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'''Zakir Abdul Karim Naik''' (born October 18, 1965) is an Indian apologist for [[Islam]]. He travels extensively and has been featured at many Islamic conferences.

A medical doctor by training, Naik read modern scientific findings into the [[Qur'an]], [[Hadith]] and other religious scriptures as a basis for spreading ''Dawah'' (Islamic proselytism). He also makes arguments based off of his understanding a philosophical logic and the comparative study of other religions vis-a-vis Islam.

==History and Background==

Naik studied at St Peter's High School and Kishinchand Chellaram College. Later, he received a bachelor's degree in medicine at the Karnataka Lingayat Education Society's J. N. Medical College, Belgaum, Karnataka. He heads the Islamic Research Foundation, based in Mumbai. He is also the chairman of the IRF Educational Trust, and the president of Islamic Dimensions. Naik is the founder of the Islamic International School.

==His Views==

Naik claims to offer a rational understanding of Islam. Various aspects of Islamic law, [[Islamic Law|Shari'ah]], he says, may seem illogical to non-Muslims, or non-practicing Muslims; Naik claims these rules are sensible. Islam, in his view, is the best way of life because its teachings constitute practical solutions for the problems of mankind.

===Idol Worship in Islam===

Naik was once asked: "Muslims go on a pilgrimage to Mecca and worship the Kaba'h by circumabulating it and kissing the black stone. Is that not idol worship?" Naik replied: {{Quote||"It is not idol worship. The Kaba'h represents a common direction for prayer and by circling it, Muslims feel that there is one God in the center. Muslims kiss the Kaba'h only because Muhammad kissed it."}} Naik goes on to say: {{Quote||"Which Hindu will stand on the idol of their deity? But Muhammad stood on the Kaba'h during the call for prayer during early times of Islam. This is the best proof that there is no idol worship in Islam but present in Hinduism."}}

===Adoption in Islam===
Naik believes that Muslims are allowed to adopt children but that such adoption cannot have a legal status under Islamic law. Giving the adopted child a legal name (of the parent) is something he considers forbidden. Also, once the child grows up, the female members of the family must treat him as a non-mahram (stranger) and observe [[hijab]] (be veiled) in his presence.<ref>[http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1536229582215533067 Zakir Naik - Questions and Answers in Urdu 2 of 4] (15:40 in the video link)</ref>

===Punishment for Apostasy===

Naik believes that the Islamic injunction prescribing death for [[Islam and Apostasy|apostasy]] - those who leave the faith - is justified. He compares it to death penalties meted out to national traitors (army generals who defect being the example cited) and proclaims that apostates fall into the same category.<ref>[http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2355640483472559724 Zakir Naik - Questions and Answers 4 of 4] (30:15 in the video)</ref>

===Music===

Naik asserts that all instrumental [[Islamic_law#Music_and_Art|music]] is haraam (forbidden), except a one-membraned drum.<ref>[http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2355640483472559724 Zakir Naik - Questions and Answers 4 of 4]</ref>

===Riba or Interest===

Naik believes that Muslims should not receive, give or witness interest-related financial transactions. He declares that it is haraam (forbidden) for Muslims to own and use credit cards. He also says that taking loans or getting insurance is prohibited. He takes this further and says that it is also forbidden for Muslims to work in banks.<ref>[http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6764140312571143775 Zakir Naik - Questions and Answers in Urdu 3 of 4] (11:12 and 13:18 in the video link)</ref> His supporters claim that his comments are relevant only in the context of banks dealing with interest.

===Islamic Dietary Laws===

Observant Muslims do not eat pork. Naik argues that pork is forbidden because the swine is a dirty animal by nature, and that its flesh is the source of many diseases:
{{Quote||"The pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth. It lives and thrives on muck, faeces and dirt. It is the best scavenger that I know that God has produced." }} Naik also believes that diet has psychological/ethical consequences and one is what one eats : {{Quote||"The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; many say 'you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife.' If you eat pigs then you behave like pigs" }} He also says: {{Quote||"Eating of pork can cause no less than seventy different types of diseases. A person can have various helminthes like roundworm, pinworm, hookworm, etc." <ref>IRF.net: Misconceptions About Islam (FAQs) Question 11 of Section A</ref>}}

===Hijab===

Naik supports the practice of [[hijab]], or the covering of a woman's [[aura]]. He writes that in Islam, a woman is required to cover herself entirely except for her face and hands up to her wrists. He claims that [[Islam]] thus protects women from the lust of men. For men, he prescribes looking away from women if immodest thoughts enter their minds.

===Polygamy===

Naik argues that [[Polygamy|polygyny]], or the Muslim practice of taking up to four wives is justified as it is in the best interest of both women and men. He claims it protects the modesty of women, while keeping men from going astray. He writes in his website that human males are polygamous by nature and that a man is less likely to cheat if he has more than one wife. He also believes that there are more marriageable women than men in the world and claims: {{Quote||"If every woman got married to only one man, there would be over thirty million females in U.S.A, four million females in Great Britain, 5 million females in Germany and nine million females in Russia who would not find a husband. Thus the only two options before a woman who cannot find a husband is to marry a married man or to become public property."}}

It should be noted that the numbers he cites seem outdated, stemming from the time many men had died recently in world war II. Today there are more males born than females, particularly in some countries like India and China for cultural reason, so from a purely arithmetic point of view, it would be no problem to match every woman with a male.

Naik points to {{Quran|4|3}} to explain the Muslim position on polygyny. This verse explains that a man can take more than one wife only if he is able to treat them equally. If he cannot do this, he should have a relationship with only one wife and/or "what your right hands possess" (i.e. female slaves and concubines). <ref>IRF.net: Misconceptions About Islam (FAQs) Question 01 of Section A</ref>

===A woman's Value as a Witness===

{{Quran|2|282}} says that [[Women are Deficient in Intelligence|two female witnesses are equal to one male witness]]. According to Naik's interpretation, this verse deals only with financial transactions and murder cases. Naik says: {{Quote||"In financial transactions, two men are preferred. Islam expects men to be the breadwinners of their families. Since financial responsibility is shouldered by men, they are expected to be well versed in financial transactions as compared to women. As a second option, the witness can be one man and two women, so that if one of the women errs the other can remind her." }} Naik extends this thought to murder cases and says: {{Quote||"... the feminine attitude can also have an effect on the witness in a murder case. In such circumstances a woman is more terrified as compared to a man. Due to her emotional condition she can get confused. Therefore, two female witnesses are equivalent to one male witness."<ref>IRF.net: Misconceptions About Islam (FAQs) Question 13 of Section A</ref>}}

===Charity===

Islam prescribes [[Zakat]], or obligatory charity towards other Muslims.<ref>Haytham bin Jawwad al-Haddad - [http://www.islamicawakening.com/viewarticle.php?articleID=984 The way of giving Zakat al-Fitr in non-Islamic Lands] Islamicawakening</ref> Ideally, every Muslim who has assets in gold, silver, livestock, savings and currencies that exceed the nisaab level should give 2.5% of those assets every [[Islamic Lunar Calendar|lunar year]] to charity.

Naik believes that if Muslims followed Islamic law in this regard, poverty among Muslims could be eliminated.<ref>IRF.net: Misconceptions About Islam (FAQs) Question 17 of Section A</ref>

===Prosecution of Criminals===

Between Muslims, Shari'ah prescribes capital [[punishment]] for crimes such as murder and [[Rape in Islam|rape]] -- unless the victim's family either forgives the culprit or receives blood money, or both.

Naik believes that these penalties are necessary to prevent rape and murder, and that these penalties would ultimately make for a safer society.<ref>IRF.net: Misconceptions About Islam (FAQs) Question 17 of Section A</ref>

===Permissible food in Islam===

In a 2006 TV appearance, Naik declared that it was forbidden, for Muslims to eat prasad. Prasad is food offered to Hindu deities and then shared with friends and family; it is believed to convey blessings and good fortune. Naik said that too many Muslims say '[[W:Basmala|Bismillah]]' over the food, and eat it to please their friends. Naik claims that the following verse from the Qur'an forbids the eating of prasad: {{Quote|{{Quran|6|121}}|''Eat not of (meats) on which Allah's name hath not been pronounced: That would be impiety. But the evil ones ever inspire their friends to contend with you if ye were to obey them, ye would indeed be Pagans.''}}

===Wishing Christians a Merry Christmas===

In a 2003 speech in Toronto, Naik asserts that it is forbidden for Muslims to wish their Christian friends a merry Christmas. Naik believes that this common greeting acknowledges Jesus as a son of God and is thus blasphemy for Muslims.

