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2015-11-18T07:28:19Z

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== Testimonies and private emails ==

Hi AX. When someone submits a new testimony, could you check to see if they have left an email at the bottom? It is to do with [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:Form/newapostate#Notes Notes #1] on the submission form that says:

:''"Consider providing a contact email address at the bottom of your testimony. If an email address is not submitted, then there may be difficulty in getting information altered/removed later on if such a request is made. Your email address will be wiped from the page history before being added to the wiki mainspace, meaning only administrators will be able to view it."''

The best thing to do is delete the email address and then wipe it from the history with an explanation (e.g. "Email (as per Notes #1 on the form)") so we know where to look if they ever contact us. These emails could be very private and I don't think they should be left out in the public for too long. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 01:51, 6 December 2014 (PST)
:Yea you're right they should not be left there for long. I'll try to keep an eye on it. We do database compaction sometimes so that removes the deleted page so maybe an option is to keep the emails locally on the computer or saved in an email account in a draft email, or we just remove the requirement of adding the email, or we ask them to send us an email when they submit their testimony so we have it privately on record. That will be the easiest for us. On another note could you check your email? --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 04:42, 6 December 2014 (PST)
::Thanks Ax, I'm reading it now. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 07:13, 6 December 2014 (PST)

== Dsarkosky ==

Hi Ax. That thing about "Porkistani/P*ki Muslims" was a mistake but not about 911. It's a racial slur (akin to the "N" word for blacks) against South Asians. This guy is clearly not an Arab, because an Arab would know the difference between my race and his. Mixing up Arabs with South Asians does happen, but it's usually troglodytes of European ancestry that do it. And it is mostly them who equate "p*ki" with "Muslim". I just thought I'd make you aware because I think America is the exception, and that word is not considered an insult over there. So obviously anything submitted to the site (even comments on talk pages) that contains that word would be going against the policies. Actually, any insults at all against race/ethnicity/nationality (e.g. "Porkistani") is against the policies.

Anyways, that "testimony" as a whole is crazy. Wow. So many calls for genocide in such a few amount of words. And lol at the "You need to eat bacon... to prove that you are no longer a Muslim" line. I'm a vegan, so with that line of thinking, it would mean that I must still be an under-cover Muslim. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 19:42, 3 January 2015 (PST)
:LOL. I just did an IP search and I was right. Whoever submitted that testimony did it from Western Europe. That's a long way from Oman (where he claims to originate) and Hong Kong (where he claims to now live). [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 19:49, 3 January 2015 (PST)
::Yea he mixed them up (said it was Pakistanis who did 9/11 when it was mostly people from Saudi arabia). Yea the bacon/pork requirement was strange. Oh I see so the IP did not match the locations. Good catch. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 12:37, 4 January 2015 (PST)

==Mia Khalifa==
Hi Axius, can we have an article on Mia Khalifa? She is in the news.[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 10:53, 10 January 2015 (PST)
:If it was appropriate for the site sure, but we would need someone to do it. According to Wikipedia she is/was not a Muslim ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mia_Khalifa] unverified) so if its thats true we would probably not have the article. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 18:52, 10 January 2015 (PST)
::Yeah. Apparently, she was born into a Muslim family but is a Christian now. So a page about a porn star who was simply born to Muslims wouldn't be appropriate. There are a lot of Middle-Eastern pornstars, and it's a fair bet that the majority of them are from a Muslim background. This is nothing extraordinary. At best, the Freedom of Speech (links) page should have a link added under the US section. But nothing more. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 01:57, 11 January 2015 (PST)

== Muhammad and Aisha Task ==

Hi Ax. I don't understand why you added [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=WikiIslam:Tasks&curid=7002&diff=111648&oldid=111431 this] task. I think it is a pretty terrible idea. Those two pages have two distinct purposes, so merging them makes no sense. It would in fact make it harder for readers to use to counter Muslim arguments, make the page ridiculously long, AND make our other pedophilia pages redundant (if you want to merge the "Refutation of Modern Apologetics Against Aisha's Age" with the "Responses to Apologetics: Muhammad and Aisha" page, then why not also merge the [[Aisha_Age_of_Consummation|Aisha's Age of Consummation]]" page with the "Responses to Apologetics: Muhammad and Aisha" page? It's the exact same situation).

The [[Refutation_of_Modern_Apologetics_Against_Aishas_Age|Refutation of Modern Apologetics Against Aisha's Age]] page refutes only a single, stand-alone apologetic argument. This argument is basically, '''"Some Islamic sources say Aisha was aged 12, 14, 15, 17, 18 and 21 when Muhammad had sex with her"'''. If you look at the [[Responses_to_Apologetics_-_Muhammad_and_Aisha|Responses to Apologetics: Muhammad and Aisha]] page, this is [[Responses_to_Apologetics_-_Muhammad_and_Aisha#Some_Islamic_sources_say_Aisha_was_aged_12.2C_14.2C_15.2C_17.2C_18_and_21_when_Muhammad_had_sex_with_her|argument number six]]. So basically what your new task is saying is to copy/paste that detailed, long and well-crafted stand-alone article under argument number six. I don't understand why you would even consider that a viable option. That one argument (that the hadith say Aisha was older) is practically as long as the page you want to merge it with, and that page contains 20+ different arguments.

Think about it from a reader's view: that's like a science teacher (WikiIslam) having a creationist student (Muslim) question one single aspect of evolutionary theory (Muhammad's pedophilia), but rather than give a detailed rebuttal to that single objection (Aisha's age according to hadith), the teacher slaps a 1000 page encyclopedia about the evolutionary theory in front of him and tells him to find the answer in there somewhere.

