>[http://www.sharaaz.com/index.php3?menu=describe&table=Book&cat=Books&id=4275&associate= Book review and Profile of Rasha al-Disuqi]</ref> Her topic was "Rights of Muslim women and their rights in society".

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In the above video she makes two claims:

===="Not a blanket statement for all Women"====

{{quote || That hadith was said at a specific time, during a specific situation, addressing a specific group and it was not meant to be as a blanket statement.}}

There is absolutely no evidence that Muhammad's statements in the ahadith were directed at that specific group of women because:

1. Muhammad's sole piece of evidence for this statement is Allah's mandate in ''Qur'an 2:282'' which states that two women are required to give evidence in the absence of a man; this is to say that the testimony of one woman is equal to 1/2 of a man's testimony. Nowhere in that verse does it say "This is for the women of Muhammad's time" or "this is only for a specific group of women." If the Qur'an is a book for all time, then the testimony of a woman is ''always'' the equivalent of 1/2 a man's testimony in Islam. Therefore, for Muhammad to use this as evidence as to the deficiency of a woman's mind ''proves'' that it was a "blanket statement" over all women who have and will ever live.

2. In the same hadith (not the partial one) Muhammad tells the women that they are also ''deficient in religion''. Islam is very much a works-based religion; every day of fasting 'counts' for your reward in heaven, every prayer, every 'good deed' (as outlined in the Qur'an). Since women are not allowed to pray or fast during their menses, this means that a woman doing every 'good deed' she is able to do, and a man doing every 'good deed' they are able to, will result in the man receiving a higher reward from Allah because he was able to do more religious deeds than the female.

Do we also apply the "This was only for that specific group of Women" answer to Muhammad's claim that women are also deficient in religion? Are women suddenly allowed to fast and pray when they are menstruating? We know they aren't; so why should we apply one part of the hadith to that specific group of women when the second claim is clearly referring to all Muslim Women?

3. Muhammad said "The majority of the dwellers of Hellfire are Women." If these ahadith refer only to that group of women, then that group must have been extremely large. Think about how many women have and will exist on this earth throughout time. Now, the ''majority'' of the people in Hell are supposedly from this one group of Women that Muhammad was addressing? Where then are the pagans, the atheists, Christians, Jews and hypocritical Muslims? Where are the men? How ''big'' was this group of women?

Muhammad was clearly making a blanket statement about ''all'' women.

====Scans of male and female brains prove it was only for that group====

{{quote ||Look at an X-RAY or MRI for that matter, you'll find that both [male and female] brains are the same; why should they be deficient in any way?

Women who are smarter, more intellectual in many fields. '''THAT argument''' [ that Muhammad was referring to all women ] '''is a failure.'''}}

This argument is illogical: ''because'' modern science has shown us that there is no 'deficiency' in a female brain, then Muhammad could not have been referring to every woman. This argument ignores the evidence in favor of a more palatable interpretation. The fact is, modern science and common sense prove Muhammad's statements to be incorrect. They do not prove that Muhammad was referring to a specific group of women only; merely that Muhammad was wrong in making a blanket statement.

Rasha then shoots herself in the foot by proving in one short sentence that Muhammad ''was'' wrong; she herself knows that women are not stupid; that they are equal to, or excel men in many fields. But, in order to remain under the influence of someone who called her 'deficient' , she must use current knowledge in order to 'spin' Muhammad's words. In essence, when she says "That argument is a failure" she is acknowledging that Muhammad was completely wrong to make such a claim.

===Muhammad was using hyperbole to scare women into giving alms===

{{quote ||But the Prophet (peace be upon him) was also being playful in his use of strong terms to impress this teaching on the listeners. Ruqayyah Waris Maqsud writes, “After the Farewell Pilgrimage at the Eid prayer, the Prophet walked past the men leaning on Bilal's arm, and came to the rows of women behind them. Bilal spread out a cloth and the Prophet urged the women to be generous with their gifts of charity, for when he had been allowed a glimpse into the flames of Hell, he had noted that most of the people being tormented there were women.

The women were outraged, and one of them instantly stood up boldly and demanded to know why that was so.
'Because,' he replied, 'you women grumble so much, and show ingratitude to your husbands! Even if the poor fellows spent all their lives doing good things for you, you have only to be upset at the least thing and you will say, 'I have never received any good from you!' (Bukhari 1.28, recorded by Ibn Abbas - who was present on that occasion as a child).

At that the women began vigorously to pull off their rings and ear-rings, and throw them into Bilal's cloth.”}}

This is a very disingenuous presentation of evidence. This interpretation attempts to draw together two different sets of ahadith and present them as the same event. The first set is provided above. Here are the ones for this specific interpretation:

{{quote | {{Muslim|4|1923}}|

Ibn 'Abbas reported: I participated in the Fitr prayer with the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and Abu Bakr, 'Umar and 'Uthman, and all of them observed this prayer before the Khutba, and then he (the Holy Prophet) delivered the sermon. Then the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) descended (from the pulpit) and I (perceive) as if I am seeing him as he is commanding people with his hand to sit down. He then made his way through their (assembly) till he came to the women. Bilal was with him. He then recited (this verse): O Prophet, when believing women come to thee giving thee a pledge that they will not associate aught with Allah" (lx. 12) till he finished (his address to) them and then said: Do you conform to it (what has been described in the verse)? Only one woman among them replied: Yes, Apostle of Allah, but none else replied. He (the narrator) said: It could not be ascertained who actually she was. He (the Holy Prophet) exhorted them to give alms. Bilal stretched his cloth and then said: Come forward with alms. Let my father and mother be taken as ransom for you. And they began to throw rings and ringlets in the cloth of Bilal.}}

{{quote | {{Muslim|4|1924}}|

Ibn 'Abbas reported: I bear testimony to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) offering prayer before Kutba. He (after saying prayer) delivered the Kutba, and he found that the women could not hear it, so he came to them and exhorted them and preached them and commanded them to give alms, and Bilal had stretched his cloth and the women were throwing rings, earrings and other things. This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Ayyub with the same chain of transmitters.}}

{{quote | {{Muslim|4|1926}}|

Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: I observed prayer with the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) on the 'Id day. He commenced with prayer before the sermon without Adhan and Iqama. He then stood up leaning on Bilal, and he commanded (them) to be on guard (against evil for the sake of) Allah, and he exhorted (them) on obedience to Him, and he preached to the people and admonished them. He then walked on till he came to the women and preached to them and admonished them, and asked them to give alms, for most of them are the fuel for Hell. A woman having a dark spot on the cheek stood up and said: Why is it so, Messenger of Allah? He said: For you grumble often and show ingratitude to your spouse. And then they began to give alms out of their ornaments such as their earrings and rings which they threw on to the cloth of Bilal.}}

It is true that Muhammad approached the women after prayer in both sets of ahadith; and that he asked them to give alms. However we note in the second set, not even once, does Muhammad make the same claims about Women's intelligence or religion. He merely states that women are ''ungrateful'' in an effort to goad them into giving more charity. If these ahadith were narrations of the same event, you would expect a mention of intelligence or religion.

Even if this explanation was right, it still doesn't explain why Muhammad called women deficient in intelligence, and then directed them to the mandate in Qur'an 2:282 as evidence for this deficiency. If his aim was simply to get them to donate more money, surely a threat of hellfire and calling them ungrateful would have sufficed for his purpose; and evidently it did.

Muhammad also knew that Hellfire was a great motivator to his followers; once he found a threat that worked, he milked it for all it was worth. Because of the discrepancies between the two sets of narrations, we can conclude that the two sets of narrations are from separate events; and that Muhammad simply re-used a scare tactic in order to get what he wanted.

===Deficiency is only about giving financial testimony===

{{quote ||Muhammad did say women are deficient in Intelligence. However, since his evidence was Quran 2:282, Muhammad was only referring to the deficiency of women when giving testimony for financial transactions.}}

Qur'an 2:282 states that the second female witness is required (in lieu of a man) because the first woman may forget; therefore the second can remind her. This implies that women have bad memories and are prone, more so then men, to forget details. On first look, this explanation looks quite reasonable; however in the ahadith, Muhammad did not specify that the testimony of women, ''in financial cases only'' was the cause of their intelligence defects. If this were truly only about testimony for financial cases, then Muhammad would have specified this. His statement "Isn't it true that ''the'' testimony of two women is equal to that of a man" strongly implies that two female witnesses are required for any type of testimony; and in no way implies that it is for financial testimony only.

After all, if ''this'' is the deficiency in her intelligence; then Muhammad is clearly referring to the fact that Allah believes that women have bad memories; and ''this'' is the reason a woman is deficient.

===Muhammad was joking===

{{quote ||Muhammad knew that group of women very well, and as he would pass by them he would joke around with them. When he said that they were deficient in Intelligence and Religion he was joking around. They understood this.}}

This is one of the most bizarre claims we've come across regarding these ahadith. When asked for evidence, the claimant is unable to do so. In any case, there is absolutely no evidence in the ahadith or elsewhere that this was an 'in joke' between Muhammad and these women.

Muhammad also backs up these "jokes" with reference to the Qur'an, which he'd obviously take very seriously as the alleged prophet.

==Further Evidence==

===Al-Tabari's Tarikh===

In the discussion thus far we have presented [[Sahih]] ahadith attributed to Muhammad and have demonstrated each hadith was intended to be applied to all women for all time. We have seen Muslims attempt to explain away this assertion and argue that the ahadith applied only to certain women or particular situations, and did not apply to all women for all time. Which is the truth? What is the original source of Muhammad's view of women; where did it originate from?

Abu Jafar Muhammad bin Jarir al-Tabari is recognized as one of the greatest of all Islamic scholars. He not only wrote one of the most authoritative Tafsir (commentary of the Qur'an) but also wrote a history of the world (tarikh) from the Islamic worldview. Published in English as ''The History of al-Tabari'' (SUNY Press, NY) in 39 volumes, this work presents world history from the creation account up until al-Tabari's death. When we consult al-Tabari's tarikh we find the source of Muhammad's view of women.

When God created Adam and Eve and placed them in the garden, they were told to not eat of a certain tree. Eve was tempted by Iblis (Satan) to eat of the tree, and she then gave some to Adam to eat also. Adam and Eve try to flee from God because of shame after their private parts were exposed. From this act of disobedience of Eve came God's curse on women.

{{Quote|{{Tabari|1|pp. 280-281}}|His Lord called out to him: Adam, is it from Me that you are fleeing? Adam replied: No, my Lord, but I feel shame before You. When God asked what had caused his trouble, he replied: Eve, My Lord. Whereupon God said: Now it is My obligation to make her bleed once every month, as she made this tree bleed. '''I also must make her stupid, although I created her intelligent''' ''(halimah),'' and must make her suffer pregnancy. Ibn Zayd continued: '''Were it not for the affliction that affected Eve, the women of this world wound not menstruate, and they would be intelligent''' and, when pregnant, give birth easily.}}

In a lecture delivered by Saudi cleric Abd Al-Aziz Al-Fawzan, which aired on Al-Majd TV (June 11, 2007), he responds to the criticism made by 'enemies' of Islam against Muhammad's "women are deficient" statement by confirming the account found in Tabari:

{{Quote|[http://www.memri.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/350/1483.htm Husbands Should Put Up with Their Wives' Slips and Errors, Because the Twisted Nature of Women Stems from Their Very Creation] MEMRI TV, Clip No. 1483, Broadcast: June 11, 2007|The Prophet '''Muhammad said about women: "I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you'''. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you," and so on. This hadith and others like it were misunderstood by the ignorant. Corrupt people interpreted it in a way that differs from its original intent. Because of their ignorance, their insolence, their stupidity, and because of their enmity towards Islam and Muslims, they turned this hadith into evidence that Islam disgraces women, diminishing her value, and describes her in inadequate terms. . . . 
These hadiths provide some of the most decisive evidence that Islam protects women and guarantees their rights. Islam has surrounded the woman with a fence of compassion and mercy. '''It has shown that the twisted nature of women stems from their very creation. This is how Allah wanted woman to be.''' Therefore, the husband must adapt himself to her and be patient with her. He should not giver her too many things to do, or things that she is incapable of doing. '''He should not make her do anything that is contrary to her nature, and to the way she was created by Allah'''. In addition, '''he should turn a blind eye to her mistakes, he should tolerate her slips and errors, and put up with all the silly ignorant things she might say, because this constitutes part of the nature of her creation'''. In addition, women have surging emotions, which in some cases, might overpower their minds. The weakness with which women were created is the secret behind their attractiveness and appeal to their husbands. It is the source of women's seduction of men, and one of the elements strengthening the bond between husband and wife. This is one of the wondrous miracles of Allah: The strength of a woman lies in her weakness. Her power of seduction and appeal lie in her emotions, which might overpower her mind at times. . . . 
Both husband and wife should satisfy their spouse's natural urges, and should try to gratify their desires, as long as nothing prevents this. This is why the Prophet said: "When a man calls his wife to fulfill his needs, she must go to him, even if she is busy with the oven." Imagine this: There is fire in the oven, and she wants to bake bread. But even if she's busy with this work that cannot be neglected, when he calls her, she must leave the oven and go to her husband. Another hadith says: "She must go to him, even if she is on the back of a camel." She must go to him, even if she is riding.}}

===Qur'an 43:18===

{{quote | {{Quran|43|18|}}|

'''Yusuf Ali:''' What! has He taken daughters out of what He himself creates, and granted to you sons for choice? When news is brought to one of them of (the birth of) what he sets up as a likeness to (Allah) Most Gracious, his face darkens, and he is filled with inward grief! '''Is then one brought up among trinkets, and unable to give a clear account in a dispute (to be associated with Allah)?''' And they make into females angels who themselves serve Allah. Did they witness their creation? Their evidence will be recorded, and they will be called to account!

'''Pickthal:''' Or chooseth He daughters of all that He hath created, and honoureth He you with sons? And if one of them hath tidings of that which he likeneth to the Beneficent One, his countenance becometh black and he is full of inward rage. '''(Liken they then to Allah) that which is bred up in outward show, and in dispute cannot make itself plain?''' And they make the angels, who are the slaves of the Beneficent, females. Did they witness their creation? Their testimony will be recorded and they will be questioned.

'''Shakir:''' What! has He taken daughters to Himself of what He Himself creates and chosen you to have sons? And when one of them is given news of that of which he sets up as a likeness for the Beneficent Allah, his face becomes black and he is full of rage. '''What! that which is made in ornaments and which in contention is unable to make plain speech!''' And they make the angels-- them who are the servants of the Beneficent Allah-- female (divinities). What! did they witness their creation? Their evidence shall be written down and they shall be questioned.}}

It should be noted that some modern Muslim scholars interpret 43:18 as a reference to female pagan idols or that Allah is still referring to the attitude of the pagans towards women.<ref>[http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=10&ID=12885&CATE=88 Tafseer Quran 43:18: does this verse view women negatively?]</ref> However, the next verse (43:19) uses the same pattern - a statement of what the pagans believed followed by an interrogative alif (translated "What!") and then Allah's rebuttal ("did they witness their creation?"). Thus it seems more likely that in 43:18 Allah is making what he thinks is a factual counter-argument rather than using what he believes is another false notion of the pagans to contradict their belief in daughters of Allah.

==Conclusion==

The meaning of these ahadith is very clear. Prophet Muhammad "blanketed" a statement over every single woman who has ever and will ever live. Despite many creative ways to explain away the meaning and implications of these ahadith, the actual evidence cannot be denied. Muhammad clearly said that women are deficient in intelligence because, in Islam, the value of their testimony is equal to that of half a man. If the Qur'an is a book for all people for all time, then that mandate stands; thus Muhammad was referring to all women in general; and not just a specific group of women.

===Further thoughts on these ahadith===

This set of hadiths clearly show Muhammad's desire to control and make women subservient to him. He implemented every rule he could think of to keep them under the control of men and in a state of humiliation. Look at the three reasons that Muhammad lists for women being in Allah's Hell:

1. Deficient in Intelligence: The Qur'an was 'revealed' by Muhammad on behalf of his imaginary deity, Allah; thus Muhammad himself made the requirement that the testimony of two women is equal to a man. He then goes on to tell women that they will most likely end up in hell; because their intellectual deficiency, which he defined and imposed 'safeguards' against. No evidence; just "I said so!" What better way to belittle women than to continually remind them that they are 'stupid'.