===Implementing Shari'ah in India===

Naik writes that while he appreciates that India presently allows Muslims to have their own personal law: {{Quote||"Muslims in India would prefer the Islamic criminal law (Shariah) to be implemented on ''all Indians'' since it is the most practical."<ref>IRF.net: Misconceptions About Islam (FAQs) Question 08 of Section C</ref> }}
Some have criticized Naik for trying to subvert basic democtatic rights in India (for promoting Shari'ah) by exploiting the same freedoms given to him in Indian democracy. He is considered one of the leading "Parasitic Intellectual Jihadis" in the democratic world for this reason. A Parasitic Intellectual Jihadi is one who exploits the very freedom and equal rights given to him in a non-Muslim majority nation to subvert the same for non-Muslims.

==Debates and Dialogues==

Naik sometimes participates in debates as part of his public activities. His supporters find two events notable:

===Debate in Chicago===

One of the featured activities at the 2000 Chicago ICNA Conference (a gathering of American Muslims) was a debate titled "''The Quran & the Bible in the Light of Modern Science''", between Naik and a Christian medical doctor named William F. Campbell. Campbell took three years out of his practice to write a book called ''[http://answering-islam.org.uk/Campbell/contents.html The Qur'an and the Bible in the light of history and science]'', which he conceived as a rebuttal to Maurice Bucaille's [http://www.islam101.com/science/bucaille.html ''The Bible, The Qur'an, and Science'']. Each of the debaters tried to discredit the other's scripture by parsing out verses from their counterpart's Holy Scripture and pointing out perceived errors. The debate can be downloaded [http://www.true-muslim.com/download.php?id=103 here].

===Inter-Religious Dialogue in Bangalore===

An "Inter-Religious dialogue for Spiritual Enlightenment" was held on the 21st of January 2006 at Bangalore. Naik and the founder of the Art of Living, Sri Ravi Shankar, spoke on the topic 'The Concept of God in Hinduism and Islam , in the light of sacred scriptures.'

This was by far the biggest dialogue in which Naik participated and can be viewed [http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8457665130451146736&q=zakir+naik+ravi here].

During the event, Naik said, "religious tolerance is important in Islam but tolerance does not mean acceptance." He claimed that people of other religions were misguided and said, "Muslims would have a problem with the Hindu imagery of the god Vishnu." Naik also claimed that the Vedas prophesize the coming of the prophet Muhammad for which Ravi shankar replied, "Muslims should now respect the Vedas and not call it scriptures of the unbelievers."

===Challenge to Pope Benedict XVI===

On September 29, 2006, Naik invited Pope Benedict XVI for open interfaith dialogue.
<ref>[http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?155694 Zakir Naik invites Pope Benedict XVI for open interfaith dialogue] </ref>

===Challenge to Dr. Zakir Naik from Indian Christians===

Sakshi: an apologetics network in India has now challenged Dr. Zakir Naik to a debate.
{{Quote|1=[http://www.sakshitimes.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=246&Itemid=42 Can any Christian answer Dr. Zakir Naik? Yes-many]|2=We would like to let Dr. Zakir Naik know that Indian Christians though poor and few in number are now ready to debate with Dr. Zakir Naik on any topic that examines both the religions. We, at Sakshi, express our willingness if Dr. Zakir Naik wants an Indian Christian to debate whatever the cost might be. Please let us know if you have contact with Dr. Zakir Naik'}}

===Ali Sina's Challenge===

Internet debater Ali Sina's offer to Naik for a written debate has remained unanswered for over 3 years.<ref>Faithfreedom.org - [http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/ZakirNaik.htm The Challenge to debate with Dr. Zakir Naik] </ref>

After numerous attempts to reach out to Naik, Sina has been instructed by Naik's assistants that Naik does not participate in written debate. Sina has instead been posed a counter challenge by Naik's supporters to arrange for a live audience of at least 10,000 people. Sina, in counter claim, says this demand is not justified and cites the threat to his life from Islamic terrorists as well as the lack of time in a televised debate. He has instead offered to publish the written debate on his website. <ref>Faithfreedom.org - [http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/ZakirNaikp2.htm The Challenge to debate with Dr. Zakir Naik p2] </ref>

===Refusal to Debate Sam Shamoun===

{{Quote|1=[http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Naik/index.htm Responses to Zakir Naik - Answering-Islam]|2=Just like Ali Sina, we regularly receive challenges from Muslims that we should debate with Zakir Naik. We are ready, we have said so to Zakir Naik and his team. It is Zakir Naik who refuses to face our debate representative Sam Shamoun.}}

==Naik's Supporters==

Naik supporters claim that Naik can quote, from memory, Islamic scriptures like the Quran and the hadith, and also books from other religions like the [[Taurat|Old Testament]], the [[Injil|New Testament]], the Vedas, and the Manu Smriti.

==Naik's Critics==

===Muslim Critics===

Naik's views on prasad (eating ritually dedicated vegetarian food to a Hindu god) and Christmas wishes have been discussed on Indian television channels. Naik believes that taking part in such activities is haram for believing Muslims. During NDTV's televised debate "The Big Fight" (March 11 2006) and prominent Indian Muslims such as Salman Khurshid and Javed Akhtar confronted Naik over what they felt were Naik's mischievous attempts to radicalize the Indian Muslim community and promote communal strife.

Other Muslims like Sheikh Taj-Al Halily and the members of the Muslim Canadian Congress have also rejected this viewpoint on Christmas wishes. <ref>[http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=5128&only Merry Christmas = Murder] Little Green Footballs</ref>

In response to questions about Naik, Darul Ifta, an Islamic organization in India which issues advice and fatwas has said that "one should not rely upon his speeches"<ref name="q7077" />, "his knowledge is not deep"<ref name="q171" /> and that"he is deviated from the path of well-versed Ulama"<ref name="q2415" />. They also say that Naik is "spreading mischievous things and misguiding simple Muslims to wrong path"<ref name="q110" /> and that "he is religiously deviated, some of his talks are unauthentic." <ref name="q11443" /> They advise other Muslims that "one is most probably feared to fall in fitnah by listening his speeches."<ref name="q9421" />

Complete quotes from Darul Ifta are given below:

{{Quote|Darul Ifta, India in response to questions from Naik|
"The statements made by Dr Zakir Naik indicate that he is a preacher of Ghair Muqallidin, he is of free mind and does not wear Islamic dress. '''One should not rely upon his speeches.''' "<ref name="q7077">[http://darulifta-deoband.org/viewfatwa.jsp?ID=7077 Deviant Sects & Groups] - Question #7077, Darul Ifta, India</ref>

"He seems Ghair Muqallid and his knowledge is not deep. Therefore, he is not reliable and Muslims should avoid listening to him." <ref name="q171">[http://darulifta-deoband.com/viewfatwa.jsp?ID=171 Question #171, Darul Ifta, India]</ref>

"Religion should always be learnt through authorized Ulama and authentic books. According to the beliefs and thought that we know about him, he is deviated from the path of well-versed Ulama in many of the thoughts. His approach seems contradicted to authentic Ulama of salaf. Therefore, one should avoid attending his programmes. However, if you happen to listen his talk you should not rely him until you confirm it by any Aalim." <ref name="q2415">[http://darulifta-deoband.com/viewfatwa.jsp?ID=2415 Question #2415, Darul Ifta, India]</ref>

"We do not have details about Dr. Zakir Naik, only we know that he is an agent of Ghair Muqallideen, away from knowledge and wisdom, spreading mischievous things and misguiding simple Muslims to wrong path." <ref name="q110">[http://darulifta-deoband.com/viewfatwa.jsp?ID=110 Question #110, Darul Ifta, India]</ref>

"According to the sayings of Zakir Naik quoted in people's questions, he is religiously deviated, some of his talks are unauthentic. A common man may not be able to differentiate between right and wrong; therefore people should avoid listening his speeches, they are feared to fall in deviation." <ref name="q11443">[http://darulifta-deoband.com/viewfatwa.jsp?ID=11443 Question #11443, Darul Ifta, India]</ref>

"The extracts quoted by the questioners about him indicate that he is having deviation; therefore one is most probably feared to fall in fitnah by listening his speeches." <ref name="q9421">[http://darulifta-deoband.com/viewfatwa.jsp?ID=9421 Question #9421, Darul Ifta, India]</ref>}}

In November 2008, a fatwa was issued against Zakir Naik by Islamic scholars in Lucknow India for supporting Osama Bin Laden and glorifying Yazeed, the 'killer' of [[w:Husayn ibn Ali|Imam Hussain]], a prominent figure in Shia Islam. <ref>[http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_storm-over-fatwa-against-scholar-zakir-naik_1204534 Storm over fatwa against scholar Zakir Naik] - November, 2008</ref> Lucknow's shahar qazi Mufti Abul Irfan Mian Firangi Mahali described Naik as a kafir (non-Muslim) in his fatwa, which states he should be ex-communicated from Islam.