And like I mentioned earlier, merging this article also begs the question; why not merge every page concerning Mo and Aisha into that one page? [[Responses_to_Apologetics_-_Muhammad_and_Aisha#The_hadiths_do_not_say_Muhammad_had_sex_with_Aisha_when_she_was_9._They_have_been_poorly_translated|Argument number 4]] is '''"The hadiths do not say Muhammad had sex with Aisha when she was 9. They have been poorly translated"''', so why not delete the "[[The Meaning of Consummate]]" page and copy/paste that into "Responses to Apologetics: Muhammad and Aisha" too? [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 21:29, 1 March 2015 (PST)
:The only reason I can think of is that both titles have similar words in them ("Refutation/Response" and "Apologetics"). If that's the case, then only a name change is needed to more accurately reflect the topics of the pages. TBH not only does "Refutation of Modern Apologetics Against Aisha's Age" need its name changed, but so does the "Aisha's Age of Consummation" page. I remember you previously said you preferred to keep the title as it is simply because that's an early article. However, the "Aisha's Age of Consummation" page has a misleading title as its content is not really about Aisha's age of consummation. It's about whether or not Mo can be classed as a pedophile. "Refutation of Modern Apologetics Against Aisha's Age" should be renamed "Aisha's Age of Consummation" because that IS the actual topic of the page. And "Aisha's Age of Consummation" should be renamed "Muhammad and Pedophilia" or something like that. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 21:42, 1 March 2015 (PST)
::"Muhammad and the Clinical Definition of Pedophilia" is a good name. I'll rename these pages when I can. There is a fair bit of redirecting that I will also have to do. Also wanted to add that if I am correct about the reason, then as administrators we must base our decisions off more than a cursory glance at the title of a page. A merge of those two pages would have big repercussions, not least to the logical structure and quality of the site. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 21:49, 1 March 2015 (PST)
:::Oh. Yea I totally missed that the title was "Responses to ... ''Aisha's Age''". So it was only the issue of her age for that title. I think whoever was doing the task would have noticed this before they started the task. Thanks for noticing that. I'll look into this again later.
:::Thanks for fixing those redirects. I wish there was a bot that could fix it. I'll make that a task in a new section for things that could be done by bots. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 02:19, 2 March 2015 (PST)
::::Cool. Yeah, sometimes finding where exactly the inline links are within a page can be hard. You have to go over the page text a couple of times before noticing it. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 02:36, 2 March 2015 (PST)
:::::I do a CTRL-F for the link's partial/full name or the page's name. Google chrome has good search highlighting features. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 03:10, 2 March 2015 (PST)
::::::Thanks Ax. I just tried that and it works great. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 16:12, 2 March 2015 (PST)

== About my modifications ==

Webcitation just failed caching my link. My other links'cache are ok.
:Oh. Yea it failed mine too for that same link. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 05:23, 14 March 2015 (PDT)

::Heitri2. It does that on pages because they respect the "norobot" txt or something. On the other hand, Archive.is archives the page regardless, so that site can be used instead. We mention both services [[WikiIslam:Citing_Sources#Archived_Links|here]]. And really, this information should be known to editors before they start editing links in pages. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 15:44, 14 March 2015 (PDT)

==Finished Translating Health effects Dress==

Hi! I think I've finished translating the article [[Health Effects of Islamic Dress]] into Spanish as [[WikiIslam:Sandbox/Efectos sobre la Salud de la Vestimenta Islámica]]. Any suggestions will be welcomed for next tasks. Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Charles69|Charles69]] ([[User talk:Charles69|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Charles69|contribs]]) {{#if:| |}} ([[WikiIslam:Signatures#Signing_Posts|Remember to sign your comments]]) 
:Excellent. Thanks! I will wait for Sahab for finalizing this. [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins 72 virgins] is a great choice and any others from the [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Translations#Articles_to_Translate list]
:Sahab, help! I would try to do it but I'll miss some [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/User_talk:Sahab#Translation_steps steps.] --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 05:34, 18 March 2015 (PDT)
:I'll go for those chicks ;).--[[User:Charles69|Charles69]] ([[User talk:Charles69|talk]]) 05:57, 18 March 2015 (PDT)

== QURAN ERRORS ==

Quran verse describes the sun and the moon in parallel orbits, as Quran verse 36:40 says, "It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming."
'''Quran never ever said that, the earth moves or travels.'''

See Also: http://www.islam-watch.org/SyedKamranMirza/Erroneous-Science-and-Contradictions-in-Quran.htm AND http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Qur%27anic_scientific_foreknowledge (THIS SITE EXPLAINS THE CLAIMED FOREKNOWLEDE IS FALSE AND ALSO GIVES REFERENCES TO OTHER SITES)--[[User:AAA|AAA]] ([[User talk:AAA|talk]]) 15:27, 1 June 2015 (PDT)
:We have this article on the topic. Check it out: [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Geocentrism_and_the_Quran].
:Thanks for the links. I did not know about the "heavy clouds" errors in the Quran. I'll add it to our tasks page to review and add if suitable. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 19:34, 1 June 2015 (PDT)

::Islam says that even the almighty Allah can change his mind. It's contradictory because Islam claims Allah knows and creates everything.--[[User:AAA|AAA]] ([[User talk:AAA|talk]]) 10:27, 5 July 2015 (PDT)

== Vacuum ==

*Dr. Keith Moore and the Islamic additions (in Uzbek)