2. Deficient in Religion: Again, Muhammad himself 'revealed' the entirety of Islam; its rules, regulations and requirements, rewards etc.. What better way to keep women down? Tell them your works-based religion, that they cannot perform any of these good works (praying, fasting etc..) when they are menstruating. This keeps them in a state of fear, because they have to make up for the days they were unable to be 'pious'; making them more submissive to Islam then men. Then you get Muhammad who comes along, after making this silly rule about menstruation; and tells women that most of them will end up in hell because of it. In essence, he's saying that in ''his'' religion, women will end up in hell simply for being born female.

3. Ungrateful to their Husbands: Again, Muhammad wanted his wives; and all Muslim women within his reach (in case he wanted to marry them) to be as submissive to their husbands as possible. He scares them with threats of hellfire to make them more submissive, and fearful of Allah; thereby keeping women under the thumb of their husbands.
As a result, to this day, Muslim women, and women in general, are thought of by Muslims as intellectually inferior to themselves. Perhaps this is why Muslim women especially are trying to twist the meaning of these ahadith and narrow down the testimony requirement in Quran 2:282; its either that or admit Muhammad was wrong.

{{Core Women}}
==See Also==

*[[Egypt: Female Parliament Candidate says "Women Are Deficient in Intelligence and Religion, and It Is Not Permissible for Them to Be in Authority"|Female Parliament Candidate says "Women Are Deficient in Intelligence"]]
{{Hub4|Creation|Creation}}

{{Translation-links-english|[[Недостиг на интелигентност при жените|Bulgarian]], [[ La deficienza dintelligenza delle donne|Italian]]}}

==External Links==

*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8AxTVsqhdw Islam: Women are "deficient in intelligence" (video)]
*[http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1930.htm Muslim Cleric Presents "Scientific" Proof that Women Cannot Talk and Remember Simultaneously (video)]
*[http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35888 Quran 2:282, Why does Allah mandate this Requirement?] - ''FFI Forum discussion with a Muslim regarding why two women are required to give testimony in the absence of one Man. "Just a Woman" (the Muslim) continually tries to separate the ahadith from the Qur'an verse in order to 'explain' them separately''

==References==
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Women's Intelligence and the Islamic Tradition

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Sauron: /* Further thoughts on these ahadith */ Muhammad didn't hate women. He is more of someone who wants to control them

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The [[Islam|Islamic]] tradition from the [[Hadith]] and later material agrees on the general supposition that women are inferior in intelligence vis-a-vis men. That all [[Islam and Women|women]] are [[Creation|created]] less intelligent than their male counterparts is used as an explanation for several Islamic doctrines and rules of jurisprudence, including the belief that women make up the majority of the denizens of [[jahannam|Hell]] and the lower value of a woman's testimony against a man's in Islamic [[Shari'ah]] courts.

==Introduction==

According to the Hadith, the Prophet [[Muhammad|Muhammad's]] once declared that the majority of the inhabitants of [[Hell]] are women.<ref>{{Bukhari|1|6|301}}</ref> When asked why, he said it was because they are deficient in intelligence and religion, and because they are ungrateful to their husbands. The Hadith clearly presents Muhammad's belief as being that ''all'' women are less intelligent than their male counterparts; the traditional Islamic view is that this deficiency was not mitigated or qualified in any way be the prophet.

==Primary Sources==

===Ahadith evidence===

{{quote | {{Bukhari|1|6|301}}|

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. '''I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you.''' A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, '''"Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?"''' They replied in the affirmative. '''He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence.''' Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion." }}

{{quote | {{Bukhari|2|24|541}}|

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri

On 'Id ul Fitr or 'Id ul Adha Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) went out to the Musalla. After finishing the prayer, he delivered the sermon and ordered the people to give alms. He said, "O people! Give alms." Then he went towards the women and said. "O women! Give alms, for I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were you (women)." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the reason for it?" He replied, "O women! You curse frequently, and are ungrateful to your husbands. '''I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. O women,''' some of you can lead a cautious wise man astray." Then he left. And when he reached his house, Zainab, the wife of Ibn Masud, came and asked permission to enter It was said, "O Allah's Apostle! It is Zainab." He asked, 'Which Zainab?" The reply was that she was the wife of Ibn Mas'ub. He said, "Yes, allow her to enter." And she was admitted. Then she said, "O Prophet of Allah! Today you ordered people to give alms and I had an ornament and intended to give it as alms, but Ibn Masud said that he and his children deserved it more than anybody else." The Prophet replied, "Ibn Masud had spoken the truth. Your husband and your children had more right to it than anybody else." }}

{{quote | {{Bukhari|3|48|826}}|

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri

The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind." }}

===Qur'an evidence===

{{quote | {{Quran|2|282|}}|

'''Yusuf Ali:''' O ye who believe! When ye deal with each other, in transactions involving future obligations in a fixed period of time, reduce them to writing Let a scribe write down faithfully as between the parties: let not the scribe refuse to write: as Allah Has taught him, so let him write. Let him who incurs the liability dictate, but let him fear His Lord Allah, and not diminish aught of what he owes. If they party liable is mentally deficient, or weak, or unable Himself to dictate, Let his guardian dictate faithfully, and get two witnesses, out of your own men, '''and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her.''' The witnesses should not refuse when they are called on (For evidence). Disdain not to reduce to writing (your contract) for a future period, whether it be small or big: it is juster in the sight of Allah, More suitable as evidence, and more convenient to prevent doubts among yourselves but if it be a transaction which ye carry out on the spot among yourselves, there is no blame on you if ye reduce it not to writing. But take witness whenever ye make a commercial contract; and let neither scribe nor witness suffer harm. If ye do (such harm), it would be wickedness in you. So fear Allah; For it is Good that teaches you. And Allah is well acquainted with all things. If ye are on a journey, and cannot find a scribe, a pledge with possession (may serve the purpose). And if one of you deposits a thing on trust with another, let the trustee (faithfully) discharge his trust, and let him Fear his Lord conceal not evidence; for whoever conceals it, - his heart is tainted with sin. And Allah knoweth all that ye do.

'''Pickthal:''' O ye who believe! When ye contract a debt for a fixed term, record it in writing. Let a scribe record it in writing between you in (terms of) equity. No scribe should refuse to write as Allah hath taught him, so let him write, and let him who incurreth the debt dictate, and let him observe his duty to Allah his Lord, and diminish naught thereof. But if he who oweth the debt is of low understanding, or weak, or unable himself to dictate, then let the guardian of his interests dictate in (terms of) equity. And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. '''And if two men be not (at hand) then a man and two women, of such as ye approve as witnesses, so that if the one erreth (through forgetfulness) the other will remember.''' And the witnesses must not refuse when they are summoned. Be not averse to writing down (the contract) whether it be small or great, with (record of) the term thereof. That is more equitable in the sight of Allah and more sure for testimony, and the best way of avoiding doubt between you; save only in the case when it is actual merchandise which ye transfer among yourselves from hand to hand. In that case it is no sin for you if ye write it not. And have witnesses when ye sell one to another, and let no harm be done to scribe or witness. If ye do (harm to them) lo! it is a sin in you. Observe your duty to Allah. Allah is teaching you. And Allah is knower of all things.

'''Shakir:''' O you who believe! when you deal with each other in contracting a debt for a fixed time, then write it down; and let a scribe write it down between you with fairness; and the scribe should not refuse to write as Allah has taught him, so he should write; and let him who owes the debt dictate, and he should be careful of (his duty to) Allah, his Lord, and not diminish anything from it; but if he who owes the debt is unsound in understanding, or weak, or (if) he is not able to dictate himself, let his guardian dictate with fairness; and call in to witness from among your men two witnesses; '''but if there are not two men, then one man and two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses, so that if one of the two errs, the second of the two may remind the other'''; and the witnesses should not refuse when they are summoned; and be not averse to writing it (whether it is) small or large, with the time of its falling due; this is more equitable in the sight of Allah and assures greater accuracy in testimony, and the nearest (way) that you may not entertain doubts (afterwards), except when it is ready merchandise which you give and take among yourselves from hand to hand, then there is no blame on you in not writing it down; and have witnesses when you barter with one another, and let no harm be done to the scribe or to the witness; and if you do (it) then surely it will be a transgression in you, and be careful of (your duty) to Allah, Allah teaches you, and Allah knows all things}}

==Apologetic Claims==

===Muhammad was referring to that specific group of women only===

Here is a video from Rasha Al-Disuqi, a West Coast based professor, author, and activist.<ref>[http://www.sharaaz.com/index.php3?menu=describe&table=Book&cat=Books&id=4275&associate= Book review and Profile of Rasha al-Disuqi]</ref> Her topic was "Rights of Muslim women and their rights in society".

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In the above video she makes two claims:

===="Not a blanket statement for all Women"====

{{quote || That hadith was said at a specific time, during a specific situation, addressing a specific group and it was not meant to be as a blanket statement.}}

There is absolutely no evidence that Muhammad's statements in the ahadith were directed at that specific group of women because:

1. Muhammad's sole piece of evidence for this statement is Allah's mandate in ''Qur'an 2:282'' which states that two women are required to give evidence in the absence of a man; this is to say that the testimony of one woman is equal to 1/2 of a man's testimony. Nowhere in that verse does it say "This is for the women of Muhammad's time" or "this is only for a specific group of women." If the Qur'an is a book for all time, then the testimony of a woman is ''always'' the equivalent of 1/2 a man's testimony in Islam. Therefore, for Muhammad to use this as evidence as to the deficiency of a woman's mind ''proves'' that it was a "blanket statement" over all women who have and will ever live.

2. In the same hadith (not the partial one) Muhammad tells the women that they are also ''deficient in religion''. Islam is very much a works-based religion; every day of fasting 'counts' for your reward in heaven, every prayer, every 'good deed' (as outlined in the Qur'an). Since women are not allowed to pray or fast during their menses, this means that a woman doing every 'good deed' she is able to do, and a man doing every 'good deed' they are able to, will result in the man receiving a higher reward from Allah because he was able to do more religious deeds than the female.

Do we also apply the "This was only for that specific group of Women" answer to Muhammad's claim that women are also deficient in religion? Are women suddenly allowed to fast and pray when they are menstruating? We know they aren't; so why should we apply one part of the hadith to that specific group of women when the second claim is clearly referring to all Muslim Women?

3. Muhammad said "The majority of the dwellers of Hellfire are Women." If these ahadith refer only to that group of women, then that group must have been extremely large. Think about how many women have and will exist on this earth throughout time. Now, the ''majority'' of the people in Hell are supposedly from this one group of Women that Muhammad was addressing? Where then are the pagans, the atheists, Christians, Jews and hypocritical Muslims? Where are the men? How ''big'' was this group of women?

Muhammad was clearly making a blanket statement about ''all'' women.

====Scans of male and female brains prove it was only for that group====

{{quote ||Look at an X-RAY or MRI for that matter, you'll find that both [male and female] brains are the same; why should they be deficient in any way?

Women who are smarter, more intellectual in many fields. '''THAT argument''' [ that Muhammad was referring to all women ] '''is a failure.'''}}

This argument is illogical: ''because'' modern science has shown us that there is no 'deficiency' in a female brain, then Muhammad could not have been referring to every woman. This argument ignores the evidence in favor of a more palatable interpretation. The fact is, modern science and common sense prove Muhammad's statements to be incorrect. They do not prove that Muhammad was referring to a specific group of women only; merely that Muhammad was wrong in making a blanket statement.

Rasha then shoots herself in the foot by proving in one short sentence that Muhammad ''was'' wrong; she herself knows that women are not stupid; that they are equal to, or excel men in many fields. But, in order to remain under the influence of someone who called her 'deficient' , she must use current knowledge in order to 'spin' Muhammad's words. In essence, when she says "That argument is a failure" she is acknowledging that Muhammad was completely wrong to make such a claim.

===Muhammad was using hyperbole to scare women into giving alms===

{{quote ||But the Prophet (peace be upon him) was also being playful in his use of strong terms to impress this teaching on the listeners. Ruqayyah Waris Maqsud writes, “After the Farewell Pilgrimage at the Eid prayer, the Prophet walked past the men leaning on Bilal's arm, and came to the rows of women behind them. Bilal spread out a cloth and the Prophet urged the women to be generous with their gifts of charity, for when he had been allowed a glimpse into the flames of Hell, he had noted that most of the people being tormented there were women.

The women were outraged, and one of them instantly stood up boldly and demanded to know why that was so.
'Because,' he replied, 'you women grumble so much, and show ingratitude to your husbands! Even if the poor fellows spent all their lives doing good things for you, you have only to be upset at the least thing and you will say, 'I have never received any good from you!' (Bukhari 1.28, recorded by Ibn Abbas - who was present on that occasion as a child).

At that the women began vigorously to pull off their rings and ear-rings, and throw them into Bilal's cloth.”}}

This is a very disingenuous presentation of evidence. This interpretation attempts to draw together two different sets of ahadith and present them as the same event. The first set is provided above. Here are the ones for this specific interpretation:

{{quote | {{Muslim|4|1923}}|

Ibn 'Abbas reported: I participated in the Fitr prayer with the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and Abu Bakr, 'Umar and 'Uthman, and all of them observed this prayer before the Khutba, and then he (the Holy Prophet) delivered the sermon. Then the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) descended (from the pulpit) and I (perceive) as if I am seeing him as he is commanding people with his hand to sit down. He then made his way through their (assembly) till he came to the women. Bilal was with him. He then recited (this verse): O Prophet, when believing women come to thee giving thee a pledge that they will not associate aught with Allah" (lx. 12) till he finished (his address to) them and then said: Do you conform to it (what has been described in the verse)? Only one woman among them replied: Yes, Apostle of Allah, but none else replied. He (the narrator) said: It could not be ascertained who actually she was. He (the Holy Prophet) exhorted them to give alms. Bilal stretched his cloth and then said: Come forward with alms. Let my father and mother be taken as ransom for you. And they began to throw rings and ringlets in the cloth of Bilal.}}

{{quote | {{Muslim|4|1924}}|

Ibn 'Abbas reported: I bear testimony to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) offering prayer before Kutba. He (after saying prayer) delivered the Kutba, and he found that the women could not hear it, so he came to them and exhorted them and preached them and commanded them to give alms, and Bilal had stretched his cloth and the women were throwing rings, earrings and other things. This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Ayyub with the same chain of transmitters.}}

{{quote | {{Muslim|4|1926}}|

Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: I observed prayer with the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) on the 'Id day. He commenced with prayer before the sermon without Adhan and Iqama. He then stood up leaning on Bilal, and he commanded (them) to be on guard (against evil for the sake of) Allah, and he exhorted (them) on obedience to Him, and he preached to the people and admonished them. He then walked on till he came to the women and preached to them and admonished them, and asked them to give alms, for most of them are the fuel for Hell. A woman having a dark spot on the cheek stood up and said: Why is it so, Messenger of Allah? He said: For you grumble often and show ingratitude to your spouse. And then they began to give alms out of their ornaments such as their earrings and rings which they threw on to the cloth of Bilal.}}

It is true that Muhammad approached the women after prayer in both sets of ahadith; and that he asked them to give alms. However we note in the second set, not even once, does Muhammad make the same claims about Women's intelligence or religion. He merely states that women are ''ungrateful'' in an effort to goad them into giving more charity. If these ahadith were narrations of the same event, you would expect a mention of intelligence or religion.

Even if this explanation was right, it still doesn't explain why Muhammad called women deficient in intelligence, and then directed them to the mandate in Qur'an 2:282 as evidence for this deficiency. If his aim was simply to get them to donate more money, surely a threat of hellfire and calling them ungrateful would have sufficed for his purpose; and evidently it did.

Muhammad also knew that Hellfire was a great motivator to his followers; once he found a threat that worked, he milked it for all it was worth. Because of the discrepancies between the two sets of narrations, we can conclude that the two sets of narrations are from separate events; and that Muhammad simply re-used a scare tactic in order to get what he wanted.

===Deficiency is only about giving financial testimony===

{{quote ||Muhammad did say women are deficient in Intelligence. However, since his evidence was Quran 2:282, Muhammad was only referring to the deficiency of women when giving testimony for financial transactions.}}

Qur'an 2:282 states that the second female witness is required (in lieu of a man) because the first woman may forget; therefore the second can remind her. This implies that women have bad memories and are prone, more so then men, to forget details. On first look, this explanation looks quite reasonable; however in the ahadith, Muhammad did not specify that the testimony of women, ''in financial cases only'' was the cause of their intelligence defects. If this were truly only about testimony for financial cases, then Muhammad would have specified this. His statement "Isn't it true that ''the'' testimony of two women is equal to that of a man" strongly implies that two female witnesses are required for any type of testimony; and in no way implies that it is for financial testimony only.