===Non-Muslim Critics===

Non-Muslim critics have claimed that Naik's views on "Idol worship in Islam" are hypocritical. They pointed out that he deliberately talking only of "standing on idols" and nothing else which could be deemed disrespectful (like spitting or kicking).<ref>[http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16082 Idol Worship in Islam] Faith Freedom International forum</ref>

He has also claimed that eating pork can lead a human to acting like a pig, an assertion which has produced much criticism. <ref>[http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14954&sid=67fe67c45c6858079bef7f854faa8d3b Zakir Naik: If you eat pigs then you behave like pigs]Faith Freedom International Forum</ref>

Critics also point to Naik's strident debating style to claim that he wants to raise communal feelings.<ref>[http://p081.ezboard.com/fhinduunityfrm11.showMessage?topicID=7.topic Zakir Naik must apologize] Hindu unity</ref> During the Bangalore debate, Naik criticised other religions including Hinduism. His co-speaker Sri Sri Ravi Shankar simply replied, "to each their belief, and it is not our position to question them."<ref>[http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8457665130451146736&q=zakir+naik+ravi Dr Zakir Naik & Ravi Shankar Debate]</ref>

Various published sources, such as the CIA Factbook, contradict Naik's claims that there are more women than men in groups of marriageable age than men, a key point in his defense of Islamic polygyny.<ref>[https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/ CIA world-factbook]</ref> Critics say this undercuts his rationale for polygamy.

Ali Sina, a prominent internet critic of Islam, has claimed that Naik is a showman who twists the truth and fools his audience. He has reviewed the debate between Campbell and Naik and claims that Naik misrepresented Islam with his statements.<ref>Ali Sina - [http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NaikCampbellintro.htm World's Greatest Showman] Faith Freedom International, Dec 6, 2006 </ref>

Also in June of 2010, UK Home Secretary, Theresa May, banned Zakir Naik from entering the country due to past statements of his apparently supporting terrorism and Islamic terrorists such as Osama bin Laden. He had been due to give a series of lectures at arenas in Wembley Arena and Sheffield.

{{Quote|1=[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7836557/Home-secretary-Theresa-May-bans-radical-preacher-Zakir-Naik-from-entering-UK.html UK Home Secretary, Theresa May] |2=“I have excluded Dr Naik from the UK. Numerous comments made by Dr Naik are evidence to me of his unacceptable behavior. Coming to the UK is a privilege not a right and I am not wiling to allow those who might not be conducive to the public good to enter the UK.}}

==See Also==
{{Hub4|Zakir Naik|Zakir Naik}}

==External Links==

;Naik publications and debates

*[http://www.irf.net/book3.zip Qur'an and Modern Science - Compatible Or Incompatible?] ''(book)''
*[http://www.irf.net/islamandterrorism.zip Islam and Terrorism] ''(book)''

;Anti-Naik

*[http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NaikCampbellintro.htm Ali Sina's commentary on debate between Zakir Naik and William Campbell]
*[http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Naik/index.htm Christian rebuttals to some of Naik's theories]
*[http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/ZakirNaik.htm Challenge by Ali Sina]
*[http://www.adduonline.org/articles/bible2.htm Zakir Naik's Error in Using Bible to prove Islam correct]

;Naik in the News

*[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276753/Muslim-fanatics-spouting-British-TV-Extremists-use-fringe-stations-terror-murder-torture-gay-people.html?ito=feeds-newsxml Muslim fanatics spouting on British TV: Extremists use fringe stations to call for terror, murder and the torture of gay people] ''- Chris Greenwood, Daily Mail, February 11, 2013''
*[{{Reference archive|1=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704365204575317833268479268.html|2=2013-03-19}} The Trouble with Dr. Zakir Naik] ''- Sadanand Dhume, The Wall Street Journal, June 20, 2010''
*[http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=16669 Indian Govt may ban Dr. Zakir Naik's 'Peace TV' for 'hate propaganda'] ''- Haindava Keralam, June 12, 2012''
*[http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/06/22/controversial-muslim-televangelist-zakir-naik-banned-from-toronto-conference/ Indian preacher Controversial Muslim televangelist Zakir Naik banned from Toronto conference] ''- Kathryn Blaze Carlson, National Post, June 22, 2010''
*[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10349564 Indian preacher Zakir Naik is banned from UK] ''- BBC News, June 18, 2010''
*[http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP204708 Indian Muslim Cleric Zakir Naik: 9/11 Was Carried Out by George Bush Himself] ''- MEMRI: Special Dispatch, No. 2047, September'' 10, 2008
*[http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=105128 Zakir Naik’s Remarks on Yazid Spark Anger Among Muslims] ''- Shahid Raza Burney, Arab News, December 31, 2007''

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User talk:Damaskin

2019-10-26T01:24:48Z

Yaakovaryeh:

==Hi==
hi, is Russian equivalent to Bulgarian? Just making sure. We have a separate russian wiki and for example here's the RU article of what you're translating: [http://ru.wikiislam.net/wiki/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BC_%D0%B8_%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%8F Ислам и педофилия]. The page names look similar. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 17:51, 11 October 2013 (PDT)

Hi Damaskin, thanks for your message. Yes sure, ofcourse please continue if they are both different languages as you said. You have full permission to translate any article into the Bulgarian language. If you face any difficulties or confusion let us know here or on the forum page. It will be great to have a set of important articles translated into Bulgarian. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 18:16, 11 October 2013 (PDT)

You will have to complete the translation of the all the inter-linked Islam/Science articles (a large number) in order for the main [[Islam and Science]] article to be of any use. The translation of the last two Science articles here would be useful as first steps: [[WikiIslam:Translations]]. You can also start with the translation of [[72 virgins]] which will be equally useful. Please start with the list given on the page. A specific focus on I/Science is not as good as first dealing with that list at [[WikiIslam:Translations#All_Languages]]. That list contains general topics which are very important and they cover all topics in addition to Islam and Science. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 18:52, 11 October 2013 (PDT)

Text in the other pages was moved to [[User:Damaskin/Sandbox1]]. It can be moved back when the page is complete. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 08:15, 12 October 2013 (PDT)

Its drop-down arrow near the "view history" tab and then "move". --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 14:58, 15 October 2013 (PDT)

==Main page and template help==

Hi ,Sahabah. You are very welcome!:

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== Translating series ==

Hi Damaskin. The page you are translating now is part of a much larger series. That means without the other pages also being translated, we cannot add this page to our list of completed Bulgarian translations. Will you be translating the entire series? I ask because we often get editors who begin translating series but never complete them. This is a shame because the same amount of effort could have produced some great completed pages. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 13:19, 22 October 2013 (PDT)

:Hi Sahabah, The series is interesting, but not all of it is relevant in Bulgaria. Adoption is obsolete and therefore translated it. There are many other interesting things to translate into other topics and I hope gradually to translate many of them. I like when someone searches for something on the topic of "adoption" or something else you can find it in Google.
:Can we translate at our discretion shuffle and then add them to the list of Bulgarian translations because we think that the benefits will be greater for the people in Bulgaria?
:We hope to translate and gradually the whole series and many other things, but of course we can not guarantee that.
:Regards, D.