:Hi! How are you doing? Excuse my ignorance, I'm having trouble with the placement of this quote. Please, help[http://s17.postimg.org/5je8jiv7j/quote_move.jpg] Source: [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Doktor_Keyt_Mur_va_Islomiy_embriologiya] --[[User:Vacuum|Vacuum]] ([[User talk:Vacuum|talk]]) 20:18, 13 June 2015 :(PDT)
::Sorry I've been more busy than usual. Give me a few days and I'll look into it. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 14:09, 14 June 2015 (PDT)
:::I got it. Thank you. --[[User:Vacuum|Vacuum]] ([[User talk:Vacuum|talk]]) 05:53, 15 June 2015 (PDT)

* Ideas

:I think we should create a (hub) page on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia/ Pareidolia] and attach references to Islamic "sign miracles", such as [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Praying_Tree]; [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Trees_Tomatoes_and_Bronchi_Saying_Shahadah]; [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_Written_In_or_On_Various_Things]; --[[User:Vacuum|Vacuum]] ([[User talk:Vacuum|talk]]) 09:45, 16 June 2015 (PDT)
::We have it: [[Pareidolia]]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 02:26, 24 June 2015 (PDT)

== Sun is folded claim ==

Hi again. I went through tafsirs for "The Sun is folded up/it is flat disk" claim which was challenged by somebody on the scientific errors page some time ago. The tafsirs make even more errors on this topic [http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=109&tSoraNo=81&tAyahNo=1&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2] [http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1387&Itemid=137]. So this can go into the QHS article? and link the relevant section of Scientific Errors in Quran to it? [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 01:45, 26 July 2015 (PDT)
:You can add it to the Tasks page or a Sandbox page. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 06:47, 26 July 2015 (PDT)

== Spanish translations ==

Hi! I asked this to Sahab before but since he has been inactive, I ask you to check these two articles already finished: [[WikiIslam:Sandbox:Versos coránicos malinterpretados|Misinterpreted Qur'anic Verses]] and [[WikiIslam:Sandbox/Pedofilia en el Corán|Pedophilia in the Qur'an]]. Thanks! [[User:Aelu|Aelu]] ([[User talk:Aelu|talk]]) 09:03, 28 August 2015 (PDT)
:I probably didnt do as good as a job that Sahab does but I think I got it right: [[Pedofilia en el Corán]] and [[Versos coránicos malinterpretados]]. Thank you!
:I noticed these two words spelled differently. I assume thats how its supposed to be: Coránicas [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Art%C3%ADculos_en_espa%C3%B1ol_-_Articles_in_Spanish] 2nd bullet / coránicos [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Versos_cor%C3%A1nicos_malinterpretados] (also note, small capitals is used for the 2nd word). --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 17:41, 28 August 2015 (PDT)
::Yeah, they're spelled correctly, and thank you heheh :) -[[User:Aelu|Aelu]] ([[User talk:Aelu|talk]]) 16:24, 29 August 2015 (PDT)

== Italian==

Hi Axius, I've translated a new article, it's the "fastest growing religion".
:Ok. thanks. I think it needs this section [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Le_72_vergini#Vedi_anche Vedi anche] to be updated like other articles. Also it needs the Italian category.

:Also I think this section is not complete [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/La_religione_che_cresce_di_pi%C3%B9#Analisi]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 10:40, 19 September 2015 (PDT)

Hi Axius, I just amended the two articles, but I don't know how to translate the short phrase near the hub content in these articles, in the section "Vedi anche"...
Thank you very much for underlining my errors and oversights.
:Ok. I made a few other [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=La_religione_che_cresce_di_pi%C3%B9&type=revision&diff=112971&oldid=112966 fixes]. I will add these steps to the Check-list. I was able to see the fixes after looking at another previously translated [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Le_72_vergini article] and comparing the main elements (headings, formatting etc).
:I have linked the article in the various places now (main page, Italian articles and added a link from the English article).
:For References, is it "Riferimenti" or "Referenze"? The first term is used here [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Le_72_vergini]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 13:29, 20 September 2015 (PDT)

Hi, both of the terms could be used, but in this case it's better to use "Riferimenti". I'll use it in future articles.
I've also translated the article of "Taqiyya". but I can't translate the "Lying (Primary Sources)" of that page.
But.. it seems that I've accidentaly deleted (?) the original in english...
:The Italian version is saved and it can be moved into a new title called [[Taqiyya-it]] (following the example of [[Sunnah-fr]]). I have created the new page now.
:For 'Lying (Primary Sources)' we can make a new heading called 'Inglese' and list the EN link there. I did that too. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 16:19, 21 September 2015 (PDT)

== Translation of Pagan origins of Islam ==

Hi, I translate the article "Pagan Origins of Islam" here in my sandbox : http://wikiislam.net/wiki/User:Maxime/Sandbox_1, if you can tell me if the article is good or to correct, thanks. --[[User:Maxime|Maxime]] ([[User talk:Maxime|talk]]) 13:22, 19 September 2015 (PDT)
:Looks good, I made a few fixes [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=User%3AMaxime%2FSandbox_1&type=revision&diff=112978&oldid=112956 diff]. I added the translation links and category. I also changed the 'Références' heading after seeing thats the word used in a previous translation. Is that correct, or should it be 'References'?
: Let me know the final Page title and I will move it to the new title and make the various links. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 13:55, 20 September 2015 (PDT)
::Hi, yes you were right to correct "Reference" to "Références", I made the last corrections to franchify the whole article. It is now ready and the title of translation will be simply "Les origines païennes de l'Islam", thanks. --[[User:Maxime|Maxime]] ([[User talk:Maxime|talk]]) 05:20, 21 September 2015 (PDT)
:::Ok. I created the page and linked it now. Thank you! --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 16:34, 21 September 2015 (PDT)
==Authorise==
Please authorise my edit here: http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Rape_in_Islam&action=history