After all, if ''this'' is the deficiency in her intelligence; then Muhammad is clearly referring to the fact that Allah believes that women have bad memories; and ''this'' is the reason a woman is deficient.

===Muhammad was joking===

{{quote ||Muhammad knew that group of women very well, and as he would pass by them he would joke around with them. When he said that they were deficient in Intelligence and Religion he was joking around. They understood this.}}

This is one of the most bizarre claims we've come across regarding these ahadith. When asked for evidence, the claimant is unable to do so. In any case, there is absolutely no evidence in the ahadith or elsewhere that this was an 'in joke' between Muhammad and these women.

Muhammad also backs up these "jokes" with reference to the Qur'an, which he'd obviously take very seriously as the alleged prophet.

==Further Evidence==

===Al-Tabari's Tarikh===

In the discussion thus far we have presented [[Sahih]] ahadith attributed to Muhammad and have demonstrated each hadith was intended to be applied to all women for all time. We have seen Muslims attempt to explain away this assertion and argue that the ahadith applied only to certain women or particular situations, and did not apply to all women for all time. Which is the truth? What is the original source of Muhammad's view of women; where did it originate from?

Abu Jafar Muhammad bin Jarir al-Tabari is recognized as one of the greatest of all Islamic scholars. He not only wrote one of the most authoritative Tafsir (commentary of the Qur'an) but also wrote a history of the world (tarikh) from the Islamic worldview. Published in English as ''The History of al-Tabari'' (SUNY Press, NY) in 39 volumes, this work presents world history from the creation account up until al-Tabari's death. When we consult al-Tabari's tarikh we find the source of Muhammad's view of women.

When God created Adam and Eve and placed them in the garden, they were told to not eat of a certain tree. Eve was tempted by Iblis (Satan) to eat of the tree, and she then gave some to Adam to eat also. Adam and Eve try to flee from God because of shame after their private parts were exposed. From this act of disobedience of Eve came God's curse on women.

{{Quote|{{Tabari|1|pp. 280-281}}|His Lord called out to him: Adam, is it from Me that you are fleeing? Adam replied: No, my Lord, but I feel shame before You. When God asked what had caused his trouble, he replied: Eve, My Lord. Whereupon God said: Now it is My obligation to make her bleed once every month, as she made this tree bleed. '''I also must make her stupid, although I created her intelligent''' ''(halimah),'' and must make her suffer pregnancy. Ibn Zayd continued: '''Were it not for the affliction that affected Eve, the women of this world wound not menstruate, and they would be intelligent''' and, when pregnant, give birth easily.}}

In a lecture delivered by Saudi cleric Abd Al-Aziz Al-Fawzan, which aired on Al-Majd TV (June 11, 2007), he responds to the criticism made by 'enemies' of Islam against Muhammad's "women are deficient" statement by confirming the account found in Tabari:

{{Quote|[http://www.memri.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/350/1483.htm Husbands Should Put Up with Their Wives' Slips and Errors, Because the Twisted Nature of Women Stems from Their Very Creation] MEMRI TV, Clip No. 1483, Broadcast: June 11, 2007|The Prophet '''Muhammad said about women: "I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you'''. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you," and so on. This hadith and others like it were misunderstood by the ignorant. Corrupt people interpreted it in a way that differs from its original intent. Because of their ignorance, their insolence, their stupidity, and because of their enmity towards Islam and Muslims, they turned this hadith into evidence that Islam disgraces women, diminishing her value, and describes her in inadequate terms. . . . 
These hadiths provide some of the most decisive evidence that Islam protects women and guarantees their rights. Islam has surrounded the woman with a fence of compassion and mercy. '''It has shown that the twisted nature of women stems from their very creation. This is how Allah wanted woman to be.''' Therefore, the husband must adapt himself to her and be patient with her. He should not giver her too many things to do, or things that she is incapable of doing. '''He should not make her do anything that is contrary to her nature, and to the way she was created by Allah'''. In addition, '''he should turn a blind eye to her mistakes, he should tolerate her slips and errors, and put up with all the silly ignorant things she might say, because this constitutes part of the nature of her creation'''. In addition, women have surging emotions, which in some cases, might overpower their minds. The weakness with which women were created is the secret behind their attractiveness and appeal to their husbands. It is the source of women's seduction of men, and one of the elements strengthening the bond between husband and wife. This is one of the wondrous miracles of Allah: The strength of a woman lies in her weakness. Her power of seduction and appeal lie in her emotions, which might overpower her mind at times. . . . 
Both husband and wife should satisfy their spouse's natural urges, and should try to gratify their desires, as long as nothing prevents this. This is why the Prophet said: "When a man calls his wife to fulfill his needs, she must go to him, even if she is busy with the oven." Imagine this: There is fire in the oven, and she wants to bake bread. But even if she's busy with this work that cannot be neglected, when he calls her, she must leave the oven and go to her husband. Another hadith says: "She must go to him, even if she is on the back of a camel." She must go to him, even if she is riding.}}

===Qur'an 43:18===

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'''Yusuf Ali:''' What! has He taken daughters out of what He himself creates, and granted to you sons for choice? When news is brought to one of them of (the birth of) what he sets up as a likeness to (Allah) Most Gracious, his face darkens, and he is filled with inward grief! '''Is then one brought up among trinkets, and unable to give a clear account in a dispute (to be associated with Allah)?''' And they make into females angels who themselves serve Allah. Did they witness their creation? Their evidence will be recorded, and they will be called to account!

'''Pickthal:''' Or chooseth He daughters of all that He hath created, and honoureth He you with sons? And if one of them hath tidings of that which he likeneth to the Beneficent One, his countenance becometh black and he is full of inward rage. '''(Liken they then to Allah) that which is bred up in outward show, and in dispute cannot make itself plain?''' And they make the angels, who are the slaves of the Beneficent, females. Did they witness their creation? Their testimony will be recorded and they will be questioned.

'''Shakir:''' What! has He taken daughters to Himself of what He Himself creates and chosen you to have sons? And when one of them is given news of that of which he sets up as a likeness for the Beneficent Allah, his face becomes black and he is full of rage. '''What! that which is made in ornaments and which in contention is unable to make plain speech!''' And they make the angels-- them who are the servants of the Beneficent Allah-- female (divinities). What! did they witness their creation? Their evidence shall be written down and they shall be questioned.}}

It should be noted that some modern Muslim scholars interpret 43:18 as a reference to female pagan idols or that Allah is still referring to the attitude of the pagans towards women.<ref>[http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=10&ID=12885&CATE=88 Tafseer Quran 43:18: does this verse view women negatively?]</ref> However, the next verse (43:19) uses the same pattern - a statement of what the pagans believed followed by an interrogative alif (translated "What!") and then Allah's rebuttal ("did they witness their creation?"). Thus it seems more likely that in 43:18 Allah is making what he thinks is a factual counter-argument rather than using what he believes is another false notion of the pagans to contradict their belief in daughters of Allah.

==Conclusion==

The meaning of these ahadith is very clear. Prophet Muhammad "blanketed" a statement over every single woman who has ever and will ever live. Despite many creative ways to explain away the meaning and implications of these ahadith, the actual evidence cannot be denied. Muhammad clearly said that women are deficient in intelligence because, in Islam, the value of their testimony is equal to that of half a man. If the Qur'an is a book for all people for all time, then that mandate stands; thus Muhammad was referring to all women in general; and not just a specific group of women.

===Further thoughts on these ahadith===

This set of hadiths clearly show Muhammad's desire to control women. He implemented every rule he could think of to keep them under the control of men and in a state of humiliation. Look at the three reasons that Muhammad lists for women being in Allah's Hell:

1. Deficient in Intelligence: The Qur'an was 'revealed' by Muhammad on behalf of his imaginary deity, Allah; thus Muhammad himself made the requirement that the testimony of two women is equal to a man. He then goes on to tell women that they will most likely end up in hell; because their intellectual deficiency, which he defined and imposed 'safeguards' against. No evidence; just "I said so!" What better way to belittle women than to continually remind them that they are 'stupid'.

2. Deficient in Religion: Again, Muhammad himself 'revealed' the entirety of Islam; its rules, regulations and requirements, rewards etc.. What better way to keep women down? Tell them your works-based religion, that they cannot perform any of these good works (praying, fasting etc..) when they are menstruating. This keeps them in a state of fear, because they have to make up for the days they were unable to be 'pious'; making them more submissive to Islam then men. Then you get Muhammad who comes along, after making this silly rule about menstruation; and tells women that most of them will end up in hell because of it. In essence, he's saying that in ''his'' religion, women will end up in hell simply for being born female.

3. Ungrateful to their Husbands: Again, Muhammad wanted his wives; and all Muslim women within his reach (in case he wanted to marry them) to be as submissive to their husbands as possible. He scares them with threats of hellfire to make them more submissive, and fearful of Allah; thereby keeping women under the thumb of their husbands.
As a result, to this day, Muslim women, and women in general, are thought of by Muslims as intellectually inferior to themselves. Perhaps this is why Muslim women especially are trying to twist the meaning of these ahadith and narrow down the testimony requirement in Quran 2:282; its either that or admit Muhammad was wrong.

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==See Also==

*[[Egypt: Female Parliament Candidate says "Women Are Deficient in Intelligence and Religion, and It Is Not Permissible for Them to Be in Authority"|Female Parliament Candidate says "Women Are Deficient in Intelligence"]]
{{Hub4|Creation|Creation}}

{{Translation-links-english|[[Недостиг на интелигентност при жените|Bulgarian]], [[ La deficienza dintelligenza delle donne|Italian]]}}

==External Links==

*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8AxTVsqhdw Islam: Women are "deficient in intelligence" (video)]
*[http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1930.htm Muslim Cleric Presents "Scientific" Proof that Women Cannot Talk and Remember Simultaneously (video)]
*[http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35888 Quran 2:282, Why does Allah mandate this Requirement?] - ''FFI Forum discussion with a Muslim regarding why two women are required to give testimony in the absence of one Man. "Just a Woman" (the Muslim) continually tries to separate the ahadith from the Qur'an verse in order to 'explain' them separately''

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According to the Islamic historical narrative, the prophet's carrier had two distinct phases, one in Mecca, where his preaching was characterized by a message of peaceful coexistence with the unbelievers combined with preaching on the nature of their sin, [[shirk]], combined with warning of hell fire, and a second phase in Medina, where he was as much of a military figure leading a campaign of conquest as a religious preacher. As such, the scholars have classified the verses of the [[Qur'an]] into "Meccan" and "Medinian" verses. The Meccan verses show a strong impulse to pacifism and peaceful coexistence. This contrasts markedly with later "Medinian" verses such as the sword verse, which extol the believers to [[Jihad]] against the unbelievers. According to the doctrine of [[naskh]], since the Meccan verses came to Muhammad first, they are abrogated or cancelled by the later Medinian verses when the two contradict one another. Thus "to you your religion, to me a religion" (Qur'an 109:6) is cancelled by the sword verse "fight and slay the polytheists (literally, those guilty of [[shirk]]) wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)" (Qur'an 9:5).

==Qur'an==
====Invite non-Believers to Islam by preaching to them.====
{{quote | {{cite quran|16|125|end=126|style=ref}} |
Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.
 
And if ye do catch them out, catch them out no worse than they catch you out: But if ye show patience, that is indeed the best (course) for those who are patient.}}

====Do not readily retaliate when attacked, since Allah will have the evil people destroy themselves.====
{{quote | {{cite quran|19|83|end=84|style=ref}} |
Seest thou not that We have set the Evil Ones on against the unbelievers, to incite them with fury? 
So make no haste against them, for We but count out to them a (limited) number (of days).}}

====Be patient with the evil words that are said by people.====
{{quote | {{cite quran|20|129|end=130|style=ref}} |
Had it not been for a Word that went forth before from thy Lord, (their punishment) must necessarily have come; but there is a Term appointed (for respite).
 
Therefore be patient with what they say, and celebrate (constantly) the praises of thy Lord, before the rising of the sun, and before its setting; yea, celebrate them for part of the hours of the night, and at the sides of the day: that thou mayest have (spiritual) joy.|See also: {{Quran-range|38|15|17}}}}

====Be patient and let the non-Muslims see that Islam is the true religion.====
{{quote | {{cite quran|20|134|end=135|style=ref}} |
And if We had inflicted on them a penalty before this, they would have said: "Our Lord! If only Thou hadst sent us a messenger, we should certainly have followed Thy Signs before we were humbled and put to shame."
 
Say: "Each one (of us) is waiting: wait ye, therefore, and soon shall ye know who it is that is on the straight and even way, and who it is that has received Guidance."}}

====Turn away from those who reject Islam and say "Peace" to them.====
{{quote | {{cite quran|43|88|end=89|style=ref}} |
(Allah has knowledge) of the (Prophet's) cry, "O my Lord! Truly these are people who will not believe!"
 
But turn away from them, and say "Peace!" But soon shall they know! }}

====Non-Muslims shall have their religion and Muslims shall have their religion.====
{{quote | {{cite quran|109|1|end=6|style=ref}} |
Say : O ye that reject Faith!
 
I worship not that which ye worship,
 
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
 
And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
 
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
 
To you be your Way, and to me mine.}}

==See Also==

{{Hub4|Jihad (Primary Sources)|Jihad (Primary Sources)}}

[[Category:QHS]]
[[Category:Jihad]]

User talk:Sauron

2021-02-09T06:02:38Z

Sauron: /* List of Muhammad's Wives and Concubines (2021) */

==[https://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Muhammads_Wives_and_Concubines List of Muhammad's Wives and Concubines (2021)]==

Hey Sauran, good catch regarding the lack of strong references for Muhammad's marriage to Mary etc. in the hereafter. There are, however, other hadiths of varying authenticity to this effect (compiled, for instance starting in [https://app.turath.io/book/4445 volume 2 page 431 of Ibn Kathir's ''al-Bidayah wal-Nihayah'']). I think that the sections for the three women should be left in the article and that it should be indicated clearly that there are no references to these ideas in 'authentic Islamic sources' as well as the fact that the idea plainly did crop up in the tradition nonetheless (and especially, as with the source you discussed with Axius, in the Shia tradition). Perhaps you can incorporate this nuance into the relevant sections rather than trying to delete them altogether; how does that sound? There are varying shades of certainty as to what comprises Islam, and this issue is of a clearly a less certain shade than, for instance, the prophethood of Muhammad. We can and should still cover topics having lesser shades of certainty, especially where they are interesting (as here), but must also acknowledge their inferior position in the tradition, as you pointed out. [[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 18:07, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

I agree probably best to just delete the sources that do not support the argument and just leave the ones that do. (Sauron)
: Yes, although some of those sources are still good for the claim that these women 'were perfect' - but these footnotes/references should just appear in the cell containing the body text, not in the right-most cell, which purports to contain the reference for their relationships to Muhammad. I'll make some basic edits to this effect which you can add to later, if you'd like. Thanks again for bringing this up - it is important that the wiki does not contain false/misleading claims. [[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 21:53, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
: I updated the page with proper referencing and nuanced the claims. [[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 22:50, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you IbnPinker.(Sauron)

==[https://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Muhammads_Wives_and_Concubines#cite_note-92 List of Muhammad's Wives and Concubines]==

Hayat Al-Qulub Vol. 2, (pg 415) the 4th mentioned reference which you did not read, says:

:"“Who are they?” she inquired. '''''He replied''''', “Maryam, daughter of Imran, Kulthum, sister of Musa, '''''Asiya wife of Firon''''', all of whom, with yourself, '''''will be my wives in Paradise'''.”''
''
Please see our [[FAQ]]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 18:39, 17 January 2016 (EST)

How could anyone based islamic facts on one work by a twelver shia cleric that 90% of muslims deemed heretic? Muhammad Baqir Majlisi lived from 1616–1698 AD. The year which he lived is also so far away than bukhari/muslim/ibn sa'ad/ibnu hisham/ibnu ishaq. I wanted to share this page but then people would just laugh at me because the article used a truly fringe group's work as facts. You could state there/separate shia and sunni cleric's work. On top of that, no one in the early muslims community ever made the claim that Mr. Majlisi made.
:That is your claim that the certain text you want to remove belongs to a minority sect of Islam. Secondly even if the source is of a minority sect, the sources for all sects are used and accepted for criticism of Islam, because they are part of Islam. A sunni muslim will say they dont accept Shia sources and verse versa so if critics of Islam care about that, there will be no criticism in the end to talk about.
:Third, about the author of the book:
::''He has been described as "one of the most powerful and influential Shi'a ulema of all time",''
:Shia are 10% of the Muslim population and an important part as I mentioned.
:I bet there are other multiple sources for that information.
:Lastly whether or not Muhammad said that Queen Asiya will be his wife in Islamic heaven is a very minor issue compared to the bigger issues in Islam which WikiIslam talks about. I suggest you start clicking around and browsing through the pages. You can start with the [[QHS]] series or any of the [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Category:Core_Article Core articles] on the left.
:If you want to debate about Islam there are many forums on the internet. Some are mentioned here [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Resources_for_Former_Muslims#Other_Forums] Here's just one: [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/ FFI forum]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 18:14, 19 January 2016 (EST)