::In that case we could remove the footer at the bottom and add a line like "This was translated from an article series and is part of the series", etc. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 14:31, 22 October 2013 (PDT)

:::Hi Damaskin. In the beginning, we like translated material to be as close to the original as possible. Of course, once a dedicated Bulgarian sub-domain is opened (with a front page's worth of translations, about 25-35 articles, and at least one regular and reliable editor), things can be different.

:::The reason why we like accurate translations to begin with is because it allows new editors in that particular language to understand the style, tone, quality, etc. that we expect in all languages. It also allows us to see if there are any users who would be suitable and willing to take on the responsibility of guiding the future direction of that sub-domain. Although our core principles will remain (no bigotry, politics, other religions or worldviews, etc.), once the initial translations are done, the new sub-domains are free to evolve separately to the English part.

:::The problem with the page you chose to translate is that it doesn't qualify as a decent stand-alone article. It is written in an essay style because it belongs to the one author. It is not Encyclopedic or as scholarly as our regular pages. Nor should it be, because it forms a part of AmericanaX's own personal journey. But when it's separated from the rest of her series, her writing style loses its context and it doesn't reflect so well on us as a whole.

:::In short, we provide many examples of pages that would be great for translation and it would be appreciated if you tried to stick to them. If you see something you like and it's not on the list, leave a message on Axius' or my talk page and we can give you our opinions on them. Try to translate as many as you can, keeping in mind that the eventual goal is to open up a dedicated Bulgarian sub-domain that will allow you to develop material independently to the English site. Axius may want to add something different to what I have said, but those are my thoughts anyhow. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 14:42, 22 October 2013 (PDT)
::::Yea I see now it has the Essay tone and some of it is written in the first person. If an article on Adoption is needed in Bulgarian, it would be ideal to write a separate English article on it first and use those sources she has used. Or edit the Bulgarian version for a title "Adoption in Islam" and make further edits, however we'd like to have that in English first so we can see it follows our guidelines
::::I may be wrong but I personally think this adoption related article translated into Bulgarian should be a lower priority as compared to some other topics because adoptions generally happen very rarely so the impact is minimal but it would have been fine if we had a stand alone article like Sahabah says. Its up to you guys so whatever you decide. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 15:14, 22 October 2013 (PDT)

Hi Axius and Sahabah,
I'm not translating from English to Bulgarian myself because my English is not good and I give the articles for translation to people who I trust .
I'm saying this because the article on adoption is an exact and full translation of the English version and does not differ from the original.
It is also my opinion that adding a connection with the original English article-essay and saying that it is part of a series called " Concerns with Islam " woun't cause a fragmentation problem.
Also I understand that the article is an essay, yes , but in the absence of other relevant articles this one works as well .
Finally, I'd like if we can trust each other.
Bulgaria is an European Christian country and Muslims have been there for 600 years . Traditional Islam is more moderate and current topics are more mundane .

In the name of the mutual trust , I will provisionally accept your opinion and will stop insisting on putting the Adoption article. However, the website is yours and you're setting the rules.

Regards,
D.
:hi D, you can sign your name using the sign button in the toolbar and you can edit this talk page and we will respond here.
:I'm ok with keeping the Adoption article you've done since you worked on it but we can keep it in our Sandbox space for now (or whatever Sahabah thinks). We can put a note of some kind at the top and so on. However in the future important articles should be translated first. All of the ones in the list are good ([[WikiIslam:Translations#List_of_Articles_to_Translate]]). Can you tell us more about Adoption and Islam in Bulgaria and why its an important topic? Are there lots of people who are adopting and is it a big problem there in relation to Islam? (more than the average in other countries)
:The articles we choose on that list may be common/mundane but they are popular/important topics and these are what people want to know most about. Topics like Women's rights and so on are important. Some articles are closer to the core of Islam than others. What do you want to translate next? Let us know before you begin. Would be great if you can translate [[72 virgins]] next (whenever). There's also "[[List of Killings Ordered or Supported by Muhammad]]". Some articles are very shocking and contain important information that has more urgency attached to it. So for example the [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/10-%D1%82%D0%B5_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B9-%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B8_%D0%B0%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%B8_%D0%B2_%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0 10 verses] article you did was important. Thank you for what you've done so far. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 10:10, 23 October 2013 (PDT)

Can You give me some e-mail, Please?I I would like to ask something there.
:Hi Damaskin, send an email to {{site email}} and I'll also forward it to Sahabah. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 07:33, 31 December 2013 (PST)

== Meta tag ==

hi Damaskin, the meta tag can be done in your language e.g.:
:<nowiki><</nowiki>metadesc>Ill health effects of Islamic Dress in relation to Vitamin D levels.</metadesc>
People will see that text in search engine results. This is for the tag on this page [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B8_%D0%B7%D0%B0_%D0%B7%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BE_%D0%BE%D1%82_%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D1%8F%D0%BC%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE_%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%BE]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 10:56, 5 December 2014 (PST)

Thanks!Done, I translated it.Please text me if needed.
:Great thanks. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 04:38, 6 December 2014 (PST)

Hi Sahabah, What is wrong with Khadijah bint Khuwaylid article?
:Hi Damaskin. There's nothing wrong with your article. I just noticed you forgot to translate some of the explanations in the [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/%D0%A5%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B6%D0%B0_%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%82_%D0%A5%D1%83%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B4#.D0.98.D0.B7.D1.82.D0.BE.D1.87.D0.BD.D0.B8.D1.86.D0.B8 footnotes] (you have translated some but not all of them). I was going to leave you a message here first thing today (sadly, I didn't have much time yesterday so I couldn't get around to it). [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 07:58, 4 January 2015 (PST)

Hi, why the name in the article is still in English? I used only Bulgarian - http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Приапизъм(Постоянна_Eрекция)
:Hi Damskin. It's because of the page_title template at the bottom of the page. We use it so the name of the page can be different to what the reader's actually see (so that links do not break on other sites when they link to us). You can see where I changed it [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B8%D0%B7%D1%8A%D0%BC%28%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%8F%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0_E%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F%29&diff=111513&oldid=111509 here]. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 06:19, 21 February 2015 (PST)

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Hi everyone,
* "This page contains content of a humorous nature" - "Тази страница има съдържание с хумористичен характер"/
"Continue at your own peril" - "Продължете на своя отговорност"
* "show"-"покажи"
* "hide"-"скрий"
For http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Имате_ли_каквото_е_необходимо,_за_да_следвате_исляма%3F

P.P. I can not find in Google the articles " Логическа заблуда " , " Салаф (определение) " and " Аллах (определение) ". Is it any reason?
Is there everything okay with the article " Аллах (определение) ", because there is no reference for (Translations) in the English article?
How many articles we have to translate for bulgarian domain?

All the best,
Damaskin

:Hi Damaskin. Concerning the articles, "Логическа заблуда", "Салаф (определение)," and "Аллах (определение)," Google just probably hasn't indexed them yet. "Аллах (определение)" is fine. I've added a link to the English version now. I also moved it to a different URL and used that "page title" template we were discussing previously. For separate domains, we need about 25 to 35 full-length articles. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 08:32, 1 March 2015 (PST)

Thank you, Sahab!

Hi Sahab, why is that: This Български (Bulgarian) translation for Arabic is currently incomplete?

== Setup of Bulgarian WikiIslam ==

hi Damaskin, if I give you the photoshop file for the WikiIslam logo, will you be able to add your own text to it? This would be 'WikiIslam' and then 'The Online Resource on Islam' (like it appears in the english logo on the left). Alternatively, you can tell me where I can find the font files for the font you like and the translations of those two terms as they should appear in the logo. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 05:47, 19 May 2015 (PDT)

Hi Axius, I do not have Photoshop, but you can send me the file and I'll try to do it. If I succeed, I'll send you the ready file back.If I can't do it,will write you also to create it together.
In case I will give you the text in Bulgarian language:
WikiIslam = УикиИслям /
The Online Resource on Islam = Онлайн източник за Ислям
:Ok sounds good. I will send you the file by email. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 12:28, 19 May 2015 (PDT)
I think I got all the redirects done. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 19:30, 29 June 2015 (PDT)

I left it for those days because I have no time, but thanks anyway. - Damaskin
:No problem.
:The reason why I did this [http://bg.wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=72_%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B8&curid=62&diff=496&oldid=495] kind of linking is that once we changed our domain and links like that stopped working. If we keep it internal, the links will always work. Its up to you though. For the BG site you can revert back to the external links if you like. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 04:33, 1 July 2015 (PDT)

== Reverted edits ==

Hi, just letting you know what's going on with the site at the moment and why your edits yesterday were reverted. ExMNA will likely get in touch with you at some point, but to summarise, they are undertaking a major project to revamp Wikiislam with a wide range of improvements. This will include a lot of new content and a more scholarly and objective approach in the existing articles. They are developing new guidelines for this purpose, and as a result some pages have been batch-deleted (including the Farside pages) which were not appropriate for the new approach.