I added a ref and archived it. |You will find it useful--[[Special:Contributions/92.12.197.254|92.12.197.254]] 11:26, 27 September 2015 (PDT)
:Does that hadith add something new to that page? I see there are other hadiths that mention the same kind of thing (an explanation about 4:24). So could you go over the page and look at the existing sources and compare it to the hadith (Sunan Abu Dawud - Book 12, Hadith 110) you're linking? --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 14:40, 27 September 2015 (PDT)
:::That hadith was missing the source and translation. I gave a reference. Thats all--[[Special:Contributions/92.12.197.254|92.12.197.254]] 10:58, 3 October 2015 (PDT)
::::I've talked [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/User_talk:Sahab#Sunnah.com] to Sahab about sunnah.com and he said we can use it if no other source is available. So I would rather use that instead of quranx.com. We have to use websites that Muslims would be less likely to reject (and those with more authority) so for that reason we should use sunnah.com. I think this is the link for that hadith [http://sunnah.com/abudawud/12/110].
::::I agree it would be nice to add the reference (because USC.edu now is missing some of the hadith pages). --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 16:57, 3 October 2015 (PDT)

== Earth shape ==

Muslims have cited the following Qur'anic verse as miraculous, "After that (Allah) spread the Earth out (dahaha: from the verb 'daha')" [Quran 79:30]. This verse has been interpreted by many Muslims as foreshadowing the concept that the figure of the Earth has an oblate ellipsoid shape. Kamel Ben Salem's explanation for this is that "the ancient exegetes had earlier explained the Arabic verb (dahaha) by (has flattened it)" but that "the origin of this verb is found in the word (Ud-hiya)", which means "egg of ostrich", thus "the Earth would look like an ostrich’s egg" which is accurate with scientific data that confirms that the Earth is slightly flat at the poles very similarly to the shape of the egg of an ostrich. Rashad Khalifa alternatively translated the verse as: "he made the earth egg-shaped." However, this Muslim argument for scientific foreknowledge in the Qur'an is built on a popular misconception known as the "Myth of the Flat Earth". Knowledge of a spherical Earth has existed since the ancient Greeks. Hence the argument's attempt to present this piece of information as foreknowledge is inaccurate. Also the Earth is an oblate spheroid whereas an ostrich egg is a '''prolate''' spheroid.

The claim that the term "daha" refers to an "ostrich egg" is also disputed. The premise that the term "ud-hiya" is the root of the word "daha" is inconsistent with the fact that most Arabic words have a triconsonantal root. This premise is also not supported by the classical lexicons of the Arabic language. Lane's Arabic-English Lexicon, for example, reports that the term "daha" is rooted in the triconsonantal root, dal-ha-waw. The term "ud-hiya", on the other hand, is only a cognate of the word "daha". It is also noted in the entry for the term "daha" in Lane's lexicon that the word is used to signify any surface that has been spread out or flattened. Lane's lexicon also provides an example of the usage of the word with the following statement, "also, said of an ostrich, he expanded, and made wide, with his foot, or leg, the place where he was about to deposit his eggs". In a consistent manner, "udhiya" is defined as "The place of the laying of eggs, and of the hatching thereof, of the ostrich in the sand". It is not known whether this example, involving an ostrich and its egg, is the cause of the mistranslation of "daha" as an "ostrich egg".--[[User:AAA|AAA]] ([[User talk:AAA|talk]]) 12:34, 31 October 2015 (PDT)
:Ok, you can put this on a temporary user sandbox page for later use. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 05:09, 1 November 2015 (PST)

::Here's a source for it: http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/earth_egg.html --[[User:AAA|AAA]] ([[User talk:AAA|talk]]) 08:55, 1 November 2015 (PST)

== Joining the team translator (Indonesia) ==

Hi Axius,

Thank you. Yes, I think that's the approach I need. I apologize for the editing and re-editing unconvinience, I'm trying to improve my lack of vocabularies but the meaning is alike over time. I just want to make the message got better, comprehensively understandable for readers. Next time I'll make sure the edit is fix and final for review.
Anyway, this far I can see a translation into Bahasa Indonesia here but the task is not completed yet for public view. While actually in my priority ofcourse, regarding the number of Indonesian muslims majority don't speak English, please, would you consider opening sub domain for it? I will learn to contribute the translation into Bahasa; Please kindly advice.
Also thanks for all the good works you and the team have done, Wikiislam has been my prime preference all these time.

Sincerely,
Gon
:Ok, no problem. Yea sure, you can edit the page I linked for your testimony. You could edit that page in English where you could write a short account and then you could create another page in Indonesian (bahasa) e.g. [[User:Goncandu/Mengapa saya meninggalkan Islam]] (I used Google translate for 'Why I left Islam') and write your story in much more detail in Bahasa.
:We only have one page in Indonesian ([http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Sanggahan_Terhadap_Apologis_Muslim_Mengenai_Usia_Aisha]) which is sad considering its a big Muslim country, one of the most populous in fact. It is critical to reach people there.
:A sub-domain can opened after 25 translated articles and someone who can take care of the site (more information here [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Frequently_Asked_Questions#I_want_to_become_an_admin_and_open_up_my_own_language.27s_sub-domain._Can_I_start_one.3F]).
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Child Marriage in Islamic Law