Thanks for the reply. My critic is purely academic. I am an ex-muslim and wikiislam is actually the best critical source i have found on islam. Still i would say adding a bracket(shia) information would probably be helpful. Also maybe could remove the sahih bukhari and muslim citation because it doesn't have anything to do with god marrying him to the girls.
: I dont know if you're an ex-Muslim or not, but you [https://wikiislam.net/index.php?title=List_of_Muhammads_Wives_and_Concubines&diff=113689&oldid=113651 removed] sourced information from the page twice and that is vandalism.
:Academically, ''all sources are all part of Islam'' and should be treated as such. As I said we cannot remove sourced text and we cannot start adding shia or Sunni or all the other sects of Islam to all the content.
:Are you having difficult debating with people about the topic? Its easy. Tell them the same thing I told you. All sources of Islam can be used for criticism of Islam. It is valid information and cannot be rejected simply because its found in one sect of Islam.
:The Quran doesnt say that all other sects of Islam are invalid, or anything like that. Does it? So what is your basis for asking to remove text from a Shite source?
:Also Majlisi is a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Baqir_Majlisi Shite] source. Why did you call it Ahmadiya in your edit history? Please respond to that.
:The other information/hadiths contain the other information that is mentioned in the piece of text. It all goes together.
:Basically again, you are wanting to removed sourced information from the page. We have spent enough time on this issue. As I pointed out its all sourced the fact that Muhammad said Queen Asiya will be one of his wives in heaven is a minor issue in Islam, compared to other more important issues.
:A valid criticism of this page is that the individual statements should have been sourced individually so its easy to cross-check. Thats something that you could have pointed out. If you agree, we can add it to the Tasks page. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 06:36, 20 January 2016 (EST)

I made a mistake thinking it was ahmadiyya because of the website that hosted the work. http://www.al-islam.org/ I thought it was an ahmadiyya but it was a shia website. https://www.alislam.org is an ahmadiyya website. I thought users could edit the work and the edit would then be moderated by say 10 moderators before it is approved? I am a panentheist maybe a pantheist one day but for now a panentheist. No religion, because 'God'/Nature/Zeus/Tao/whatever you want to call it already gave me Reason which is a Divine Scripture itself.

I don't think I properly understand your last statement, maybe yes i should agree. Probably only if the statement doesn't have a common theme like the ones i pointed out. The hadith points out that the 4 girls were perfect while the majlisi said god married muhammad to the girls. So, yes it shouldn't be in the same column.
:Ok.
:It would have been nice if the statements would have been individually sourced e.g. statement 1 (source 1). statement 2 (source 2). Instead its statement 1, and 2 (source 1 and 2). So its not clear what text is coming from which source. I've added it to the task list. It will be a difficult task but it would be nice if that was there. The author who wrote it suddenly saved a lot of text or else we would have told them how to do it.
:As for shia/sunni/other sects, I dont think it weakens criticism of Islam. It is up to the apologist to explain why a certain sect is invalid and they will be unable to do so as all sects think they're the most correct sect and cant offer any evidence for that claim. In reality they are equally valid (as parts of Islam and as sources for criticism) because again Quran never mentions which sect is the right one. If something is mentioned in minority sect 1, it doesnt mean it never happened. If the author is a known scholar, religious figure (like Majlisi), then it should be acceptable to use it as a source.
:People (nonbelievers of Islam in particular because they have no obligation to any sect) cannot fall into the trap of "one sect #1 is valid and everything else is invalid". --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 20:09, 20 January 2016 (EST)

Yes i agree that we could use different sects but it would still be better state the affiliation of the author(sect) so that viewers wouldn't just dismiss this website as mumbo jumbo just because there are statements that goes directly with their source/what they/their sect consider as valid. Btw, thanks.
:''"viewers wouldn't just dismiss this website as mumbo jumbo"'' - Those viewers already reject the website due to one reason or another because its critical of Islam so what they think of the website is not important.
:Tagging could be done due to other reasons but its not an easy task. People would have to decide, if its really important or not and worth doing, if its practical/beneficial, pros/cons, how to show the different sects (small super script notations e.g. how its done here [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Holy_Qur%27an:_Luqman_(Luqman)], notice the different superscript letters), which sects to show, what content is affected, how it affects translations/other language domains and so on.
:I think its a waste of time for now. There are a lot of other important things to do in our [[tasks]] page before something like this can be investigated. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 20:26, 21 January 2016 (EST)

Hi there, just wanting to know your thoughts. What is the best way to make someone learn the truth about islam? I tried to convince my brother but it seems that he always have an answer to every issues. I know that his answer was wrong but he seems to be so sure about it. I tried to rectify but he won't accept it. It seems impossible to make someone realise that this is an evil religion.
:Yes its very difficult to convince anyone about their religion of birth. You can try picking up one topic (for example evolution), become knowledgeable about it and be persistent. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 19:07, 26 January 2016 (EST)

Thank you. I'll try that. Seems pointless sometimes but yes i think maybe the best way is to focus on one topic.

== Hi ==

Are you active here? I needed some contacts from Exmna... Do you know any? [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 18:07, 11 June 2017 (EDT)

Not really active here. Sorry, yeah.

User talk:Sauron

2021-02-09T06:02:23Z

Sauron: /* List of Muhammad's Wives and Concubines (2021) */

==[https://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Muhammads_Wives_and_Concubines List of Muhammad's Wives and Concubines (2021)]==

Hey Sauran, good catch regarding the lack of strong references for Muhammad's marriage to Mary etc. in the hereafter. There are, however, other hadiths of varying authenticity to this effect (compiled, for instance starting in [https://app.turath.io/book/4445 volume 2 page 431 of Ibn Kathir's ''al-Bidayah wal-Nihayah'']). I think that the sections for the three women should be left in the article and that it should be indicated clearly that there are no references to these ideas in 'authentic Islamic sources' as well as the fact that the idea plainly did crop up in the tradition nonetheless (and especially, as with the source you discussed with Axius, in the Shia tradition). Perhaps you can incorporate this nuance into the relevant sections rather than trying to delete them altogether; how does that sound? There are varying shades of certainty as to what comprises Islam, and this issue is of a clearly a less certain shade than, for instance, the prophethood of Muhammad. We can and should still cover topics having lesser shades of certainty, especially where they are interesting (as here), but must also acknowledge their inferior position in the tradition, as you pointed out. [[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 18:07, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

I agree probably best to just delete the sources that do not support the argument and just leave the ones that do. (Sauron)
: Yes, although some of those sources are still good for the claim that these women 'were perfect' - but these footnotes/references should just appear in the cell containing the body text, not in the right-most cell, which purports to contain the reference for their relationships to Muhammad. I'll make some basic edits to this effect which you can add to later, if you'd like. Thanks again for bringing this up - it is important that the wiki does not contain false/misleading claims. [[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 21:53, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
: I updated the page with proper referencing and nuanced the claims. [[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 22:50, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you IbnPinker.

==[https://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Muhammads_Wives_and_Concubines#cite_note-92 List of Muhammad's Wives and Concubines]==

Hayat Al-Qulub Vol. 2, (pg 415) the 4th mentioned reference which you did not read, says:

:"“Who are they?” she inquired. '''''He replied''''', “Maryam, daughter of Imran, Kulthum, sister of Musa, '''''Asiya wife of Firon''''', all of whom, with yourself, '''''will be my wives in Paradise'''.”''
''
Please see our [[FAQ]]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 18:39, 17 January 2016 (EST)

How could anyone based islamic facts on one work by a twelver shia cleric that 90% of muslims deemed heretic? Muhammad Baqir Majlisi lived from 1616–1698 AD. The year which he lived is also so far away than bukhari/muslim/ibn sa'ad/ibnu hisham/ibnu ishaq. I wanted to share this page but then people would just laugh at me because the article used a truly fringe group's work as facts. You could state there/separate shia and sunni cleric's work. On top of that, no one in the early muslims community ever made the claim that Mr. Majlisi made.
:That is your claim that the certain text you want to remove belongs to a minority sect of Islam. Secondly even if the source is of a minority sect, the sources for all sects are used and accepted for criticism of Islam, because they are part of Islam. A sunni muslim will say they dont accept Shia sources and verse versa so if critics of Islam care about that, there will be no criticism in the end to talk about.
:Third, about the author of the book:
::''He has been described as "one of the most powerful and influential Shi'a ulema of all time",''
:Shia are 10% of the Muslim population and an important part as I mentioned.
:I bet there are other multiple sources for that information.
:Lastly whether or not Muhammad said that Queen Asiya will be his wife in Islamic heaven is a very minor issue compared to the bigger issues in Islam which WikiIslam talks about. I suggest you start clicking around and browsing through the pages. You can start with the [[QHS]] series or any of the [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Category:Core_Article Core articles] on the left.
:If you want to debate about Islam there are many forums on the internet. Some are mentioned here [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Resources_for_Former_Muslims#Other_Forums] Here's just one: [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/ FFI forum]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 18:14, 19 January 2016 (EST)

Thanks for the reply. My critic is purely academic. I am an ex-muslim and wikiislam is actually the best critical source i have found on islam. Still i would say adding a bracket(shia) information would probably be helpful. Also maybe could remove the sahih bukhari and muslim citation because it doesn't have anything to do with god marrying him to the girls.
: I dont know if you're an ex-Muslim or not, but you [https://wikiislam.net/index.php?title=List_of_Muhammads_Wives_and_Concubines&diff=113689&oldid=113651 removed] sourced information from the page twice and that is vandalism.
:Academically, ''all sources are all part of Islam'' and should be treated as such. As I said we cannot remove sourced text and we cannot start adding shia or Sunni or all the other sects of Islam to all the content.
:Are you having difficult debating with people about the topic? Its easy. Tell them the same thing I told you. All sources of Islam can be used for criticism of Islam. It is valid information and cannot be rejected simply because its found in one sect of Islam.
:The Quran doesnt say that all other sects of Islam are invalid, or anything like that. Does it? So what is your basis for asking to remove text from a Shite source?
:Also Majlisi is a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Baqir_Majlisi Shite] source. Why did you call it Ahmadiya in your edit history? Please respond to that.
:The other information/hadiths contain the other information that is mentioned in the piece of text. It all goes together.
:Basically again, you are wanting to removed sourced information from the page. We have spent enough time on this issue. As I pointed out its all sourced the fact that Muhammad said Queen Asiya will be one of his wives in heaven is a minor issue in Islam, compared to other more important issues.
:A valid criticism of this page is that the individual statements should have been sourced individually so its easy to cross-check. Thats something that you could have pointed out. If you agree, we can add it to the Tasks page. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 06:36, 20 January 2016 (EST)

I made a mistake thinking it was ahmadiyya because of the website that hosted the work. http://www.al-islam.org/ I thought it was an ahmadiyya but it was a shia website. https://www.alislam.org is an ahmadiyya website. I thought users could edit the work and the edit would then be moderated by say 10 moderators before it is approved? I am a panentheist maybe a pantheist one day but for now a panentheist. No religion, because 'God'/Nature/Zeus/Tao/whatever you want to call it already gave me Reason which is a Divine Scripture itself.

I don't think I properly understand your last statement, maybe yes i should agree. Probably only if the statement doesn't have a common theme like the ones i pointed out. The hadith points out that the 4 girls were perfect while the majlisi said god married muhammad to the girls. So, yes it shouldn't be in the same column.
:Ok.
:It would have been nice if the statements would have been individually sourced e.g. statement 1 (source 1). statement 2 (source 2). Instead its statement 1, and 2 (source 1 and 2). So its not clear what text is coming from which source. I've added it to the task list. It will be a difficult task but it would be nice if that was there. The author who wrote it suddenly saved a lot of text or else we would have told them how to do it.
:As for shia/sunni/other sects, I dont think it weakens criticism of Islam. It is up to the apologist to explain why a certain sect is invalid and they will be unable to do so as all sects think they're the most correct sect and cant offer any evidence for that claim. In reality they are equally valid (as parts of Islam and as sources for criticism) because again Quran never mentions which sect is the right one. If something is mentioned in minority sect 1, it doesnt mean it never happened. If the author is a known scholar, religious figure (like Majlisi), then it should be acceptable to use it as a source.
:People (nonbelievers of Islam in particular because they have no obligation to any sect) cannot fall into the trap of "one sect #1 is valid and everything else is invalid". --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 20:09, 20 January 2016 (EST)

Yes i agree that we could use different sects but it would still be better state the affiliation of the author(sect) so that viewers wouldn't just dismiss this website as mumbo jumbo just because there are statements that goes directly with their source/what they/their sect consider as valid. Btw, thanks.
:''"viewers wouldn't just dismiss this website as mumbo jumbo"'' - Those viewers already reject the website due to one reason or another because its critical of Islam so what they think of the website is not important.
:Tagging could be done due to other reasons but its not an easy task. People would have to decide, if its really important or not and worth doing, if its practical/beneficial, pros/cons, how to show the different sects (small super script notations e.g. how its done here [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Holy_Qur%27an:_Luqman_(Luqman)], notice the different superscript letters), which sects to show, what content is affected, how it affects translations/other language domains and so on.
:I think its a waste of time for now. There are a lot of other important things to do in our [[tasks]] page before something like this can be investigated. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 20:26, 21 January 2016 (EST)

Hi there, just wanting to know your thoughts. What is the best way to make someone learn the truth about islam? I tried to convince my brother but it seems that he always have an answer to every issues. I know that his answer was wrong but he seems to be so sure about it. I tried to rectify but he won't accept it. It seems impossible to make someone realise that this is an evil religion.
:Yes its very difficult to convince anyone about their religion of birth. You can try picking up one topic (for example evolution), become knowledgeable about it and be persistent. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 19:07, 26 January 2016 (EST)

Thank you. I'll try that. Seems pointless sometimes but yes i think maybe the best way is to focus on one topic.

== Hi ==

Are you active here? I needed some contacts from Exmna... Do you know any? [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 18:07, 11 June 2017 (EDT)

Not really active here. Sorry, yeah.

Convenient Revelations

2021-02-07T18:19:26Z

Sauron: /* Muhammad and Mary the Copt */

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This article discusses [[Allah|Allah's]] [[revelations]] to Prophet [[Muhammad]] that he alleged to have received from God at convenient moments during his life.There are a number of such instances in the Qur'an where there is revelation (and in the Hadith Qudsi, where Muhammad asserts that God has told him something that is not to be included in the Qur'an) concerning Muhammad as an individual. Critics have suggested that such verses would scarcely merit inclusion in a eternal document of divine importance that conceives of itself as "guidance for all of mankind".

==The Revelations==

===Multiple Wives===

Allah revealed to Muhammad that Muslim men are permitted to [[Marriage|marry]] up to four women.

{{Quote|{{Quran|4|3}}|"And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan-girls, then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (the captives and the slaves) that your right hands possess."}}

Muhammad was granted an exception in this respect to be allowed to marry an unlimited number of wives:

{{Quote|{{Quran|33|50}}|"O Prophet (Muhammad)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (captives or slaves) whom your right hand possesses -- whom God has given to you, and the daughters of your 'Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your 'Ammah (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khâl (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khâlah (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her; '''a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers'''."}}

And although Allah allowed men to marry up to four wives, Muhammad allowed only one wife for his son-in-law Ali who was married to Muhammad's daughter Fatima. When Ali desired to take a second wife, Muhammad insisted he first divorce Fatima before taking a new wife.

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|7|62|157}}|Narrated Al-Miswar bin Makhrama: 
I heard Allah's Apostle who was on the pulpit, saying, "Banu Hisham bin Al-Mughira have requested me to allow them to marry their daughter to Ali bin Abu Talib, but '''I don't give permission, and will not give permission unless 'Ali bin Abi Talib divorces my daughter in order to marry their daughter''', because Fatima is a part of my body, and I hate what she hates to see, and what hurts her, hurts me."}}

===Treating Wives Equally Well===

In the same verse noted above {{Quran|4|3}} is an injunction to treat all wives equally... " but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one...".