AbdulHurayrah is heavily involved with this project, and the edits you saw were the removal of links on hub pages to articles that have already been removed. The 4 articles that had sudden major changes were their initial experiments to help formulate the new guidelines. Some of those articles will be further improved (I gave them feedback). I didn't undo your rollback of the embryology article because I know that the experiment introduced quite a lot of problems (I am very familiar with this article because I completely re-wrote it a couple of years ago). I'll put their changes back when I am ready to fix the problems.

I saw that you changed the wine article back to the old version that we had prior to my review and re-write. I did this re-write following feedback from Ex-Muslims and Muslims. There was agreement that the old article needed changing due to a host of problems, so I have reverted your changes to that. It's possible that this one will see further work during the revamp project. Thanks for your other work and patience while we commence the initial stages of the project. [[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 11:09, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

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Hi AbdulHurayrah,
First I apologize for the inconvenience I have created, but I thought the changes for vandalism. The truth is that both articles(the wine article) have their weaknesses, but yours resemble a Pro-Islamic because I did not see used weak hadiths as you mentioned. Usually, Muslims justify that some hadith is weak when it is not profitable. I do not know how much you know Islamic scriptures, but I have no long been consulted with Muslims on controversial issues.

Regarding the four articles, they are 5 that I saw were deleted and I was shocked. Some of them were emblematic and very strong in their argumentation. I still can not understand what the new site policy is, but I will look forward to finding out. Please do not be angry with my reaction, but I love the site and want to see it still uncompromising.

My English is not good at regrouping or writing articles on the English site. For translations from English to Bulgarian, I have used paid professional translators. So I apologize for writing to you bad English now.

I will be happy to communicate more in the future to work for the good of the site and the truth.

Best regards,
Damaskin

:I just wanted to reassure you that we do not want to lose good arguments and information. I care a lot about this too, and so do ExMNA (we have had recent discussions about this). The new policy will be about re-phrasing good arguments that are supported by cited evidence into a more objective and concise style, adding balance where needed, and fixing biased personal judgements and assumptions. We will be removing conclusions and just presenting the observations and evidence so that readers see that the articles are more objective. Then they can come to their own conclusions about each topic. A lot of quotes will be moved to footnotes to make long articles more streamlined in order to better help readers who want an overview as well as those looking for detailed information on the arguments.

:The experimental versions of the 4 articles (72 Virgins, Muhammad ibn Abdullah, Aisha's Age of Consumation and Embryology in the Quran) were actually written a few months ago and copy-pasted in yesterday. Mostly the changes worked well. Since then we have further refined the new policies. Later I will add back again some removed argument sections and evidence in Age of Aisha and Embryology, but in the new concise, objective style. [[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 21:32, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

==Mass deletion of hundreds of pages last December==
Please respond here: https://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Discussions/Editor_Discussions#Mass_deletion_of_hundreds_of_pages
--[[User:Yaakovaryeh|Yaakovaryeh]] ([[User talk:Yaakovaryeh|talk]]) 01:24, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

User talk:AbdulHurayrah

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Yaakovaryeh: Created page with "==Mass deletion last December== Please respond to this - https://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Discussions/Editor_Discussions#Mass_deletion_of_hundreds_of_pages Nothing persona..."

==Mass deletion last December==
Please respond to this - https://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Discussions/Editor_Discussions#Mass_deletion_of_hundreds_of_pages
Nothing personal, just want to shed some light on this in an open and transparent manner.
(BTW, I googled your name, are you by any chance the same Abdul Hurayrah that is a Project Administrator @ EXMNA?) --[[User:Yaakovaryeh|Yaakovaryeh]] ([[User talk:Yaakovaryeh|talk]]) 01:19, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

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{{Discussions}}
'''''This page is for discussions between editors. Visitors should use the [[WikiIslam:Discussions/Visitor Inquiries|visitors]] page. All new discussion topics should be created at the bottom of the page, below all previous discussions, and all messages should be [[WikiIslam:Signatures|signed]].'''''

== Logical Errors rename==

Shall we make logical errors into "logical errors and absurdities" or put any word like "absurdities"? Then there will be a lot more to add.--[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 09:50, 27 February 2014 (PST)

:No, I think absurdities is too wide in scope. For example, most of the scientific errors could be seen as absurdities. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 15:24, 27 February 2014 (PST)
::How about something temporary and general like [[WikiIslam:Sandbox/Issues in the Quran]] and gather all the relevant verses and make whatever kinds of internal headings we like. The first main step is to gather the verses and some rough sorting and then later refinement to make sure the claim is correct and refining the sorting/headings also. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 16:01, 27 February 2014 (PST)

:::I don't think the issue is a temporary one that can be sorted by refining sub-heading. If that was the case, then the present heading, "Logical Errors in the Qur'an", is fine for now. The issue is about the entire direction of the article i.e. the author hasn't decided on the topic of the article yet. Clearly that's an odd place to be when an article has already been started. The original topic (logical errors) does not seem to create enough content to warrant an article, so the new title, "logical errors and absurdities" was suggested to allow widening its scope. However, including "absurdities" widens the scope too far. To me, the reasonable conclusion is that there is no article here, or it should at least be put on hold until there are enough logical errors found, and efforts should be concentrated on the "Qur'anic Claim of Having Details" article which has more potential, but that's probably not what everyone wants to hear, so we come back the same problem. What is this article about? If it's about "Issues in the Quran", then that completely obliterates the scope. There are hundreds of issues with the Qur'an and we have hundreds of articles dealing with them. I doubt Saggy or anyone will be willing to create an article that would encompass them all, but readers who land on a page named "Issues in the Quran" would expect nothing less. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 16:48, 27 February 2014 (PST)
::::If its in a Sandbox article space it doesnt matter what the article title is or if it doesnt have any structure and so on. Its not indexed and its under construction.
::::The first step of these articles is to choose from the 6000 verses by scanning them. We dont want any restrictions at this stage which could slow that down. The next is some kind of sorting or making sense of it. When its time to move the article to the main space only then we have to worry about applying the rules you mentioned and I agree with those rules (correct titles whether its one title or many, scope, how it fits in with everything else, whether its a valid claim or not, etc). It has to be ok in every way. Saggy is doing the first core task, bringing out those verses so that can go on in a Sandbox article. In the end we can come back to your comments and see what to do next. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 04:41, 28 February 2014 (PST)
:::::Well, if you, Saggy or whoever want to do it that way then it doesn't bother me in the slightest, because it's up to each individual how they spend their time and it's being done in a sandbox. But scanning 6000 verses then deciding on what to do with them is not the optimal way good articles are written. That sounds quite absurd in itself. It's common sense that when you write an article that you have a general idea of what the article is about, and only then do you do the research for it. Take the "Qur'an detail" article. We know we want verses that lack detail, so we scan the Qur'an for verses that fit the description. We do not scan the Qur'an for an unidentified purpose, collect anything that looks interesting and then decide that "there are some verses here that lack detail. Let's make an article about it". [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 05:14, 28 February 2014 (PST)
::::::Actually I've always wanted to scan the Quran for all the interesting things but Skeptics Quran has done a lot of it (I remember your comment about SAQ). In any case yes, as long as its done in a Sandbox people can do what they like (good practice for articles under construction in any case). In the end we can see if it makes sense or not, or how to fix it. If you had to scan the Quran for an identified purpose, you would to scan it again every time you had a new purpse. If scanning is done one time but we have a "filter" on it (like an email filter), it saves time. Anyway. Yea its up to Saggy on what he wants to write in the Sandbox. I need to take a closer look at these articles some time to see how its going. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 05:21, 28 February 2014 (PST)
:::::::Scanning the Qur'an as a general project is a completely different task to the one we are discussing here i.e. Saggy's "logical errors" page. And yeah, when you know what you're looking for, you would scan it again. That's how it's done. Or do you think if you scan the Qur'an now you will never have to scan the Qur'an ever again? We've all "scanned" the Qur'an multiple times (i.e. when we've read through it), but that doesn't do away with the need of re-scanning the Qur'an for a specific purpose. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 05:33, 28 February 2014 (PST)
::::::::I dont know, I guess its however he scans it. If it was me who had to do it, I would keep a checklist of stuff I want to check against. Anyway, yea he can work on the sandbox page as he likes. I know he was talking about the Logical errors page. I was just giving the general advice that he can work on a sandbox page. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 16:53, 28 February 2014 (PST)
:::::::::I asked because I saw some things that may not be logical as I think but they are not scientific either. Just erros.--[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 11:40, 1 March 2014 (PST)
::::::::::I just renamed it to [[WikiIslam:Sandbox/Logical Errors and Other Issues in the Qur'an]] for a general kind of title. You can think about renaming it to something more specific in the end when you're done with it. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 19:16, 6 March 2014 (PST)