2015-11-17T04:05:15Z

Surya:

<metadesc>Pedofilia adalah dibenarkan dalam Quran, dan dipraktikkan oleh Nabi Muhammad serta para Sahabatnya dan malah pada hari ini masih ramai umat-umat Islam yang masih mengamalkan jenayah ini atas alasan mengikuti sunnah.</metadesc>

Pedofilia adalah dibenarkan dalam [[Qur'an]], dan dipraktikkan oleh Nabi [[Muhammad]] serta para [[Sahabah|Sahabat]]nya, dan malah pada hari ini masih ramai umat-umat Islam yang masih mengamalkan jenayah ini atas alasan mengikuti [[Sunnah|Sunnah]].
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==Definition==
'''Pedophilia''' (US) or ''paedophilia'' (UK) is the paraphilia of being sexually attracted to prepubescent or peripubescent children.<ref>[http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Pedophilia.html Definition and scope of Pedophilia]</ref> A person with this attraction is called a ''pedophile'' or ''paedophile''.

Some pedophiles are sexually attracted to children only (exclusive pedophiles) whilst others are sexually attracted to both children and adults.<ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=46415|2=2011-06-29}} Definition of Pedophilia] - MedicineNet, April 27, 2011</ref><ref name="Mayo Clinic">Ryan C. W. Hall, MD, and Richard C. W. Hall, MD, PA, - "[http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/content/82/4/457.full.pdf+html?sid=80e46e23-3ba0-4fb7-a0c8-bc49932a5559 A profile of Pedophilia: Definition, Characteristics of Offenders, Recidivism, Treatment Outcomes and Forensic Issues]" - Page 459, April 2007;82(4):457-471 • www.mayoclinicproceedings.com</ref>

In contrast to the generally accepted medical definition, the term ''pedophile'' is also used colloquially to denote significantly older adults who are sexually attracted to adolescents below the local age of consent,<ref>Ames, A. & Houston, D. A. (1990). "Legal, social, and biological definitions of pedophilia." ''Archives of Sexual Behavior''. '''19''' (4), 333-342.</ref> as well as those who have sexually abused a child.

In contemporary law enforcement definitions, the term "pedophile" is generally used to describe those accused or convicted of the sexual abuse of a minor. Pedophilia is considered a taboo and is illegal in most societies, cultures and religions; except in the Islamic world with regards to [[Islam]].

==Scripture==

The following are summaries of pages discussing Islam, in relation to pedophilia:

===Islamic Writing and Pedophilia===
{{Main|Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Pedophilia|Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Aisha}}

There are many references in authentic Islamic scripture concerning the permissibility of pedophilia.

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|7|62|63}}|Narrated Sahl bin Sad:

While we were sitting in the company of the Prophet a woman came to him and presented herself (for marriage) to him. The Prophet looked at her, lowering his eyes and raising them, but did not give a reply. One of his companions said, "Marry her to me O Allah's Apostle!" The Prophet asked (him), "Have you got anything?" He said, "I have got nothing." The Prophet said, "Not even an iron ring?" He Sad, "Not even an iron ring, but I will tear my garment into two halves and give her one half and keep the other half." The Prophet; said, "No. Do you know some of the Quran (by heart)?" He said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "Go, I have agreed to marry her to you with what you know of the Qur'an (as her Mahr)." ''''And for those who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature). (65.4) And the 'Iddat for the girl before puberty is three months''' (in the above Verse).|}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|8|3311}}|'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that '''Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, ''and her dolls were with her;''''' and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.}}

===Pedophilia in the Qur'an===
{{Main|Pedophilia in the Qur'an}}

The Qur'an permits pedophilia. The following Qur'anic verse allows sex with pre-pubescent girls who have not yet menstruated.

{{Quote|{{Quran|65|4}}|And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, '''and of those too who have not had their courses'''; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.}}

What is being discussed is the Iddat (العدة‎), which is a waiting period a female must observe before she can remarry. According to this verse, the stipulated waiting period for a divorced girl who has not yet menstruated is three months.

===Muhammad Fits the Clinical Definition of a Pedophile===
{{Main|Muhammad and the Clinical Definition of Pedophilia}}

Muhammad was a pedophile, even according to the most stringent clinical definition of pedophilia - the DSM-IV-TR:
{{quote | 1=[http://www.psychiatryonline.com/content.aspx?aID=10307 PsychiatryOnline - Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition]|2=
'''A.''' Over a period of at least six months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger).
'''B.''' The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies caused marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.

'''C.''' The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.

''Note: This does not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12- or 13-year-old.''}}

Muhammad was engaged to Aisha when she was only 6 year old and he was 51, and consummated the marriage while she was still pre-pubescent, aged 9 [[Islamic Lunar Calendar|lunar years]] old. Thus he fulfilled all three requirements needed for a positive diagnosis.

===Muhammad's Companions and Pedophilia===
{{Main|Muhammad's Companions and Pedophilia}}

Besides Muhammad himself, his companions also committed pedophilia. Umar was the 2nd caliph of Islam and married Umm Kulthum at a time when she was 10-12 years old. Some sources even say that she was five years old when Umar married her.