Muhammad initially gave each of his [[Muhammad's Wives|multiple wives]] equal attention and time with him, visiting a different wife each night. As time progressed however, he developed favorite wives who garnered more attention and affection than others. This created a great deal of tension among the ladies, and jealousy, and often rage, ensued. Muhammad then received another revelation absolving him from the earlier admonition to treat all wives as equals and deal with them justly, and allowed him to select his favorite wives according to his desire alone:

{{Quote|{{Quran|33|51}}|"'''You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive whom you will.''' And whomsoever you desire of those whom you have set aside (her turn temporarily), it is no sin on you (to receive her again), that is better; that they may be comforted and not grieved, and may all be pleased with what you give them. God knows what is in your hearts. And God is Ever All-Knowing, Most Forbearing."}}

[[Aisha]], the favorite wife of Muhammad, was expressly suspicious about this sort of revelation. After Muhammad received the verse above, Aisha commented, "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."<ref>{{Bukhari|6|60|311}}</ref>

===Marriage to Zaynab bint Jahsh===

[[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Muhammads Wives and Concubines#Zainab_bint_Jash|Zaynab]] was initially married to Zaid ibn Haritha, Muhammad's adopted son. One day Muhammad paid a visit to Zaid's house to consult with him about a matter, but he was not home. Not expecting Muhammad to be at the door, Zaynab answered the door instead, dressed in a revealing garment, and Muhammad immediately developed a carnal desire for her. When Zaid learned of the prophet's infatuation, he divorced Zaynab so Muhammad could marry her. This turned into quite a scandal among the Arabs, who equated Muhammad's actions with incest, since he married his daughter-in-law. Soon thereafter, Muhammad received this revelation:

{{Quote|{{Quran|33|37}}|And (remember) when you said to him (Zaid bin Hârithah; the freed-slave of the Prophet ) on whom God has bestowed Grace (by guiding him to Islâm) and you (O Muhammad too) have done favour (by manumitting him) "Keep your wife to yourself, and fear God." But you did hide in yourself (i.e. what God has already made known to you that He will give her to you in marriage) that which God will make manifest, you did fear the people (i.e., Muhammad married the divorced wife of his manumitted slave) whereas God had a better right that you should fear Him. '''So when Zaid had accomplished his desire from her (i.e. divorced her), We gave her to you in marriage, so that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the believers in respect of (the marriage of) the wives of their adopted sons''' when the latter have no desire to keep them (i.e. they have divorced them). And God's Command must be fulfilled.}}

===Muhammad and Mary the Copt===

As stated above, Muhammad used to take turns among his wives, visiting a different one each night. One night during the time allotted for [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Muhammads Wives and Concubines#Hafsa|Hafsa]], she had to take care of an urgent need with another family member and so was not at home. Muhammad instead had intimate relations with [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Muhammads Wives and Concubines#Mariya|Mary]], a Coptic slave that had been given to him. Muhammad was not married to Mary the Copt.{{Quote|[https://sunnah.com/nasai:3959 Sunan an-Nasa'i 3959]|It was narrated from Anas, that the Messenger of Allah had a female slave with whom he had intercourse, but 'Aishah and Hafsah would not leave him alone until he said that she was forbidden for him. Then Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed:
'''"O Prophet! Why do you forbid (for yourself) that which Allah has allowed to you.'''" until the end of the Verse.}}

When Hafsah found this out and questioned him, he promised (on oath) not to touch Mary again if she would keep this a secret, and promised that Umar and Abu Bakr should be his successors. Hafsah, however, did not keep quiet and told Aysha about this event. As a result Muhammad had no dealings with any of his wives for a full month, living with Mary alone.<ref>Gerhard Nehls & Walter Eric - [http://answering-islam.org/Nehls/tt1/tt2.html The Challenge of Islam/ Chapter II] - English Press Limited Nairobi, New Revised Edition 1996, ISBN 9966 895 16 7</ref> Aisha and Hafsa conspired with the rest of the prophet's wives against Muhammad and isolated him from physical relations.

Justify his actions with Mary, Muhammad received the following revelation:

{{Quote|{{Quran|66|1}}|'''"O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which God has made lawful to you.."'''}}

Allah then proceeded to chastise Aisha and Hafsa for getting upset with Muhammad for having sex with Mary the [[Slavery|slave]] girl:

{{Quote|{{Quran|66|3-5}}|And (remember) when the Prophet disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his wives (Hafsah), so when she told it (to another i.e. 'Aishah), and God made it known to him, he informed part thereof and left a part. Then when he told her (Hafsah) thereof, she said: "Who told you this?" He said: "The All-Knower, the All-Aware (God) has told me". If you two (wives of the Prophet , namely 'Aishah and Hafsah) turn in repentance to God, (it will be better for you), your hearts are indeed so inclined (to oppose what the Prophet likes), but if you help one another against him (Muhammad), then verily, God is his Maula (Lord, or Master, or Protector, etc.), and Jibrael (Gabriel), and the righteous among the believers, and furthermore, the angels are his helpers. It may be if he divorced you (all) that his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you, Muslims (who submit to God), believers, obedient to God, turning to God in repentance, worshipping God sincerely, fasting or emigrants (for God's sake), previously married and virgins."}}

===The Satanic Verses===
Pre-Islamic Mecca was a hotbed of [[paganism]] and polytheism. It is said 360 idols surrounded the [[Kaaba|Ka'aba]] and were worshiped as gods. Thus, it is storied that when Muhammad first began preaching monotheism and denouncing the other 359 gods, he was met with much resistance and hostility.

In an attempt to appease the Meccans, buy some time and bring relief to his followers from hostility, Muhammad one night had a revelation found in [[Surah]] 53:19-22 which originally read, "Have you thought of al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat the third, the other; these are the exalted Gharaniq whose intercession is approved." <ref>ibn Ishaq, p. 165-166; see also History of al-Tabari , vol VI: Muhammad at Mecca, p. 108-109 </ref> Al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat were three female deities, known as daughters of Allah. By this revelation Muhammad acknowledged these deities as worthy of worship and whose intercession in heaven was to be sought. Acknowledging these deities had the desired effect. Later, the angel [[Gabriel]] chastised Muhammad for uttering these verses and informed him that Satan, not Allah, had put these words in Muhammad's mouth. Thus, these verses are known as the [[Satanic Verses]].

Muhammad then received another revelation to relieve him of any wrongdoing:

{{Quote|{{Quran|22|52}}|'''"Never did We send an apostle or a prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire:''' but God will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and God will confirm (and establish) His Signs: for God is full of Knowledge and Wisdom."}}

There exists, however, no such instance of prophets succumbing to Satan's trickery and pronouncing false revelations in either the Bible or in Jewish literature.

In fact, Christian and Jewish scripture, scriptures recognized by the Qur'an as containing the words of other prophets, we see the following attestation made:

{{Quote|1=[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2018:20&version=NIV Deuteronomy 18:20 NIV]|2='But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.}}

===Violation of the Sacred Months===

Four months of the year were considered sacred to early Arabs. During these months no warfare was allowed and bloodshed was completely forbidden. The months which the Arabs held sacred were al Mu'harram, Rajab, Dhu'l Qaada, and Dhu'l Hajja; the first, the seventh, the eleventh, and the twelfth in the year. Muhammad adopted this custom of the Arabs and codified it in the Quran: {{Quran|2|194}} and {{Quran|5|97}}.

In one of the earliest raids on a trade caravan by warriors dispatched by Muhammad, a convenient revelation is received regarding the sacred months. Muhammad's men spotted the caravan passing by on the last day of a sacred month. According to ibn Ishaq:

{{Quote||"The raiders took council among themselves, for this was the last day of Rajab, and they said, 'If you leave them alone tonight they will get into the sacred area and will be safe from you and if you kill them, you will kill them in the sacred month' so they were hesitant and feared to attack them." <ref>ibn Ishaq, p. 287</ref>}}

In the end they decided to attack the caravan and capture its goods, thereby violating the prohibitions against warfare in the sacred month.
When Muhammad learned of it, he at first admonished them for violating the sacred month, but then received a new revelation:

{{Quote|{{Quran|2|217}}|"They ask you concerning fighting in the Sacred Months (i.e. 1st, 7th, 11th and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar). Say, '''"Fighting therein is a great (transgression) but a greater (transgression) with God is to prevent mankind from following the Way of God, to disbelieve in Him, to prevent access to Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (at Makkah)''', and to drive out its inhabitants, and Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And they will never cease fighting you until they turn you back from your religion (Islâmic Monotheism) if they can. And whosoever of you turns back from his religion and dies as a disbeliever, then his deeds will be lost in this life and in the Hereafter, and they will be the dwellers of the Fire. They will abide therein forever."}}

===Battle of the Trench===

When preparing for the Battle of the Trench, Muhammad ordered his followers to dig a large trench around the perimeter of Medina, to hold off the expected army of Meccans intent on killing Muhammad. Many of Muhammad's men put less than full effort into the task, and some even left without Muhammad's permission. At the same time, another Muslim needed temporary leave to attend to an urgent matter. He asked Muhammad's permission, was granted permission, and returned to trench digging as soon as he could.

Muhammad became upset and angry at those who left the task without asking his permission. Here, Muhammad received another revelation:

{{Quote|{{Quran|24|62}}|"Only those are believers, who believe in God and His Messenger. when they are with him on a matter requiring collective action, they do not depart until they have asked for his leave; those who ask for thy leave are those who believe in God and His Messenger. so when they ask for thy leave, for some business of theirs, give leave to those of them whom thou wilt, and ask God for their forgiveness: for God is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful."}}

Further emphasizing the point, ibn Ishaq records the following words from Allah:

{{Quote||"Do not treat the call of the apostle among you as if it were one of you calling upon another. God knows those of you who steal away to hide themselves. Let those who conspire to disobey his order beware lest trouble or a painful punishment befall them."<ref>ibn Ishaq, p. 451</ref>}}

===Muhammad and Genetics===

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|6|60|7}}|Narrated Anas: 
'Abdullah bin Salam heard the news of the arrival of Allah's Apostle (at Medina) while he was on a farm collecting its fruits. So he came to the Prophet and said, "I will ask you about three things which nobody knows unless he be a prophet. Firstly, what is the first portent of the Hour? What is the first meal of the people of Paradise? '''And what makes a baby look like its father or mother?'''. The Prophet said, "Just now Gabriel has informed me about that." ... "As for the first portent of the Hour, it will be a fire that will collect the people from the East to West. And as for the first meal of the people of Paradise, it will be the caudite (i.e. extra) lobe of the fish liver. '''And if a man's discharge proceeded that of the woman, then the child resembles the father, and if the woman's discharge proceeded that of the man, then the child resembles the mother.'''" On hearing that, 'Abdullah said, "I testify that None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and that you are the Apostle of Allah...}}

Observe the hadith above. Abdullah bin Salam wanted to determine if Muhammad was a legitimate prophet and so posed three questions that he assumed only a prophet would be able to answer correctly:

#What is the first portent of the Hour?
#What is the first meal of the people of Paradise?
#Why does a child look like its father or mother?

Muhammad responds, ''Just now Gabriel has informed me of that.'' Muhammad proceeds to share the following revealed answers:

*The first portent of the hour is an all-consuming fire from east to west.
*The first meal in paradise is extra fish liver.
*A child looks like whichever parent achieves orgasm first during sexual intercourse. (This response is evidently at odds with science)

Assuming this exchange in fact occurred, one wonders how Abdullah b. Salman could have hoped to confirm whether Muhammad had in fact given the correct responses to his questions regarding the hereafter and the science of reproduction.

===Muhammad Corrects Allah===

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|6|61|512}}|Narrated Al-Bara: 
There was revealed: 'Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and those who strive and fight in the Cause of Allah.' (4.95)

The Prophet said, "Call Zaid for me and let him bring the board, the inkpot and the scapula bone (or the scapula bone and the ink pot)."' Then he said, "Write: 'Not equal are those Believers who sit..", and at that time 'Amr bin Um Maktum, the blind man was sitting behind the Prophet . He said, "O Allah's Apostle! What is your order For me (as regards the above Verse) as I am a blind man?" So, '''instead of the above Verse, the following Verse was revealed:'''

'Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame etc.) and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah.' (4.95)}}

Note the sequence of events in the above hadith:

#Muhammad receives a revelation, which is part of Sura 4:95 as it exists today.
#Muhammad calls Zaid to write down the revelation and begins to recite it to Zaid: All who fail to participate in jihad are viewed as inferior to those who do participate.
#A blind man asks how the verse applies to him, since he is blind and cannot participate in jihad.
#Muhammad then conveniently receives a new revelation that adds an exception to jihad for the blind and disabled.

===Allah Corrects Muhammad===
At one time some big chiefs of Makkah were sitting in the assembly of Mohammad, and he was earnestly engaged in trying to persuade them to accept Islam. At that very point, a blind man, named Abd-Allah ibn Umm-Maktum, approached him to seek explanation of some point concerning Islam. Muhammad disliked his interruption and ignored him. Later, remorseful, Muhammad received a revelation acknowledging the blind man's plight.

{{Quote|{{Quran|80|1-12}}|
The Prophet frowned and turned away. Because there came to him the blind man, [interrupting]. But what would make you perceive, [O Muhammad], that perhaps he might be purified. Or be reminded and the remembrance would benefit him? As for he who thinks himself without need, To him you give attention. And not upon you [is any blame] if he will not be purified. But as for he who came to you striving [for knowledge]. While he fears [ Allah ], From him you are distracted. No! Indeed, these verses are a reminder;}}The verse no doubt left the blind man feeling better about his unfortunate encounter with Muhammad.

===Companions Loitering===
Muhammad's followers were at some point staying too long in and around his house and talking to his wives. Muhammad was thus revealed a verse to help Muhammad with this nuisance.
{{Quote|{{Quran|33|53}}|O you who believe! Enter not the Prophet's houses, except when leave is given to you for a meal, (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation. But when you are invited, enter, and when you have taken your meal, disperse, without sitting for a talk. Verily, such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet, and he is shy of (asking) you (to go), but Allah is not shy of (telling you) the truth. And when you ask (his wives) for anything you want, ask them from behind a screen, that is purer for your hearts and for their hearts. And it is not (right) for you that you should annoy Allah's Messenger, nor that you should ever marry his wives after him (his death). Verily! With Allah that shall be an enormity.}}
==See Also==

*[[Muhammad's Revelations]] ''- A hub page that leads to other articles related to Muhammad's Revelations''

==References==
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This article discusses [[Allah|Allah's]] [[revelations]] to Prophet [[Muhammad]] that he alleged to have received from God at convenient moments during his life.There are a number of such instances in the Qur'an where there is revelation (and in the Hadith Qudsi, where Muhammad asserts that God has told him something that is not to be included in the Qur'an) concerning Muhammad as an individual. Critics have suggested that such verses would scarcely merit inclusion in a eternal document of divine importance that conceives of itself as "guidance for all of mankind".

==The Revelations==

===Multiple Wives===

Allah revealed to Muhammad that Muslim men are permitted to [[Marriage|marry]] up to four women.

{{Quote|{{Quran|4|3}}|"And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan-girls, then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (the captives and the slaves) that your right hands possess."}}

Muhammad was granted an exception in this respect to be allowed to marry an unlimited number of wives:

{{Quote|{{Quran|33|50}}|"O Prophet (Muhammad)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (captives or slaves) whom your right hand possesses -- whom God has given to you, and the daughters of your 'Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your 'Ammah (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khâl (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khâlah (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her; '''a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers'''."}}

And although Allah allowed men to marry up to four wives, Muhammad allowed only one wife for his son-in-law Ali who was married to Muhammad's daughter Fatima. When Ali desired to take a second wife, Muhammad insisted he first divorce Fatima before taking a new wife.

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|7|62|157}}|Narrated Al-Miswar bin Makhrama: 
I heard Allah's Apostle who was on the pulpit, saying, "Banu Hisham bin Al-Mughira have requested me to allow them to marry their daughter to Ali bin Abu Talib, but '''I don't give permission, and will not give permission unless 'Ali bin Abi Talib divorces my daughter in order to marry their daughter''', because Fatima is a part of my body, and I hate what she hates to see, and what hurts her, hurts me."}}

===Treating Wives Equally Well===

In the same verse noted above {{Quran|4|3}} is an injunction to treat all wives equally... " but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one...".