==Article on Ali==
How about an article on Ali? He's (one of) the most important men in Islamic history, so why not? [[User:LawrenceGilmore|LawrenceGilmore]] ([[User talk:LawrenceGilmore|talk]]) 14:01, 5 March 2014 (PST)
:I made your inquiry into a new section by making a heading. Sure thats fine only if it would be a good article related to criticism of Islam. Otherwise not too much time should be spent on it in my opinion but thats up to you. Do you have any thoughts about the text extracts [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Sandbox/Islamophobia_-_temp] for the iphobia article? Sorry I have been putting off working on that article but I was waiting to see what you thought of the extracts. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 14:23, 5 March 2014 (PST)

== Create the Details article? ==

I think its time to create the details article, What do you say?--[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 11:33, 11 March 2014 (PDT)
:I think it needs a language cleanup. I'll try to look at it and see what I can improve.
:One of the strongest cases on that page is the 5 pillars. Can you think of any other cases like these where the detail is seriously needed, is an important part of Islamic belief but is there in the Quran? Those would be very good additions to the page and are not as important as the other verses (stories with missing details e.g.) --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 17:22, 11 March 2014 (PDT)
::I think there's probably a lot more that can be added (possibly after the article's creation, but preferably before) and I agree with Axius concerning the need of a language cleanup. I too will try to help with that in the next day or two. I would also say that the 5 pillars section needs to be redone to be consistent with the rest. So, IMO, it is not quite ready but it is getting close. Other than that; well done. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 22:04, 11 March 2014 (PDT)
::: I [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=WikiIslam:Sandbox/Qur%27anic_Claim_of_Having_Details&diff=105705&oldid=105634 added] some more verses for the claims of being detailed and made some headings. I found those additional verses [http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/islam/pillars/al-salat_%28P1192%29.html here] after searching for what Quran says about salat so I could add those verses. For now I just did this and will try to add salat verses related verses so match the other sections. A good compilation of Salat related verses has been done for us here: http://www.progressive-muslim.org/salat-prayer-quran.htm . A page like this can probably go in a Ref tag, and we can have some specific verses and for the rest we can give the reader the link in the Ref tag.
:::Saggy, my opinion is that new verses for missing details should not be added anymore unless they're really good. Instead the effort should be focused on finalizing this page. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 20:36, 12 March 2014 (PDT)
::::Saggy, additions of new verses is fine but it may keep extending the time it may take for the article to be reviewed/finalized (just letting you know). You can keep adding the verses though I think thats fine. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 07:01, 15 March 2014 (PDT)
:::::I planned the order to be numerical so we start with chapter 2 and go to 113 :/ --[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 08:55, 15 March 2014 (PDT)
::::::Oh ok. I [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=WikiIslam:Sandbox/Qur%27anic_Claim_of_Having_Details&diff=105829&oldid=105824 reverted] myself then. I think it should be revised so its categorized in the other sense. I think its more powerful to present "practices of Islam" in one section and laws in another etc. Do you disagree? OR, you can reorder them in the end when you're done. Another related point is that there are enough "stories" (fables) for now. It would be nice to have more incomplete details for other categories like "laws" or practices in Islam (charity, fasting, salat) etc. Or any new categories. But yes I do believe that presenting related categories is more powerful. We dont follow the chapter series anywhere on other pages because the verses are pretty random. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 09:04, 15 March 2014 (PDT)
:::::::Law? theres hardly any law to search for i think. some practices eg. pilgrimage are more detailed than the 1-line-stories so there may not be more practices to insert. Some are not story or anything categoryable eg. "We revealed the book and with it the balance". Where do they go in the event of separation?--[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 11:26, 15 March 2014 (PDT)
::::::::[http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Sandbox/Qur%27anic_Claim_of_Having_Details#Thief.27s_Repentance Thief's repentance] is one example of a law/sharia issue, currently the only one though. The others can go in a "Miscellaneous/Other verses" section. I guess keep collecting and we can think about it in the end. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 11:38, 15 March 2014 (PDT)

I readied the prose, now create it or u want more verses?--[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 08:40, 20 March 2014 (PDT)
:I will read through it later and clean it up before creating it. There's enough content there for an initial article. But I also want to separate the 5 Pillars before that. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 09:35, 20 March 2014 (PDT)
::2 pillars and ablution; and 1 or two more laws. Should they all go into one bunch? The Rest of the pillars have a decent amount of details so they may not go in.--[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 12:12, 20 March 2014 (PDT)
:::It's okay. I worked around it now. For Axius: concerning that progressive-muslim link; the translation they use is not accurate and distorts verses a lot. They're also Qur'anist apologists; their whole point is that the Qur'an is detailed, so I don't think it will benefit us from citing Qur'anist apologists as a reference. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 20:01, 20 March 2014 (PDT)

::::Only 1 translator called 85;4 as fire.[http://islamawakened.com/quran/85/4/] it many not necessarily be the usual future hell. I gave the source from wikipedia. [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 09:08, 22 March 2014 (PDT)
:::::If the lack of detail was based on a historical event, then this should have been mentioned. And if only one translator used the word fire in 85:4 then you should have called the section heading "Makers of the Pit", not "Makers of the Pit of Fire" (I will change this now). Because if the fire translation is accepted then it could be easily argued that this is a poetic way of saying sinners are making their own place in hell, so it's not the Qur'an's lack of detail that is the problem, but the interpretations. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 10:02, 22 March 2014 (PDT)

::::::Saggy, why are you rushing everything and only making a half-hearted attempt at creating a decent article? Axius may disagree with me, and I'm not trying to discourage you, but my philosophy has always been, "if you're not going to do something properly, then don't do it at all". It is this that has led to us weeding out most of the weak articles and deleting them, resulting in a very high-quality wiki with a reputation for its accurate and articulate content. But when it comes to you, even your talk page messages are so rushed that it makes them hard to understand.

::::::See [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=WikiIslam:Sandbox/Qur%27anic_Claim_of_Having_Details&oldid=106203#Blowing_on_Knots this section] called "Blowing on Knots" that you wrote. You say about [http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/113-qmt.php#113.001 Qur'an 113:1-4] that, ''"One cannot understand who are those who blow on knots and why."'' This could be easily refuted by apologists. All they have to do is click on our verse reference that goes to the USC-MSA site an see that both of the other translators render it as ''"those who practise secret arts"'' and ''"the evil of malignant witchcraft"''. Then they can claim that WikiIslam are dishonest and are simply choosing the 1 translation that is most ambiguous and suited to "their agenda". Looking at the multiple translations available at [http://islamawakened.com/quran/113/4/default.htm islamawakened], most translators render it as something to do with witchcraft.

::::::I've now fixed that by removing the text you wrote and replacing it with, ''"Many translators identify those who blow on knots as "those who practice secret arts" or witchcraft, but this information is not found within the actual Qur'anic text. Others choose to translate it accurately as "those who blow on knots", which makes it impossible to identify who these people are and why they would do such a thing."'' But you were obviously aware of the situation (since you chose the 1 translation of the three that only mentions knots) so why did you not think to add this to the article? It was the same thing Qur'an 85:4 (discussed above this message). If you were aware of the uncertainty behind the meaning of this verse being discused by Muslim scholars so it confirms the fact that this verse lacks detail, why did you fail to mention it? You are rushing just to throw articles out there and this is resulting in your work being weak or incomprehensible. This is not how we do things. We do not choose quantity over quality. That may have been the case 5 years ago but not today.