{{Quote|Tarikh Khamees, Volume 2, p. 384 ('Dhikr Umm Kalthum') and Zakhair Al-Aqba, p. 168|

"'Umar asked 'Ali for the hand of his daughter, Umm Kulthum in marriage. 'Ali replied that '''she has not yet attained the age (of maturity)'''. 'Umar replied, 'By Allah, this is not true. You do not want her to marry me. If she is underage, send her to me'. Thus 'Ali gave his daughter Umm Kulthum a dress and asked her to go to 'Umar and tell him that her father wants to know what this dress is for. When she came to Umar and gave him the message, he grabbed her hand and forcibly pulled her towards him. 'Umm Kulthum asked him to leave her hand, which Umar did and said, 'You are a very mannered lady with great morals. Go and tell your father that you are very pretty and you are not what he said of you'. With that 'Ali married Umm Kulthum to 'Umar."}}

==Apologetics==

===Some Islamic Sources say Aisha was Really 17 or 18 Years Old===
{{Main|Aishas Age of Consummation|l1=Aisha's Age of Consummation}}

Some Muslim apologists have recently claimed that Aisha was actually older than nine lunar years at time of the consummation of her marriage to Prophet Muhammad. They have attempted to explain that Aisha was in fact not nine-years-old as the Sahih hadiths of her own testimony claim, but some other ages derived from misquotations, indirect sources, fuzzy dating techniques and slander. These dubious research techniques have led to several conflicting ages to be proposed for Aisha at the time of consummation, including 12, 14, 15, 17, 18 and 21 years.

This article analyzes every single argument put forward by these apologists, and provides additional information on the origins and history of the "Aisha was older" apologetic arguments, and the only logical purpose behind making them.

On closer inspection of these polemics you will discover that the various claims can be broadly categorized into these categories; unjustified slanders against Hisham ibn Urwah and the Iraqi narrators, the use of non-sahih information to refute otherwise sahih hadiths, the use of secondary and indirect sources in preference of direct testimonies, the use of ‘imprecise’ dating in preference to specific dates and statements of age, the use of misquoted references and erroneous information, the use of incorrect logic, and personal opinion.

Aisha was nine lunar years old at the time her marriage to the Islamic prophet was consummated and there is simply no valid evidence that suggests otherwise. The majority of Muslims today, including both scholars and the general Muslim population, agree. This has been the mainstream Muslim understanding throughout Islam's 1,400 year history, and many of these honest Muslims take offense to these lies propagated by Muslim apologists who are embarrassed by their own prophet's actions.

===The Meaning of 'Consummate'===
{{Main|The Meaning of Consummate}}

Some Muslim apologist refuse to accept the existence of narrations given by Aisha in which she states that she was married to Prophet Muhammad when she was six years old and that he consummated his marriage with her when she was nine lunar years of age, even though these are recorded in Bukhari's sahih ahadith collection.

These apologists will usually resort to questioning the English translation of Dr. Mushin Khan, without addressing the ahadith in their original Arabic. A reading of the relevant Bukhari ahadith make it clear that Muhammad had sexual intercourse with Aisha when she was nine years of age.

The terms used are: "udkhilath" and "bana biha", which can only mean "sexual intercourse" in the context of the ahadith. The confusion from Muslims regarding this comes from their lack of understanding regarding the English phrase "consummation of marriage", their ignorance of Arabic and their unwillingness to admit that their prophet had sexual intercourse with a nine year old child.

===Pedophilia and the Tu Quoque Defense===
{{Main|Joseph the Pedophile|l1=Joseph the Pedophile|A Refutation of 'The Islamophobe's Glass House'}}

This article refutes the claim that Joseph, the husband of Mary (the mother of Jesus Christ), was a pedophile, a popular yet erroneous tu quoque argument used to defend Prophet Muhammad's pedophilic marriage to Aisha.

Upon reading the non-canonical apocrypha, the Christian equivalent of da`if (weak) or maudu (fabricated) hadith, we find it does not say Mary married Joseph when she was aged only 12. It in fact says she was possibly 17 years of age at the time the marriage was eventually consummated, if ever (Mary's perpetual virginity, the belief that Mary remained a virgin her entire life, is an essential article of faith for the majority of the world's Christians).

The most decisive argument against the claim that Joseph was a pedophile is the fact that the same non-canonical writings which are used to gather information on Joseph and Mary's age, also confirm Mary's status as "ever virgin" (in The History of Joseph the Carpenter, Jesus says on Joseph's death "my mother, virgin undefiled").

===Miscellaneous Apologetics Used to Defend Muhammad's Actions===
{{Main|Responses to Apologetics - Muhammad and Aisha|l1=Responses to Apologetics: Muhammad and Aisha}}

This article refutes miscellaneous apologetics which may not be fully covered in our other articles, but are used by some to justify the marriage between the Islamic Prophet Muhammad and his six-year-old bride Aisha.

The 26 different excuses covered include; Muhammad can't be a pedophile because he also had sex with grown women, pedophiles prefer children but Muhammad had many adult wives and only one child-bride, at that time it was okay to have sex with 9 year-olds in Arabia, people lived shorter life spans back then, and menstruation in hot climates starts earlier than in cold ones, so girls in Arabia matured as early as nine.

==Modern World==

===Contemporary Pedophilic Islamic Marriages===
{{Main|Contemporary Pedophilic Islamic Marriages}}

Due to its many endorsements within Islamic scripture, child marriages are permitted by the majority of Muslim scholars and leaders, and in many Islamic countries it is common practice.
Girls far below the age of puberty are forcibly married to older persons (sometimes in their 50s and later) for various personal gains by the girls' guardian or with the intention to preserve family honor by helping her avoid pre-marital sex.