Muhammad initially gave each of his [[Muhammad's Wives|multiple wives]] equal attention and time with him, visiting a different wife each night. As time progressed however, he developed favorite wives who garnered more attention and affection than others. This created a great deal of tension among the ladies, and jealousy, and often rage, ensued. Muhammad then received another revelation absolving him from the earlier admonition to treat all wives as equals and deal with them justly, and allowed him to select his favorite wives according to his desire alone:

{{Quote|{{Quran|33|51}}|"'''You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive whom you will.''' And whomsoever you desire of those whom you have set aside (her turn temporarily), it is no sin on you (to receive her again), that is better; that they may be comforted and not grieved, and may all be pleased with what you give them. God knows what is in your hearts. And God is Ever All-Knowing, Most Forbearing."}}

[[Aisha]], the favorite wife of Muhammad, was expressly suspicious about this sort of revelation. After Muhammad received the verse above, Aisha commented, "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."<ref>{{Bukhari|6|60|311}}</ref>

===Marriage to Zaynab bint Jahsh===

[[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Muhammads Wives and Concubines#Zainab_bint_Jash|Zaynab]] was initially married to Zaid ibn Haritha, Muhammad's adopted son. One day Muhammad paid a visit to Zaid's house to consult with him about a matter, but he was not home. Not expecting Muhammad to be at the door, Zaynab answered the door instead, dressed in a revealing garment, and Muhammad immediately developed a carnal desire for her. When Zaid learned of the prophet's infatuation, he divorced Zaynab so Muhammad could marry her. This turned into quite a scandal among the Arabs, who equated Muhammad's actions with incest, since he married his daughter-in-law. Soon thereafter, Muhammad received this revelation:

{{Quote|{{Quran|33|37}}|And (remember) when you said to him (Zaid bin Hârithah; the freed-slave of the Prophet ) on whom God has bestowed Grace (by guiding him to Islâm) and you (O Muhammad too) have done favour (by manumitting him) "Keep your wife to yourself, and fear God." But you did hide in yourself (i.e. what God has already made known to you that He will give her to you in marriage) that which God will make manifest, you did fear the people (i.e., Muhammad married the divorced wife of his manumitted slave) whereas God had a better right that you should fear Him. '''So when Zaid had accomplished his desire from her (i.e. divorced her), We gave her to you in marriage, so that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the believers in respect of (the marriage of) the wives of their adopted sons''' when the latter have no desire to keep them (i.e. they have divorced them). And God's Command must be fulfilled.}}

===Muhammad and Mary the Copt===

As stated above, Muhammad used to take turns among his wives, visiting a different one each night. One night during the time allotted for [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Muhammads Wives and Concubines#Hafsa|Hafsa]], she had to take care of an urgent need with another family member and so was not at home. Muhammad instead had intimate relations with [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Muhammads Wives and Concubines#Mariya|Mary]], a Coptic slave that had been given to him. Muhammad was not married to Mary the Copt.{{Quote|[https://sunnah.com/nasai:3959 Sunan an-Nasa'i 3959]|It was narrated from Anas, that the Messenger of Allah had a female slave with whom he had intercourse, but 'Aishah and Hafsah would not leave him alone until he said that she was forbidden for him. Then Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed:
'''O Prophet! Why do you forbid (for yourself) that which Allah has allowed to you.''' until the end of the Verse.}}

When Hafsah found this out and questioned him, he promised (on oath) not to touch Mary again if she would keep this a secret, and promised that Umar and Abu Bakr should be his successors. Hafsah, however, did not keep quiet and told Aysha about this event. As a result Muhammad had no dealings with any of his wives for a full month, living with Mary alone.<ref>Gerhard Nehls & Walter Eric - [http://answering-islam.org/Nehls/tt1/tt2.html The Challenge of Islam/ Chapter II] - English Press Limited Nairobi, New Revised Edition 1996, ISBN 9966 895 16 7</ref> Aisha and Hafsa conspired with the rest of the prophet's wives against Muhammad and isolated him from physical relations.

Justify his actions with Mary, Muhammad received the following revelation:

{{Quote|{{Quran|66|1}}|'''"O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which God has made lawful to you.."'''}}

Allah then proceeded to chastise Aisha and Hafsa for getting upset with Muhammad for having sex with Mary the [[Slavery|slave]] girl:

{{Quote|{{Quran|66|3-5}}|And (remember) when the Prophet disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his wives (Hafsah), so when she told it (to another i.e. 'Aishah), and God made it known to him, he informed part thereof and left a part. Then when he told her (Hafsah) thereof, she said: "Who told you this?" He said: "The All-Knower, the All-Aware (God) has told me". If you two (wives of the Prophet , namely 'Aishah and Hafsah) turn in repentance to God, (it will be better for you), your hearts are indeed so inclined (to oppose what the Prophet likes), but if you help one another against him (Muhammad), then verily, God is his Maula (Lord, or Master, or Protector, etc.), and Jibrael (Gabriel), and the righteous among the believers, and furthermore, the angels are his helpers. It may be if he divorced you (all) that his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you, Muslims (who submit to God), believers, obedient to God, turning to God in repentance, worshipping God sincerely, fasting or emigrants (for God's sake), previously married and virgins."}}

===The Satanic Verses===
Pre-Islamic Mecca was a hotbed of [[paganism]] and polytheism. It is said 360 idols surrounded the [[Kaaba|Ka'aba]] and were worshiped as gods. Thus, it is storied that when Muhammad first began preaching monotheism and denouncing the other 359 gods, he was met with much resistance and hostility.

In an attempt to appease the Meccans, buy some time and bring relief to his followers from hostility, Muhammad one night had a revelation found in [[Surah]] 53:19-22 which originally read, "Have you thought of al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat the third, the other; these are the exalted Gharaniq whose intercession is approved." <ref>ibn Ishaq, p. 165-166; see also History of al-Tabari , vol VI: Muhammad at Mecca, p. 108-109 </ref> Al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat were three female deities, known as daughters of Allah. By this revelation Muhammad acknowledged these deities as worthy of worship and whose intercession in heaven was to be sought. Acknowledging these deities had the desired effect. Later, the angel [[Gabriel]] chastised Muhammad for uttering these verses and informed him that Satan, not Allah, had put these words in Muhammad's mouth. Thus, these verses are known as the [[Satanic Verses]].

Muhammad then received another revelation to relieve him of any wrongdoing:

{{Quote|{{Quran|22|52}}|'''"Never did We send an apostle or a prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire:''' but God will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and God will confirm (and establish) His Signs: for God is full of Knowledge and Wisdom."}}

There exists, however, no such instance of prophets succumbing to Satan's trickery and pronouncing false revelations in either the Bible or in Jewish literature.

In fact, Christian and Jewish scripture, scriptures recognized by the Qur'an as containing the words of other prophets, we see the following attestation made:

{{Quote|1=[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2018:20&version=NIV Deuteronomy 18:20 NIV]|2='But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.}}

===Violation of the Sacred Months===

Four months of the year were considered sacred to early Arabs. During these months no warfare was allowed and bloodshed was completely forbidden. The months which the Arabs held sacred were al Mu'harram, Rajab, Dhu'l Qaada, and Dhu'l Hajja; the first, the seventh, the eleventh, and the twelfth in the year. Muhammad adopted this custom of the Arabs and codified it in the Quran: {{Quran|2|194}} and {{Quran|5|97}}.

In one of the earliest raids on a trade caravan by warriors dispatched by Muhammad, a convenient revelation is received regarding the sacred months. Muhammad's men spotted the caravan passing by on the last day of a sacred month. According to ibn Ishaq:

{{Quote||"The raiders took council among themselves, for this was the last day of Rajab, and they said, 'If you leave them alone tonight they will get into the sacred area and will be safe from you and if you kill them, you will kill them in the sacred month' so they were hesitant and feared to attack them." <ref>ibn Ishaq, p. 287</ref>}}

In the end they decided to attack the caravan and capture its goods, thereby violating the prohibitions against warfare in the sacred month.
When Muhammad learned of it, he at first admonished them for violating the sacred month, but then received a new revelation:

{{Quote|{{Quran|2|217}}|"They ask you concerning fighting in the Sacred Months (i.e. 1st, 7th, 11th and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar). Say, '''"Fighting therein is a great (transgression) but a greater (transgression) with God is to prevent mankind from following the Way of God, to disbelieve in Him, to prevent access to Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (at Makkah)''', and to drive out its inhabitants, and Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And they will never cease fighting you until they turn you back from your religion (Islâmic Monotheism) if they can. And whosoever of you turns back from his religion and dies as a disbeliever, then his deeds will be lost in this life and in the Hereafter, and they will be the dwellers of the Fire. They will abide therein forever."}}

===Battle of the Trench===

When preparing for the Battle of the Trench, Muhammad ordered his followers to dig a large trench around the perimeter of Medina, to hold off the expected army of Meccans intent on killing Muhammad. Many of Muhammad's men put less than full effort into the task, and some even left without Muhammad's permission. At the same time, another Muslim needed temporary leave to attend to an urgent matter. He asked Muhammad's permission, was granted permission, and returned to trench digging as soon as he could.

Muhammad became upset and angry at those who left the task without asking his permission. Here, Muhammad received another revelation:

{{Quote|{{Quran|24|62}}|"Only those are believers, who believe in God and His Messenger. when they are with him on a matter requiring collective action, they do not depart until they have asked for his leave; those who ask for thy leave are those who believe in God and His Messenger. so when they ask for thy leave, for some business of theirs, give leave to those of them whom thou wilt, and ask God for their forgiveness: for God is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful."}}

Further emphasizing the point, ibn Ishaq records the following words from Allah:

{{Quote||"Do not treat the call of the apostle among you as if it were one of you calling upon another. God knows those of you who steal away to hide themselves. Let those who conspire to disobey his order beware lest trouble or a painful punishment befall them."<ref>ibn Ishaq, p. 451</ref>}}

===Muhammad and Genetics===

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|6|60|7}}|Narrated Anas: 
'Abdullah bin Salam heard the news of the arrival of Allah's Apostle (at Medina) while he was on a farm collecting its fruits. So he came to the Prophet and said, "I will ask you about three things which nobody knows unless he be a prophet. Firstly, what is the first portent of the Hour? What is the first meal of the people of Paradise? '''And what makes a baby look like its father or mother?'''. The Prophet said, "Just now Gabriel has informed me about that." ... "As for the first portent of the Hour, it will be a fire that will collect the people from the East to West. And as for the first meal of the people of Paradise, it will be the caudite (i.e. extra) lobe of the fish liver. '''And if a man's discharge proceeded that of the woman, then the child resembles the father, and if the woman's discharge proceeded that of the man, then the child resembles the mother.'''" On hearing that, 'Abdullah said, "I testify that None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and that you are the Apostle of Allah...}}

Observe the hadith above. Abdullah bin Salam wanted to determine if Muhammad was a legitimate prophet and so posed three questions that he assumed only a prophet would be able to answer correctly:

#What is the first portent of the Hour?
#What is the first meal of the people of Paradise?
#Why does a child look like its father or mother?

Muhammad responds, ''Just now Gabriel has informed me of that.'' Muhammad proceeds to share the following revealed answers:

*The first portent of the hour is an all-consuming fire from east to west.
*The first meal in paradise is extra fish liver.
*A child looks like whichever parent achieves orgasm first during sexual intercourse. (This response is evidently at odds with science)

Assuming this exchange in fact occurred, one wonders how Abdullah b. Salman could have hoped to confirm whether Muhammad had in fact given the correct responses to his questions regarding the hereafter and the science of reproduction.

===Muhammad Corrects Allah===

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|6|61|512}}|Narrated Al-Bara: 
There was revealed: 'Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and those who strive and fight in the Cause of Allah.' (4.95)

The Prophet said, "Call Zaid for me and let him bring the board, the inkpot and the scapula bone (or the scapula bone and the ink pot)."' Then he said, "Write: 'Not equal are those Believers who sit..", and at that time 'Amr bin Um Maktum, the blind man was sitting behind the Prophet . He said, "O Allah's Apostle! What is your order For me (as regards the above Verse) as I am a blind man?" So, '''instead of the above Verse, the following Verse was revealed:'''

'Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame etc.) and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah.' (4.95)}}

Note the sequence of events in the above hadith:

#Muhammad receives a revelation, which is part of Sura 4:95 as it exists today.
#Muhammad calls Zaid to write down the revelation and begins to recite it to Zaid: All who fail to participate in jihad are viewed as inferior to those who do participate.
#A blind man asks how the verse applies to him, since he is blind and cannot participate in jihad.
#Muhammad then conveniently receives a new revelation that adds an exception to jihad for the blind and disabled.

===Allah Corrects Muhammad===
At one time some big chiefs of Makkah were sitting in the assembly of Mohammad, and he was earnestly engaged in trying to persuade them to accept Islam. At that very point, a blind man, named Abd-Allah ibn Umm-Maktum, approached him to seek explanation of some point concerning Islam. Muhammad disliked his interruption and ignored him. Later, remorseful, Muhammad received a revelation acknowledging the blind man's plight.

{{Quote|{{Quran|80|1-12}}|
The Prophet frowned and turned away. Because there came to him the blind man, [interrupting]. But what would make you perceive, [O Muhammad], that perhaps he might be purified. Or be reminded and the remembrance would benefit him? As for he who thinks himself without need, To him you give attention. And not upon you [is any blame] if he will not be purified. But as for he who came to you striving [for knowledge]. While he fears [ Allah ], From him you are distracted. No! Indeed, these verses are a reminder;}}The verse no doubt left the blind man feeling better about his unfortunate encounter with Muhammad.

===Companions Loitering===
Muhammad's followers were at some point staying too long in and around his house and talking to his wives. Muhammad was thus revealed a verse to help Muhammad with this nuisance.
{{Quote|{{Quran|33|53}}|O you who believe! Enter not the Prophet's houses, except when leave is given to you for a meal, (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation. But when you are invited, enter, and when you have taken your meal, disperse, without sitting for a talk. Verily, such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet, and he is shy of (asking) you (to go), but Allah is not shy of (telling you) the truth. And when you ask (his wives) for anything you want, ask them from behind a screen, that is purer for your hearts and for their hearts. And it is not (right) for you that you should annoy Allah's Messenger, nor that you should ever marry his wives after him (his death). Verily! With Allah that shall be an enormity.}}
==See Also==

*[[Muhammad's Revelations]] ''- A hub page that leads to other articles related to Muhammad's Revelations''

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Muhammad]]
[[Category:Revelation]]
[[Category:Qur'an]]

Convenient Revelations

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This article discusses [[Allah|Allah's]] [[revelations]] to Prophet [[Muhammad]] that he alleged to have received from God at convenient moments during his life.There are a number of such instances in the Qur'an where there is revelation (and in the Hadith Qudsi, where Muhammad asserts that God has told him something that is not to be included in the Qur'an) concerning Muhammad as an individual. Critics have suggested that such verses would scarcely merit inclusion in a eternal document of divine importance that conceives of itself as "guidance for all of mankind".

==The Revelations==

===Multiple Wives===

Allah revealed to Muhammad that Muslim men are permitted to [[Marriage|marry]] up to four women.

{{Quote|{{Quran|4|3}}|"And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan-girls, then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (the captives and the slaves) that your right hands possess."}}

Muhammad was granted an exception in this respect to be allowed to marry an unlimited number of wives:

{{Quote|{{Quran|33|50}}|"O Prophet (Muhammad)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (captives or slaves) whom your right hand possesses -- whom God has given to you, and the daughters of your 'Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your 'Ammah (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khâl (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khâlah (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her; '''a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers'''."}}

And although Allah allowed men to marry up to four wives, Muhammad allowed only one wife for his son-in-law Ali who was married to Muhammad's daughter Fatima. When Ali desired to take a second wife, Muhammad insisted he first divorce Fatima before taking a new wife.

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|7|62|157}}|Narrated Al-Miswar bin Makhrama: 
I heard Allah's Apostle who was on the pulpit, saying, "Banu Hisham bin Al-Mughira have requested me to allow them to marry their daughter to Ali bin Abu Talib, but '''I don't give permission, and will not give permission unless 'Ali bin Abi Talib divorces my daughter in order to marry their daughter''', because Fatima is a part of my body, and I hate what she hates to see, and what hurts her, hurts me."}}

===Treating Wives Equally Well===

In the same verse noted above {{Quran|4|3}} is an injunction to treat all wives equally... " but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one...".