::::::So can you please try to adjust you editing style accordingly? [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 08:32, 23 March 2014 (PDT)
:::::::ok. But I bet those claims against this site will never go away.--[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 09:52, 23 March 2014 (PDT)
::::::::Thanks, Saggy. Of course. We know these claims will never go away. We are not doing it for those apologists who make these claims. We are doing it for all those people (Muslim and non-Muslim) who use us to learn about Islam and trust us for our accuracy. We need to be thorough and clear enough so that they have the information available to see that we are correct. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 10:05, 23 March 2014 (PDT)
:::::::::I agree with what Sahab said and in particular ''"We do not choose quantity over quality."''. As we can see Sahab did a lot of work [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=WikiIslam:Sandbox/Qur%27anic_Claim_of_Having_Details&offset=&limit=250&action=history] on the Details article. Thanks for that Sahab. Saggy please note Sahab's recommendations.
:::::::::Anyone can make any number of Sandbox articles, whether they're of poor or good quality. Picking those sandbox articles and finalizing them is entirely optional and is up to other users.
:::::::::So Saggy if you can do a good job in the Sandbox article, it makes it more likely that others will work on it and finalize the article. If its too difficult others can just add it to the [[tasks]] page to work on it in the future. If its added there, you can see that the tasks page contains lots of tasks so it will likely be a long time before anyone works on it. I would advise you to keep working on Sandbox articles as you have done but if you ask people to finalize it and it needs a lot of work, you can expect a reply like ''"it needs a lot of work (for example, X, Y Z) and at the moment I'm unable to work on it"''. In that case you can keep working on the article to the best of your ability (and make it rebuttal proof as best as you can). It can be added to the Tasks page if it needs a lot of fixing up. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 17:27, 24 March 2014 (PDT)

== Womb sentence ==

[http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/2/228/default.htm Here] see its second sentence. does it make enough of sense? some stray translator calls it "hiding pregnancy," but is it really something that can be hidden over time? especially in those old days? If it is unclear, it should go into some article.--[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 12:46, 20 March 2014 (PDT)
:I think it sounds pretty clear. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 20:04, 20 March 2014 (PDT)
:: What does this mean? "Do not kill your children secretly, for the milk, with which a child is suckled while his mother is pregnant, overtakes the horseman and throws him from his horse."[http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/abudawud/028-sat.php#028.3872] [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 08:18, 2 April 2014 (PDT)
:::Why? [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 08:22, 2 April 2014 (PDT)
::::I think he just wants to know what the hadith means. Strange hadith. I dont know myself. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 09:56, 2 April 2014 (PDT)
:::::Appears to be claiming fetuses drink their mother's milk in the womb. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 10:01, 2 April 2014 (PDT)
::::::Whoa lol. Yea I think you're right. I dont know what that horseman thing means though. Funny. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 10:11, 2 April 2014 (PDT)
:::::::Yeah, I dunno what the "horseman" refers to either. It's probably the killer. And the milk thing sounds silly but it's not out of the ordinary for Islamic literature where the moon and sun are considered sentient beings and food likewise "praise Allah" or warn Muhammad of poisoning. Although we have to be careful with such things because while the former is a scientific error, the latter is a miracle. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 12:22, 2 April 2014 (PDT)
::::::::To put it somewhere.[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 12:23, 2 April 2014 (PDT)
:::::::::Scientific Errors in the Hadith? (lol. I'm assuming it can't be argued that fetuses suckle on their mother's milk). [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 12:26, 2 April 2014 (PDT)
:::::::::So I was thinking the apologist could argue (as they do) but that the child in this quote is a child outside which has been born already: ''"with which a child is suckled while his mother is pregnant"''. In any case, this hadith could be in a "Other Hadiths" sub-section or wherever (its up to you guys). --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 14:57, 2 April 2014 (PDT)
::::::::::I'll fill in the details of every possible meaning. But if this is for the scientific error article, what title to give it? "Breast milk can overflow?"[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 12:23, 3 April 2014 (PDT)
:::::::::::Could be "Break milk is consumed by Fetus", etc.
:::::::::::But look what I found. I think this is interesting. I googled "greek science breast milk uterus" and I found this paper. Google "The History of the Knowledge of Reproductive Anatomy and Physiology " [https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=+The+History+of+the+Knowledge+of+Reproductive+Anatomy+and+Physiology+&oq=+The+History+of+the+Knowledge+of+Reproductive+Anatomy+and+Physiology] and click on the link from www.lab.anhb.uwa.edu.au
::::::::::::''ca 150 A.D. -- Galen – was a Greek Biologist and philosopher who practised medicine, was a surgeon to gladiators and a public demonstrator of anatomy.''
::::::::::::''He also believed women had two uteri ending in single neck. One of his theories was that if milk flows from the breasts of a pregnant woman, it is an indication that the foetus will be weak. His reasoning for this is; '''the breasts and uterus are joined by common vessels. The foetus inside the uterus is bathed in nutrients (milk)''', if this milk overflows to the breasts it is because the foetus is not strong enough to consume as much as it should be.''
:::::::::::Galen is mentioned on our site in other places too. [https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=galen+site%3Awikiislam.net&oq=galen+site%3Awikiislam.net site search]. Food for thought. I knew it could be connected to Greek science just like the Embryology/semen backbone stuff is copied from Greek science in Islamic texts. I would suggest the next steps as possibly finding more related hadiths and any Islamic scholar's comments on this hadith and then citing this paper to link them. There needs to be more study to see completely what the hadith means to say.
:::::::::::Then I added Galen to the search query [https://www.google.com/search?biw=1920&bih=852&q=greek+science+breast+milk+uterus+galen&oq=greek+science+breast+milk+uterus+galen greek science breast milk uterus galen]. Click on the PDF "Exploring gender: Islamic Perspectives on Breastfeeding" for more info.
:::::::::::Galen says in another link [http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/65/2/374] "so that if a nursing mother should become pregnant,", so it might be talking about a pregnant woman who is nursing another child. This is just more information. Saggy could you analyze this carefully or do more research before putting the hadith in to make sure we are not putting in any hadiths that can be explained. I have no additional input on this. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 15:12, 3 April 2014 (PDT)
::::::::::::The minimum error is that milk overflows. Where is the baby or how many babies are there does not matter. I'll insert this and its better to see if somebody tries to refute or explain the rest of words later. [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 04:00, 4 April 2014 (PDT)
:::::::::::::[http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Scientific_Errors_in_the_Hadith&curid=9085&diff=106600&oldid=106482] "there can be only some leakage of milk", can qualify for "A Pregnant woman's milk can overflow". Technically "some leakage" is "overflow". --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 04:30, 4 April 2014 (PDT)
::::::::::::::No, it throws a horseman! All i found was this denial-[http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=91918] and another where a guy will make 60 women pregnant and their kids will become horsemen of war[http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/muslim/015-smt.php] - it maybe related to our subject of child/horseman but it does not clarify the milk. neway I read some breastfeeding facts and wrote down.[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 04:36, 4 April 2014 (PDT)
:::::::::::::::Let me think- mother or somebody else may have planned to kill the foetus ( but i am not sure if this was possible). If it is killed what happens to the milk? overflow, at best. If she's pregnant and feeds a second child and this child is to be killed, again the milk may be excess. the horseman falling must be the exagerration and it is best to point that out. I checked more - only breastfeed woman leaks often. but pregnant plus breastfeeder can be sometimes low on milk supply.[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 04:51, 4 April 2014 (PDT)
::::::::::::::::Added ref for decreased milk. The ref template needs some fixes. i see it later, i've to go.[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 05:05, 4 April 2014 (PDT)
:::::::::::::::::Ok, I think I understand now. The hadith says that it will always be the case that overflow happens for a pregnant breast feeding woman. I still dont get the logic behind the hadith "Dont kill your child because otherwise the milk wont overflow" ... ? Must be some background on the hadith as to whats going on. Yea I saw that link. I googled [https://www.google.com/search?biw=1920&bih=852&q=%22overtakes+the+horseman+and+throws+him+from+his+horse.%22&oq=%22overtakes+the+horseman+and+throws+him+from+his+horse.%22&gs_l=serp.3...12123.12994.0.13351.3.3.0.0.0.0.85.251.3.3.0....0...1c.1.39.serp..3.0.0.KbC8LzjI35c "overtakes the horseman and throws him from his horse"] and saw a few more links. Here's another [http://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=320733] which is about intercourse and other stuff.:
::::::::::::::::::''Imam Abu Sulaiman Al Khattabi explaining the hadith says, “The Prophet (pbuh) is indicating that when the husband has intercourse with his breastfeeding wife, which results in pregnancy, it reduces her milk, thus depriving the suckling child, as it is being nourished from that milk, hence weakening the suckling child”. (Ma’aalim Al Sunan of Imam Abu Sulaiman Al Khattabi)''
::::::::::::::::: and this quote (note the interpretation of horseman etc):
::::::::::::::::::''The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "…gheelah (pregnancy during the period of breastfeeding) overtakes the rider and throws him from the horse." ('''Reported by Abu Dawud, this means''' that the child who nurses from a pregnant mother will suffer from it in later life like a horseman who is thrown from his horse.)"''
:::::::::::::::::There may be additional information in the google link about the horseman phrase. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 05:08, 4 April 2014 (PDT)
::::::::::::::::::And after Googling that phrase ("this means ....") I found only two links, one of which was that forum and the other is this [http://www.onislam.net/english/ask-the-scholar/family/pregnancy-and-newborns/175346.html?newborns=]. So I think this hadith may not be a good choice after addition after all but check all of this information and see for yourself. You can also get additional scientific error Hadiths from this page: [[Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Islamic_Silliness]]. You can copy the ones that can be shown as scientific errors. Its ok to have one hadith shown in multiple pages. But yes continue with your hadith scanning/search because we know there are more errors/things found in Hadith than Quran verses. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 05:23, 4 April 2014 (PDT)
:::::::::::::::::::I searched for "Romans persians" and got this [http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/muslim/008-smt.php] Book 008, Number 3391 is what they seem to call gheelah. But gheelah does not appear linked to "kill children" nor to the fall from horse. Its tiring; verifying such claims. What analogy did they say: Child will suffer the same as a horseback fall? is it due to milk in any way? This fall-suffer analogy is strange, it seems like all those miracle claims derived from half sentences. The subject is clearly milk, not child. but they changed it to child to brush it away. So you have googled and thrown light(lol) on two separate parts: If the second half is an analogy, the first is not clear. If we understand or assume the first, the second is not clear. "Milk throws the horseman from the horse" looks the same as "sperm flows between backbone and ribs." By now, a whole article could be made on this mess if needed.[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 09:15, 4 April 2014 (PDT)
{{outdent}} (outdented)''"This fall-suffer analogy is strange"'' - the apologist will quote Abu Dawaud and claim that its not referring to overflow but punishment later on. I would suggest to move on to something else as things are not as clear as we would like them to be (unless additional evidence can be found). The problem is the meaning of the hadith is not clear, and we cannot claim that horseman refers to overflow (without evidence that says so). --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 09:28, 4 April 2014 (PDT)
:That is what I was trying to say - such an apologist cant show which word refers to what, ''satisfactorily.'' (is it "milk" that refers to punishment?) I had said the sperm thing on realising that the first guy who pointed out the sperm-flow error did not expect that apologists will give 10 different interpretations, half of them twisting the original words. They are all debunked. Same may happen here. We should take the hadith literally unless there is strong evidence for different meanings in it.[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 10:06, 4 April 2014 (PDT)
::Agreed that it should be taken literally. Literally it just says "horseman taking over the horse". Anything else (overflow or punishment) needs a reference. I would suggest adding the hadith to some kind of "to do" page where hadiths of interest are listed so it can be looked at again when there's more information. If the hadith literally said something about over flow or punishment or lack of milk for the other baby etc, it would be another situation. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 10:10, 4 April 2014 (PDT)
:::I think that hadith should not be added to the list. I do not get "A Pregnant woman's milk can overflow" from a literal reading. In the end, a literal reading is all that matters because anything else is an interpretation and can be argued against. Ultimately, this is just one odd hadith out of literally thousands of odd hadith, so I don't see any importance in this. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 00:28, 5 April 2014 (PDT)
::::Ok. Yes, the concept ofoverflow is not mentioned explictly and one interpretation says it means something else.
::::Saggy, I would to reiterate the need for adding content that is "rebuttal" proof. You said ''"Its tiring; verifying such claims."''. Yes its more work making sure new content is strong and of high quality but [[What_People_Say_About_WikiIslam|its worth it]]. If you want you can add the Hadith to your own "to do" page/section where you can continue the research (in which case make sure you add the reference to the Abu Dawud meaning of suffering I found). Again, do look at the [[Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Islamic_Silliness|Silliness]] hadiths to see if any can be added from there to the Science errors page. Many hadiths/verses are easy decisions to insert if the meanings are clear (this kind of hadith is not found often). Easy or not, all new content still needs a careful look to make sure it is acceptable.
::::Its nice that you have been researching hadiths and verses and some of your other additions have been fine so yea, continue that. I recommend you do it like this as its easier: Put all of the interesting verses and hadiths you come across in your own temporary Sandbox page, and when you have a certain number, start inserting them into the relevant pages (after a good review). And then you can go back and search some more. This is easier than finding one quote, inserting, finding another and inserting etc. In the Sandbox you also have more freedom to write what you want until its finalized: [[User:Saggy/Sandbox]], [[User:Saggy/Sandbox for QHS]]. etc --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 05:23, 5 April 2014 (PDT)