Pedophilic Islamic marriages are most prevalent in Pakistan and Afghanistan, followed by other countries in the [[Middle East]] and Bangladesh.<ref>[http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=1631 America Magazine: Child Marriage in Afghanistan and Pakistan, by Andrew Bushell; March 11, 2002]</ref><ref>[http://www.americansforunfpa.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=630 Americans For UNFPA: Virtual Slavery: The Practice of “Compensation Marriages” by Net Community of AfUNFPA; last retrieved Monday, 08 December 2008]</ref> This practice may also be prevalent to a lesser extent amongst other Muslim communities, and is on the rise among the growing Muslim populations in many non-Muslim countries, such as the United Kingdom<ref name="Ten-fold rise in forced marriages in just four years">[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196955/Ten-fold-rise-forced-marriages-just-years.html Ten-fold rise in forced marriages in just four years] - The Daily Mail July 2, 2009</ref> and the United States.<ref>Christine Vendel - [http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/1557578.html?pageNum=2&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container Man charged with statutory rape in ‘marriage’ to 14-year-old girl] - The Kansas City Star, November 8, 2009</ref>

In countries like Yemen, Bangladesh, Iran, and Northern Nigeria, attempts at reforming laws and banning child marriages have been opposed and stopped on the grounds that such a ban would be un-Islamic,<ref name="TONOV282008">{{cite web|url= http://www.wunrn.com/news/2008/11_08/11_24_08/112408_nigeria.htm|title= Nigeria Child Brides-Broken Lives |publisher= Times Online|author= |date= November 28, 2008|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wunrn.com%2Fnews%2F2008%2F11_08%2F11_24_08%2F112408_nigeria.htm&date=2013-06-15|deadurl=no}}</ref><ref name="TNTJuly212013">{{cite web |url= http://thenigeriatoday.net/i-could-marry-off-my-six-year-old-daughter-if-i-so-wished-senator-ahmed-yerima-replies-critics/|title= I Could Marry Off My Six Year Old Daughter If I So Wished, Senator Ahmed Yerima Replies Critics|publisher= The Nigeria Today|author= |date= July 21, 2013|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fthenigeriatoday.net%2Fi-could-marry-off-my-six-year-old-daughter-if-i-so-wished-senator-ahmed-yerima-replies-critics%2F&date=2013-07-22|deadurl=no}}</ref><ref name="Weekly Blitz">[http://www.weeklyblitz.net/1386/islamist-leader-threatens-of-waging-jihad Islamist leader threatens of waging Jihad] - Weekly Blitz, April 20, 2011</ref><ref name="MESSAGE">Yessir - [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.abigmessage.com/child-marriage-death-of-13-year-old-bride-after-wedding.html|2=2011-10-25}} Child Marriage - Death Of 13 Year Old Bride After Wedding] - A BIG MESSAGE, April 10, 2010</ref><ref name="IRIN">[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=88589|2=2011-10-25}} YEMEN: Deep divisions over child brides] - IRIN, March 28, 2010</ref> and in the case of Malaysia, the growing Muslim population has effectively turned back the clock on social progress by passing new laws which allow for the practice of pedophilic marriages specifically between followers of Islam.<ref name="World News Australia">[{{Reference archive|1=http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/outcry-over-malaysian-child-marriages-20100804-11fey.html|2=2011-10-25}} Outcry over Malaysian child marriages] - Sydney Morning Herald, August 4, 2010</ref>

So one has to agree that whatever reasons and justification people may give for the prevalence of child marriages in Muslim-majority nations, without Islam this practice would have long been discarded as immoral and unacceptable in the modern world.

===Muslim Statistics on Pedophilia===
{{Main|Muslim Statistics - Children|l1=Muslim Statistics (Children)}}

This page consists of various statistics concerning Islam and children. A small sample include:

#4 out of 5 Middle-Eastern women are sexually abused between the ages of 3 and 6 by family members.
#More than half of all Yemeni girls are married before reaching the age of puberty.
#With more than 3,900 children within 6 months, Indonesia tops the UN bodies list for child trafficking cases
#2,000 child sex abuse claims in 1 year at Pakistani Islamic schools, but not even 1 successful prosecution

===Pedophilia Discussed in Arabic/Islamic Media===
{{Main|Pedophilia (Translations of Arabic/Islamic Media)}}

This hub page contains English translations of various Arabic/Islamic media discussing pedophilia.

{{Quote|1=[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.islamonline.net/ar/IOLCounsel_C/1278406761316/1278406720653/هل-يجوز-تحديد-سن-زواج-للفتيات؟-|2=2011-02-03}} Is it permissible to restrict the age at which girls can marry?] Submitted by Ahmad, IslamOnline, December 24, 2010|2=The Noble Qur'an has also mentioned the waiting period [i.e. for a divorced wife to remarry] for the wife who has not yet menstruated, saying: "And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated" [Qur'an 65:4]. Since this is not negated later, we can take from this verse that it is permissible to have sexual intercourse with a prepubescent girl. The Qur'an is not like the books of jurisprudence which mention what the implications of things are, even if they are prohibited. It is true that the prophet (PBUH) entered into a marriage contract with 'A'isha when she was six years old, however he did not have sex with her until she was nine years old, according to al-Bukhari.