Muhammad initially gave each of his [[Muhammad's Wives|multiple wives]] equal attention and time with him, visiting a different wife each night. As time progressed however, he developed favorite wives who garnered more attention and affection than others. This created a great deal of tension among the ladies, and jealousy, and often rage, ensued. Muhammad then received another revelation absolving him from the earlier admonition to treat all wives as equals and deal with them justly, and allowed him to select his favorite wives according to his desire alone:

{{Quote|{{Quran|33|51}}|"'''You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive whom you will.''' And whomsoever you desire of those whom you have set aside (her turn temporarily), it is no sin on you (to receive her again), that is better; that they may be comforted and not grieved, and may all be pleased with what you give them. God knows what is in your hearts. And God is Ever All-Knowing, Most Forbearing."}}

[[Aisha]], the favorite wife of Muhammad, was expressly suspicious about this sort of revelation. After Muhammad received the verse above, Aisha commented, "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."<ref>{{Bukhari|6|60|311}}</ref>

===Marriage to Zaynab bint Jahsh===

[[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Muhammads Wives and Concubines#Zainab_bint_Jash|Zaynab]] was initially married to Zaid ibn Haritha, Muhammad's adopted son. One day Muhammad paid a visit to Zaid's house to consult with him about a matter, but he was not home. Not expecting Muhammad to be at the door, Zaynab answered the door instead, dressed in a revealing garment, and Muhammad immediately developed a carnal desire for her. When Zaid learned of the prophet's infatuation, he divorced Zaynab so Muhammad could marry her. This turned into quite a scandal among the Arabs, who equated Muhammad's actions with incest, since he married his daughter-in-law. Soon thereafter, Muhammad received this revelation:

{{Quote|{{Quran|33|37}}|And (remember) when you said to him (Zaid bin Hârithah; the freed-slave of the Prophet ) on whom God has bestowed Grace (by guiding him to Islâm) and you (O Muhammad too) have done favour (by manumitting him) "Keep your wife to yourself, and fear God." But you did hide in yourself (i.e. what God has already made known to you that He will give her to you in marriage) that which God will make manifest, you did fear the people (i.e., Muhammad married the divorced wife of his manumitted slave) whereas God had a better right that you should fear Him. '''So when Zaid had accomplished his desire from her (i.e. divorced her), We gave her to you in marriage, so that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the believers in respect of (the marriage of) the wives of their adopted sons''' when the latter have no desire to keep them (i.e. they have divorced them). And God's Command must be fulfilled.}}

===Muhammad and Mary the Copt===

As stated above, Muhammad used to take turns among his wives, visiting a different one each night. One night during the time allotted for [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Muhammads Wives and Concubines#Hafsa|Hafsa]], she had to take care of an urgent need with another family member and so was not at home. Muhammad instead had intimate relations with [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Muhammads Wives and Concubines#Mariya|Mary]], a Coptic slave that had been given to him. Muhammad was not married to Mary the Copt.

When Hafsah found this out and questioned him, he promised (on oath) not to touch Mary again if she would keep this a secret, and promised that Umar and Abu Bakr should be his successors. Hafsah, however, did not keep quiet and told Aysha about this event. As a result Muhammad had no dealings with any of his wives for a full month, living with Mary alone.<ref>Gerhard Nehls & Walter Eric - [http://answering-islam.org/Nehls/tt1/tt2.html The Challenge of Islam/ Chapter II] - English Press Limited Nairobi, New Revised Edition 1996, ISBN 9966 895 16 7</ref> Aisha and Hafsa conspired with the rest of the prophet's wives against Muhammad and isolated him from physical relations.{{Quote|[https://sunnah.com/nasai:3959 Sunan an-Nasa'i 3959]|It was narrated from Anas, that the Messenger of Allah had a female slave with whom he had intercourse, but 'Aishah and Hafsah would not leave him alone until he said that she was forbidden for him. Then Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed:
'''O Prophet! Why do you forbid (for yourself) that which Allah has allowed to you.''' until the end of the Verse.}}Justify his actions with Mary, Muhammad received the following revelation:

{{Quote|{{Quran|66|1}}|'''"O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which God has made lawful to you.."'''}}

Allah then proceeded to chastise Aisha and Hafsa for getting upset with Muhammad for having sex with Mary the [[Slavery|slave]] girl:

{{Quote|{{Quran|66|3-5}}|And (remember) when the Prophet disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his wives (Hafsah), so when she told it (to another i.e. 'Aishah), and God made it known to him, he informed part thereof and left a part. Then when he told her (Hafsah) thereof, she said: "Who told you this?" He said: "The All-Knower, the All-Aware (God) has told me". If you two (wives of the Prophet , namely 'Aishah and Hafsah) turn in repentance to God, (it will be better for you), your hearts are indeed so inclined (to oppose what the Prophet likes), but if you help one another against him (Muhammad), then verily, God is his Maula (Lord, or Master, or Protector, etc.), and Jibrael (Gabriel), and the righteous among the believers, and furthermore, the angels are his helpers. It may be if he divorced you (all) that his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you, Muslims (who submit to God), believers, obedient to God, turning to God in repentance, worshipping God sincerely, fasting or emigrants (for God's sake), previously married and virgins."}}

=== The Satanic Verses ===
Pre-Islamic Mecca was a hotbed of [[paganism]] and polytheism. It is said 360 idols surrounded the [[Kaaba|Ka'aba]] and were worshiped as gods. Thus, it is storied that when Muhammad first began preaching monotheism and denouncing the other 359 gods, he was met with much resistance and hostility.

In an attempt to appease the Meccans, buy some time and bring relief to his followers from hostility, Muhammad one night had a revelation found in [[Surah]] 53:19-22 which originally read, "Have you thought of al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat the third, the other; these are the exalted Gharaniq whose intercession is approved." <ref>ibn Ishaq, p. 165-166; see also History of al-Tabari , vol VI: Muhammad at Mecca, p. 108-109 </ref> Al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat were three female deities, known as daughters of Allah. By this revelation Muhammad acknowledged these deities as worthy of worship and whose intercession in heaven was to be sought. Acknowledging these deities had the desired effect. Later, the angel [[Gabriel]] chastised Muhammad for uttering these verses and informed him that Satan, not Allah, had put these words in Muhammad's mouth. Thus, these verses are known as the [[Satanic Verses]].

Muhammad then received another revelation to relieve him of any wrongdoing:

{{Quote|{{Quran|22|52}}|'''"Never did We send an apostle or a prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire:''' but God will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and God will confirm (and establish) His Signs: for God is full of Knowledge and Wisdom."}}

There exists, however, no such instance of prophets succumbing to Satan's trickery and pronouncing false revelations in either the Bible or in Jewish literature.

In fact, Christian and Jewish scripture, scriptures recognized by the Qur'an as containing the words of other prophets, we see the following attestation made:

{{Quote|1=[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2018:20&version=NIV Deuteronomy 18:20 NIV]|2='But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.}}

===Violation of the Sacred Months===

Four months of the year were considered sacred to early Arabs. During these months no warfare was allowed and bloodshed was completely forbidden. The months which the Arabs held sacred were al Mu'harram, Rajab, Dhu'l Qaada, and Dhu'l Hajja; the first, the seventh, the eleventh, and the twelfth in the year. Muhammad adopted this custom of the Arabs and codified it in the Quran: {{Quran|2|194}} and {{Quran|5|97}}.

In one of the earliest raids on a trade caravan by warriors dispatched by Muhammad, a convenient revelation is received regarding the sacred months. Muhammad's men spotted the caravan passing by on the last day of a sacred month. According to ibn Ishaq:

{{Quote||"The raiders took council among themselves, for this was the last day of Rajab, and they said, 'If you leave them alone tonight they will get into the sacred area and will be safe from you and if you kill them, you will kill them in the sacred month' so they were hesitant and feared to attack them." <ref>ibn Ishaq, p. 287</ref>}}

In the end they decided to attack the caravan and capture its goods, thereby violating the prohibitions against warfare in the sacred month.
When Muhammad learned of it, he at first admonished them for violating the sacred month, but then received a new revelation:

{{Quote|{{Quran|2|217}}|"They ask you concerning fighting in the Sacred Months (i.e. 1st, 7th, 11th and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar). Say, '''"Fighting therein is a great (transgression) but a greater (transgression) with God is to prevent mankind from following the Way of God, to disbelieve in Him, to prevent access to Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (at Makkah)''', and to drive out its inhabitants, and Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And they will never cease fighting you until they turn you back from your religion (Islâmic Monotheism) if they can. And whosoever of you turns back from his religion and dies as a disbeliever, then his deeds will be lost in this life and in the Hereafter, and they will be the dwellers of the Fire. They will abide therein forever."}}

===Battle of the Trench===

When preparing for the Battle of the Trench, Muhammad ordered his followers to dig a large trench around the perimeter of Medina, to hold off the expected army of Meccans intent on killing Muhammad. Many of Muhammad's men put less than full effort into the task, and some even left without Muhammad's permission. At the same time, another Muslim needed temporary leave to attend to an urgent matter. He asked Muhammad's permission, was granted permission, and returned to trench digging as soon as he could.

Muhammad became upset and angry at those who left the task without asking his permission. Here, Muhammad received another revelation:

{{Quote|{{Quran|24|62}}|"Only those are believers, who believe in God and His Messenger. when they are with him on a matter requiring collective action, they do not depart until they have asked for his leave; those who ask for thy leave are those who believe in God and His Messenger. so when they ask for thy leave, for some business of theirs, give leave to those of them whom thou wilt, and ask God for their forgiveness: for God is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful."}}

Further emphasizing the point, ibn Ishaq records the following words from Allah:

{{Quote||"Do not treat the call of the apostle among you as if it were one of you calling upon another. God knows those of you who steal away to hide themselves. Let those who conspire to disobey his order beware lest trouble or a painful punishment befall them."<ref>ibn Ishaq, p. 451</ref>}}

===Muhammad and Genetics===

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|6|60|7}}|Narrated Anas: 
'Abdullah bin Salam heard the news of the arrival of Allah's Apostle (at Medina) while he was on a farm collecting its fruits. So he came to the Prophet and said, "I will ask you about three things which nobody knows unless he be a prophet. Firstly, what is the first portent of the Hour? What is the first meal of the people of Paradise? '''And what makes a baby look like its father or mother?'''. The Prophet said, "Just now Gabriel has informed me about that." ... "As for the first portent of the Hour, it will be a fire that will collect the people from the East to West. And as for the first meal of the people of Paradise, it will be the caudite (i.e. extra) lobe of the fish liver. '''And if a man's discharge proceeded that of the woman, then the child resembles the father, and if the woman's discharge proceeded that of the man, then the child resembles the mother.'''" On hearing that, 'Abdullah said, "I testify that None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and that you are the Apostle of Allah...}}

Observe the hadith above. Abdullah bin Salam wanted to determine if Muhammad was a legitimate prophet and so posed three questions that he assumed only a prophet would be able to answer correctly:

#What is the first portent of the Hour?
#What is the first meal of the people of Paradise?
#Why does a child look like its father or mother?

Muhammad responds, ''Just now Gabriel has informed me of that.'' Muhammad proceeds to share the following revealed answers:

*The first portent of the hour is an all-consuming fire from east to west.
*The first meal in paradise is extra fish liver.
*A child looks like whichever parent achieves orgasm first during sexual intercourse. (This response is evidently at odds with science)

Assuming this exchange in fact occurred, one wonders how Abdullah b. Salman could have hoped to confirm whether Muhammad had in fact given the correct responses to his questions regarding the hereafter and the science of reproduction.

===Muhammad Corrects Allah===

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|6|61|512}}|Narrated Al-Bara: 
There was revealed: 'Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and those who strive and fight in the Cause of Allah.' (4.95)

The Prophet said, "Call Zaid for me and let him bring the board, the inkpot and the scapula bone (or the scapula bone and the ink pot)."' Then he said, "Write: 'Not equal are those Believers who sit..", and at that time 'Amr bin Um Maktum, the blind man was sitting behind the Prophet . He said, "O Allah's Apostle! What is your order For me (as regards the above Verse) as I am a blind man?" So, '''instead of the above Verse, the following Verse was revealed:'''

'Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame etc.) and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah.' (4.95)}}

Note the sequence of events in the above hadith:

#Muhammad receives a revelation, which is part of Sura 4:95 as it exists today.
#Muhammad calls Zaid to write down the revelation and begins to recite it to Zaid: All who fail to participate in jihad are viewed as inferior to those who do participate.
#A blind man asks how the verse applies to him, since he is blind and cannot participate in jihad.
#Muhammad then conveniently receives a new revelation that adds an exception to jihad for the blind and disabled.

===Allah Corrects Muhammad===
At one time some big chiefs of Makkah were sitting in the assembly of Mohammad, and he was earnestly engaged in trying to persuade them to accept Islam. At that very point, a blind man, named Abd-Allah ibn Umm-Maktum, approached him to seek explanation of some point concerning Islam. Muhammad disliked his interruption and ignored him. Later, remorseful, Muhammad received a revelation acknowledging the blind man's plight.

{{Quote|{{Quran|80|1-12}}|
The Prophet frowned and turned away. Because there came to him the blind man, [interrupting]. But what would make you perceive, [O Muhammad], that perhaps he might be purified. Or be reminded and the remembrance would benefit him? As for he who thinks himself without need, To him you give attention. And not upon you [is any blame] if he will not be purified. But as for he who came to you striving [for knowledge]. While he fears [ Allah ], From him you are distracted. No! Indeed, these verses are a reminder;}}The verse no doubt left the blind man feeling better about his unfortunate encounter with Muhammad.

===Companions Loitering===
Muhammad's followers were at some point staying too long in and around his house and talking to his wives. Muhammad was thus revealed a verse to help Muhammad with this nuisance.
{{Quote|{{Quran|33|53}}|O you who believe! Enter not the Prophet's houses, except when leave is given to you for a meal, (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation. But when you are invited, enter, and when you have taken your meal, disperse, without sitting for a talk. Verily, such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet, and he is shy of (asking) you (to go), but Allah is not shy of (telling you) the truth. And when you ask (his wives) for anything you want, ask them from behind a screen, that is purer for your hearts and for their hearts. And it is not (right) for you that you should annoy Allah's Messenger, nor that you should ever marry his wives after him (his death). Verily! With Allah that shall be an enormity.}}
==See Also==

*[[Muhammad's Revelations]] ''- A hub page that leads to other articles related to Muhammad's Revelations''

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Muhammad]]
[[Category:Revelation]]
[[Category:Qur'an]]

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== How to ping other editors? ==

Hi, I asked a question [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Talk:Rape_in_Islamic_Law# here]. How do I ping other editors to reply?-[[User:Raman|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman|talk]]) 17:46, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
:Hey Raman, you just did. If you want to ping an editor directly (so that they get a notification) you have to leave a comment on their talk page, as you just left on mine. As for talk pages for specific articles, editing these will not send a notification to any editor unless those editors are "watching" the page (the little selectable star icon in the top right of the screen). Since activity on the wiki is a bit slow right now, there may not be so many other editors to interact with, but do feel free to msg admins/anyone you see is active via the [[Special:RecentChanges]] page. I will go ahead and leave a reply to your question on the rape in islamic law page now. Also, if you haven't already, be sure to review the [[WikiIslam:Talk_Pages|talk page guidelines]] Hope that helps. --[[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 21:11, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
::Actually, I just looked into it a bit further. MediaWiki (the wiki software) may notify editors if you link to their page as such: [[User:Raman]]. Try tagging me on the rape in Islamic law page, and let me know if this tag here resulted in your receiving a notification. Thanks --[[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 21:25, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
::No, I did not get any notification.-[[User:Raman|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman|talk]]) 01:38, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
:::Alright, in that case you can only cause someone to receive a notification by posting on their talk page. I will look in to getting a feature added to the site that will result in users being notified any time they are "tagged" (their page linked-to, that is). Let me know if you need anything else.--[[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 02:32, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
::::I have made some edits to the [[Rape in Islamic Law]], [[Kafir (Infidel)]] and [[Zina]] articles, please check if they are acceptable. Thanks —[[User:Raman|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman|talk]]) 14:15, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I saw your comment about a citation needed template. I made a simple one upon request a while back. https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Template:Citation_Needed It just adds the superscript tag, but if necessary it could at some point be enhanced with things like a link to the template / the relevant policy page, adding the page to a category like https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Category:Citations_Needed, adding an auto date and comment feature for the tooltip like on the wikipedia version. Alternatively, maybe the wikipedia one and its dependancies can be imported somehow.[[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 19:56, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
:Wonderful, thank you. I will contact exmoose and see if those features can be added. --[[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 20:57, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
::I have copied some matter from the Wikipedia article on Zina to the WikiIslam article on [[Zina]], please check if it is acceptable. Thanks.—[[User:Raman|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman|talk]]) 21:13, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
:::I will take a look Raman. For future reference, start a new "thread" on a talk page if introducing a new topic (your comment is not related to the discussion with Lightyears above). Also, all your edits appear on the [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Edits Page]] (you don't have to notify anybody to get your edits approved - all the editors can see them on this page and they will be reviewed by an editor as time permits).--[[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 21:21, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi there if it possible please reintroduce https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars#Main_Page to the main page. Thanks. Sauron

==Reversions==
Hi, IbnPinker. [[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] reverted my edits and wrote a note [[User_talk:Raman#Please never edit quotes with your own words|here.]]
:He should have edited it to make it conform to the rules here but he reverted it instead. I feel someone more experienced should look at those sentences and edit them to be acceptable here on WikiIslam. Please check the sentences that he removed and add them back to both the articles he has mentioned. Thanks!-[[User:Raman|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman|talk]]) 10:45, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
== Wikiquote ==
The wikiquote article on [https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Kafir Kafir] has many quotations from the Qur'an. Please copy the verses from the Qur'an and add it to our article also.-[[User:Raman|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman|talk]]) 08:47, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
:This is a good idea. It may make more sense to post about it on the talk page for [[Kafir]] and/or to add it as a suggestion on [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Tasks#Fleshing_Out|the tasks page in the "fleshing out" section]. Check out [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Frequently_Asked_Questions#Can_someone_do_XYZ_or_create.2Fedit_an_article_for_me.3F| this FAQ] as a general rule of thumb, by the way. [[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 18:22, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

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== How to ping other editors? ==

Hi, I asked a question [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Talk:Rape_in_Islamic_Law# here]. How do I ping other editors to reply?-[[User:Raman|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman|talk]]) 17:46, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
:Hey Raman, you just did. If you want to ping an editor directly (so that they get a notification) you have to leave a comment on their talk page, as you just left on mine. As for talk pages for specific articles, editing these will not send a notification to any editor unless those editors are "watching" the page (the little selectable star icon in the top right of the screen). Since activity on the wiki is a bit slow right now, there may not be so many other editors to interact with, but do feel free to msg admins/anyone you see is active via the [[Special:RecentChanges]] page. I will go ahead and leave a reply to your question on the rape in islamic law page now. Also, if you haven't already, be sure to review the [[WikiIslam:Talk_Pages|talk page guidelines]] Hope that helps. --[[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 21:11, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
::Actually, I just looked into it a bit further. MediaWiki (the wiki software) may notify editors if you link to their page as such: [[User:Raman]]. Try tagging me on the rape in Islamic law page, and let me know if this tag here resulted in your receiving a notification. Thanks --[[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 21:25, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
::No, I did not get any notification.-[[User:Raman|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman|talk]]) 01:38, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
:::Alright, in that case you can only cause someone to receive a notification by posting on their talk page. I will look in to getting a feature added to the site that will result in users being notified any time they are "tagged" (their page linked-to, that is). Let me know if you need anything else.--[[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 02:32, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
::::I have made some edits to the [[Rape in Islamic Law]], [[Kafir (Infidel)]] and [[Zina]] articles, please check if they are acceptable. Thanks —[[User:Raman|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman|talk]]) 14:15, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I saw your comment about a citation needed template. I made a simple one upon request a while back. https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Template:Citation_Needed It just adds the superscript tag, but if necessary it could at some point be enhanced with things like a link to the template / the relevant policy page, adding the page to a category like https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Category:Citations_Needed, adding an auto date and comment feature for the tooltip like on the wikipedia version. Alternatively, maybe the wikipedia one and its dependancies can be imported somehow.[[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 19:56, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
:Wonderful, thank you. I will contact exmoose and see if those features can be added. --[[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 20:57, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
::I have copied some matter from the Wikipedia article on Zina to the WikiIslam article on [[Zina]], please check if it is acceptable. Thanks.—[[User:Raman|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman|talk]]) 21:13, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
:::I will take a look Raman. For future reference, start a new "thread" on a talk page if introducing a new topic (your comment is not related to the discussion with Lightyears above). Also, all your edits appear on the [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Edits Page]] (you don't have to notify anybody to get your edits approved - all the editors can see them on this page and they will be reviewed by an editor as time permits).--[[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 21:21, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi there if it possible please reintroduce https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars#Main_Page to the main page. Thanks. @sauron

==Reversions==
Hi, IbnPinker. [[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] reverted my edits and wrote a note [[User_talk:Raman#Please never edit quotes with your own words|here.]]
:He should have edited it to make it conform to the rules here but he reverted it instead. I feel someone more experienced should look at those sentences and edit them to be acceptable here on WikiIslam. Please check the sentences that he removed and add them back to both the articles he has mentioned. Thanks!-[[User:Raman|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman|talk]]) 10:45, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
== Wikiquote ==
The wikiquote article on [https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Kafir Kafir] has many quotations from the Qur'an. Please copy the verses from the Qur'an and add it to our article also.-[[User:Raman|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman|talk]]) 08:47, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
:This is a good idea. It may make more sense to post about it on the talk page for [[Kafir]] and/or to add it as a suggestion on [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Tasks#Fleshing_Out|the tasks page in the "fleshing out" section]. Check out [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Frequently_Asked_Questions#Can_someone_do_XYZ_or_create.2Fedit_an_article_for_me.3F| this FAQ] as a general rule of thumb, by the way. [[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 18:22, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

User talk:IbnPinker

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Sauron: /* How to ping other editors? */

== How to ping other editors? ==

Hi, I asked a question [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Talk:Rape_in_Islamic_Law# here]. How do I ping other editors to reply?-[[User:Raman|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman|talk]]) 17:46, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
:Hey Raman, you just did. If you want to ping an editor directly (so that they get a notification) you have to leave a comment on their talk page, as you just left on mine. As for talk pages for specific articles, editing these will not send a notification to any editor unless those editors are "watching" the page (the little selectable star icon in the top right of the screen). Since activity on the wiki is a bit slow right now, there may not be so many other editors to interact with, but do feel free to msg admins/anyone you see is active via the [[Special:RecentChanges]] page. I will go ahead and leave a reply to your question on the rape in islamic law page now. Also, if you haven't already, be sure to review the [[WikiIslam:Talk_Pages|talk page guidelines]] Hope that helps. --[[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 21:11, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
::Actually, I just looked into it a bit further. MediaWiki (the wiki software) may notify editors if you link to their page as such: [[User:Raman]]. Try tagging me on the rape in Islamic law page, and let me know if this tag here resulted in your receiving a notification. Thanks --[[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 21:25, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
::No, I did not get any notification.-[[User:Raman|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman|talk]]) 01:38, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
:::Alright, in that case you can only cause someone to receive a notification by posting on their talk page. I will look in to getting a feature added to the site that will result in users being notified any time they are "tagged" (their page linked-to, that is). Let me know if you need anything else.--[[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 02:32, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
::::I have made some edits to the [[Rape in Islamic Law]], [[Kafir (Infidel)]] and [[Zina]] articles, please check if they are acceptable. Thanks —[[User:Raman|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman|talk]]) 14:15, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I saw your comment about a citation needed template. I made a simple one upon request a while back. https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Template:Citation_Needed It just adds the superscript tag, but if necessary it could at some point be enhanced with things like a link to the template / the relevant policy page, adding the page to a category like https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Category:Citations_Needed, adding an auto date and comment feature for the tooltip like on the wikipedia version. Alternatively, maybe the wikipedia one and its dependancies can be imported somehow.[[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 19:56, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
:Wonderful, thank you. I will contact exmoose and see if those features can be added. --[[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 20:57, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
::I have copied some matter from the Wikipedia article on Zina to the WikiIslam article on [[Zina]], please check if it is acceptable. Thanks.—[[User:Raman|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman|talk]]) 21:13, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
:::I will take a look Raman. For future reference, start a new "thread" on a talk page if introducing a new topic (your comment is not related to the discussion with Lightyears above). Also, all your edits appear on the [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Edits Page]] (you don't have to notify anybody to get your edits approved - all the editors can see them on this page and they will be reviewed by an editor as time permits).--[[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 21:21, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi there if it possible please reintroduce https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars#Main_Page to the main page. Thanks. https://wikiislam.net/wiki/User:Sauron

==Reversions==
Hi, IbnPinker. [[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] reverted my edits and wrote a note [[User_talk:Raman#Please never edit quotes with your own words|here.]]
:He should have edited it to make it conform to the rules here but he reverted it instead. I feel someone more experienced should look at those sentences and edit them to be acceptable here on WikiIslam. Please check the sentences that he removed and add them back to both the articles he has mentioned. Thanks!-[[User:Raman|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman|talk]]) 10:45, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
== Wikiquote ==
The wikiquote article on [https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Kafir Kafir] has many quotations from the Qur'an. Please copy the verses from the Qur'an and add it to our article also.-[[User:Raman|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman|talk]]) 08:47, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
:This is a good idea. It may make more sense to post about it on the talk page for [[Kafir]] and/or to add it as a suggestion on [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Tasks#Fleshing_Out|the tasks page in the "fleshing out" section]. Check out [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Frequently_Asked_Questions#Can_someone_do_XYZ_or_create.2Fedit_an_article_for_me.3F| this FAQ] as a general rule of thumb, by the way. [[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 18:22, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

2017-06-12T11:52:04Z

Sauron: /* Hi */

==[https://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Muhammads_Wives_and_Concubines#cite_note-92 List of Muhammad's Wives and Concubines]==
Hayat Al-Qulub Vol. 2, (pg 415) the 4th mentioned reference which you did not read, says:

:"“Who are they?” she inquired. '''''He replied''''', “Maryam, daughter of Imran, Kulthum, sister of Musa, '''''Asiya wife of Firon''''', all of whom, with yourself, '''''will be my wives in Paradise'''.”''
''
Please see our [[FAQ]]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 18:39, 17 January 2016 (EST)

How could anyone based islamic facts on one work by a twelver shia cleric that 90% of muslims deemed heretic? Muhammad Baqir Majlisi lived from 1616–1698 AD. The year which he lived is also so far away than bukhari/muslim/ibn sa'ad/ibnu hisham/ibnu ishaq. I wanted to share this page but then people would just laugh at me because the article used a truly fringe group's work as facts. You could state there/separate shia and sunni cleric's work. On top of that, no one in the early muslims community ever made the claim that Mr. Majlisi made.
:That is your claim that the certain text you want to remove belongs to a minority sect of Islam. Secondly even if the source is of a minority sect, the sources for all sects are used and accepted for criticism of Islam, because they are part of Islam. A sunni muslim will say they dont accept Shia sources and verse versa so if critics of Islam care about that, there will be no criticism in the end to talk about.
:Third, about the author of the book:
::''He has been described as "one of the most powerful and influential Shi'a ulema of all time",''
:Shia are 10% of the Muslim population and an important part as I mentioned.
:I bet there are other multiple sources for that information.
:Lastly whether or not Muhammad said that Queen Asiya will be his wife in Islamic heaven is a very minor issue compared to the bigger issues in Islam which WikiIslam talks about. I suggest you start clicking around and browsing through the pages. You can start with the [[QHS]] series or any of the [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Category:Core_Article Core articles] on the left.
:If you want to debate about Islam there are many forums on the internet. Some are mentioned here [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Resources_for_Former_Muslims#Other_Forums] Here's just one: [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/ FFI forum]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 18:14, 19 January 2016 (EST)

Thanks for the reply. My critic is purely academic. I am an ex-muslim and wikiislam is actually the best critical source i have found on islam. Still i would say adding a bracket(shia) information would probably be helpful. Also maybe could remove the sahih bukhari and muslim citation because it doesn't have anything to do with god marrying him to the girls.
: I dont know if you're an ex-Muslim or not, but you [https://wikiislam.net/index.php?title=List_of_Muhammads_Wives_and_Concubines&diff=113689&oldid=113651 removed] sourced information from the page twice and that is vandalism.
:Academically, ''all sources are all part of Islam'' and should be treated as such. As I said we cannot remove sourced text and we cannot start adding shia or Sunni or all the other sects of Islam to all the content.
:Are you having difficult debating with people about the topic? Its easy. Tell them the same thing I told you. All sources of Islam can be used for criticism of Islam. It is valid information and cannot be rejected simply because its found in one sect of Islam.
:The Quran doesnt say that all other sects of Islam are invalid, or anything like that. Does it? So what is your basis for asking to remove text from a Shite source?
:Also Majlisi is a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Baqir_Majlisi Shite] source. Why did you call it Ahmadiya in your edit history? Please respond to that.
:The other information/hadiths contain the other information that is mentioned in the piece of text. It all goes together.
:Basically again, you are wanting to removed sourced information from the page. We have spent enough time on this issue. As I pointed out its all sourced the fact that Muhammad said Queen Asiya will be one of his wives in heaven is a minor issue in Islam, compared to other more important issues.
:A valid criticism of this page is that the individual statements should have been sourced individually so its easy to cross-check. Thats something that you could have pointed out. If you agree, we can add it to the Tasks page. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 06:36, 20 January 2016 (EST)

I made a mistake thinking it was ahmadiyya because of the website that hosted the work. http://www.al-islam.org/ I thought it was an ahmadiyya but it was a shia website. https://www.alislam.org is an ahmadiyya website. I thought users could edit the work and the edit would then be moderated by say 10 moderators before it is approved? I am a panentheist maybe a pantheist one day but for now a panentheist. No religion, because 'God'/Nature/Zeus/Tao/whatever you want to call it already gave me Reason which is a Divine Scripture itself.

I don't think I properly understand your last statement, maybe yes i should agree. Probably only if the statement doesn't have a common theme like the ones i pointed out. The hadith points out that the 4 girls were perfect while the majlisi said god married muhammad to the girls. So, yes it shouldn't be in the same column.
:Ok.
:It would have been nice if the statements would have been individually sourced e.g. statement 1 (source 1). statement 2 (source 2). Instead its statement 1, and 2 (source 1 and 2). So its not clear what text is coming from which source. I've added it to the task list. It will be a difficult task but it would be nice if that was there. The author who wrote it suddenly saved a lot of text or else we would have told them how to do it.
:As for shia/sunni/other sects, I dont think it weakens criticism of Islam. It is up to the apologist to explain why a certain sect is invalid and they will be unable to do so as all sects think they're the most correct sect and cant offer any evidence for that claim. In reality they are equally valid (as parts of Islam and as sources for criticism) because again Quran never mentions which sect is the right one. If something is mentioned in minority sect 1, it doesnt mean it never happened. If the author is a known scholar, religious figure (like Majlisi), then it should be acceptable to use it as a source.
:People (nonbelievers of Islam in particular because they have no obligation to any sect) cannot fall into the trap of "one sect #1 is valid and everything else is invalid". --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 20:09, 20 January 2016 (EST)

Yes i agree that we could use different sects but it would still be better state the affiliation of the author(sect) so that viewers wouldn't just dismiss this website as mumbo jumbo just because there are statements that goes directly with their source/what they/their sect consider as valid. Btw, thanks.
:''"viewers wouldn't just dismiss this website as mumbo jumbo"'' - Those viewers already reject the website due to one reason or another because its critical of Islam so what they think of the website is not important.
:Tagging could be done due to other reasons but its not an easy task. People would have to decide, if its really important or not and worth doing, if its practical/beneficial, pros/cons, how to show the different sects (small super script notations e.g. how its done here [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Holy_Qur%27an:_Luqman_(Luqman)], notice the different superscript letters), which sects to show, what content is affected, how it affects translations/other language domains and so on.
:I think its a waste of time for now. There are a lot of other important things to do in our [[tasks]] page before something like this can be investigated. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 20:26, 21 January 2016 (EST)

Hi there, just wanting to know your thoughts. What is the best way to make someone learn the truth about islam? I tried to convince my brother but it seems that he always have an answer to every issues. I know that his answer was wrong but he seems to be so sure about it. I tried to rectify but he won't accept it. It seems impossible to make someone realise that this is an evil religion.
:Yes its very difficult to convince anyone about their religion of birth. You can try picking up one topic (for example evolution), become knowledgeable about it and be persistent. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 19:07, 26 January 2016 (EST)

Thank you. I'll try that. Seems pointless sometimes but yes i think maybe the best way is to focus on one topic.

== Hi ==

Are you active here? I needed some contacts from Exmna... Do you know any? [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 18:07, 11 June 2017 (EDT)

Not really active here. Sorry, yeah.

Jizyah

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2016-01-20T11:31:15Z

Sauron: /* List of Muhammad's Wives and Concubines */