Therefore the issue is fixed in the Qur'an and the Sunnah. There is no jurisprudence without it being accused of being a 'male jurisprudence'!!! For a portion of the women in our day deny the jurisprudential efforts of scholars with the accusation that their masculinity leads them to jurisprudence which is in their best-interest, and against women. It appears that those who are led by this idea have the image stuck in their minds of a father or shaykh of a mosque, who would resort to religion. As this was his (description), it was not desirable. But this is not how it was, according to what was related by Allah Almighty: "But if the right is on their side, they come to him with all submission" [Qur'an 24:49]. Wherefore the history of jurisprudence is abounding [with examples] which dispel this mania, and this is not the place to lay them all out. But what can those who follow the Western feminist agenda say to this Qur'anic text, and to the marriage of the Prophet to 'A'isha (may Allah be pleased with her)!!!}}

==Miscellaneous==

===The Harmful effects of Abuse, Documented in Islamic Scripture===
{{Main|The Tragedy of Aisha}}

It is no secret that sexual abuse of children has serious consequences on its victims and, among Muslims and non-Muslims alike, it is no longer a secret that the Qur'an explicitly condones pedophilia. Of course, for Muslims to finally acknowledge the harmful effects of abuse on a child it becomes necessary for us to expose those effects through authentic Islamic sources. That is why we find Aisha, Muhammad's third and "favorite" wife, to be the perfect model for assessing pedophilia and its consequences on the victims. The life of Aisha bint Abu Bakr truly was a seventh century tragedy.

===Muhammad a Pedophile? Another Look===
{{Main|Was Muhammad a Pedophile?}}

A second look at the question; was Muhammad a pedophile? One of the most disturbing things about Islam is that it does not categorically condemn pedophilia. Indeed, it cannot, for to do so would draw attention to the pedophilia of Muhammad, the founder of Islam. Many Muslims cannot condemn pedophilia even if they would like to, for they would have to abandon Islam. Muslims tacitly approve of pedophilia, even if they are embarrassed to say so. So mesmerized are Muslims by the example of Muhammad's pedophilia that they are unable to categorically denounce pedophilia or feel shame. It is prevalent in many Muslim countries disguised as child marriage. The UN is today trying to stop the evil of child marriage among the backward Islamic regions of Asia and Africa. The future of some 300 million young girls depends on it.

===Aisha was Still Pre-pubescent Aged Fifteen===
{{Main|Aisha and Puberty}}

The doll-playing exegesis used in "Aisha's Age of Consummation" in itself proves Aisha's status as pre-pubescent at the time of the consummation of her marriage to Muhammad, but most Muslims are unaware that the Sahih ahadith say that Aisha, was below the age of puberty when she was at least fourteen years old, and remained in that state till the age of sixteen. This is because they have never read the Sahih ahadith in Arabic.

The narrators of the Sahih ahadith were not ashamed that Muhammad had married and had sexual relations with Aisha when she was below the age of puberty. Hence, from the original Arabic, it is clear that Aisha was below the age of puberty at the age of 14 (at the time of the raid on the Bani Mustaliq) or 15 (at the time of the Ethiopian slaves dancing incident), and begun her first menstrual period at the age of 16 (during the journey for hajj).

===Quotes on Muhammad Relating to Pedophilia===
{{Main|Quotes on Muhammad Relating to Pedophilia}}

This page consists of quotes relating to Muhammad's pedophilia made by notable individuals. For example, Simon Ockley, who was chosen Adams Professor of Arabic at Cambridge University:

{{Quote||An Arabian author cited by Maracci,<ref>Marac. Vita Mahometis, p. 23. </ref> says that Abubeker was very averse to the giving him his daughter [Ayesha, who was then but seven years old] so young, but that Mohammed pretended a divine command for it; whereupon he sent her to him with a basket of dates, and when the girl was alone with him, he stretched out his blessed hand (these are the author’s words), and rudely took hold of her clothes; upon which she looked fiercely at him, and said, “People call you the faithful man,<ref>Abulfeda says he was called Al Amin, “the faithful one,” when he was young. </ref> but your behaviour to me shows you are a perfidious one.” And with these words she got out of his hands, and, composing her clothes, went and complained to her father. The old gentleman, to calm her resentment, told her she was new betrothed to Mohammed, and that made him take liberties with her, as if she had been his wife.<ref>Simon Ockley. ''The History of the Saracens'' ([{{Reference archive|1=http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/History_of_the_Saracens/Life_of_Mohammed/Part_I|2=2013-02-05}} Life of Mohammed, Part I]). 6th Edition. London: Henry G. Bohn. 1857 </ref>}}

==See Also==

'''Articles'''

*[[Concerns with Islam: Child Marriage]]
{{Hub4|Sex|Sex}}
{{Hub4|Children|Children}}

'''Multimedia'''

*[[Videos on Islam: Pedophilia]]

'''Satire'''

*[[Aisha (Farsideology)]]

'''Other Core Articles'''

''Core articles contain an overview of other articles related to a specific issue, and serve as a starting point for anyone wishing to learn about Islam:''
* [[Islam and Apostasy]]
* [[Islam and Homosexuality]]
* [[Islam and Miracles]]
* [[Islam and Propaganda]]
* [[Islam and Science]]
* [[Islam and Scripture]]
* [[Islam and the People of the Book]]
* [[Islam and Violence]]
* [[Islam and Women]]

==External Links==

* [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4959002.ece|2=2011-06-01}} Link between child porn and Muslim terrorists discovered in police raids]
* [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.sex-in-islam.com/amar.khan/Pedophilia-in-Islam.htm|2=2011-06-01}} A Complete Guide to Pedophilia in Islam]
* [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5541006|2=2011-06-01}} Images of pedophilic Islamic marriages]
* [http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23452&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 Let's clear up all this pedophilia garbage...] ''- Forum discussion on another defence of Muhammad's marriage to a child''

'''News regarding Pedophilia among non-Muslims'''

* [http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090928/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_poland_castration Poland okays forcible castration for paedophiles] ''(9/28/2009) - related:'' [[w:Chemical castration|Chemical castration]] ''at wikipedia ''

==References==
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