== Editor centric navigation==

Lets see how these changes look. I moved all visitor related links to the top and the Editor related links to the left for easier access. Visitors who are 99% of the people visiting this site can look in that Navigation box while Editors can see what they want on the left for easier access. In my opinion Editors are more important than visitors. We can get visitors and thats easy; we already have a lot of them so lets pay more importance to editing which is a problem. This is more inviting to editors and its telling them they are important. Lets see how it feels for a while. The bad thing is its pushing content down but there's no other way for now.

Later we can also try reverting and moving everything below Editing. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 15:18, 26 April 2014 (PDT)
:Reverting back for now with a few changes - Editing section is given higher priority, Recent changes is moved to Editing, policies and Core principles have also been moved to Editing.
:Still trying to find a good menu navigation system. Making the site look like Wikipedia is not a priority. A site is not judged to be good because it looks like Wikipedia but because it has good content and is easy to navigate and makes it easy for people to find what they're looking for (this is good web design). Making it easy for people to navigate the site is of higher priority. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 19:20, 28 April 2014 (PDT)
::There is a public Mediawiki extension called "Breadcrumbs" (well, there are even TWO !). Maybe that can help ? [[User:François Paganel|François Paganel]] ([[User talk:François Paganel|talk]]) 18:45, 15 December 2014 (PST)
:::The [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BreadCrumbs first] is a strange way of doing breadcrumbs. The [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BreadCrumbs2 2nd] is the right one which will need manual creation of the breadcrumb data. Its up to Sahab and I can install it if he wants that. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 05:33, 16 December 2014 (PST)

== Introducing our editors to the readers ==

What can be done to make the site more inviting and more likely to connect with our readers and most importantly, potential editors? I've always thought of a page where we can list our significant current and past (retired) editors. Even if there are only a few people to mention it could be done. An summary of the kind of work they've done would be nice. That recognition would be nice and people would be interested in seeing who is doing what.

I feel this will make people more interested in joining the website as an editor when they feel a social connection to the site.

Any thoughts? --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 05:36, 5 July 2014 (PDT)

== Invites to Notable Internet critics of Islam ==

Both of these people are very knowledgeable about Islam and I would like to invite them to join our site:
* KlingsChor ([http://www.youtube.com/user/Klingschor Youtube], [http://klingschor.blogspot.com/ Blog], [https://twitter.com/Klingschor Twitter]) and
* TheRationalizer ([http://www.youtube.com/user/TheRationalizer Youtube], [http://therationaliser.blogspot.com/ Blog], [https://twitter.com/TheRationaliser Twitter])

I'm in touch with TheRationalizer and have told him that I hope he joins us. I commented on Klingschor's Youtube channel and invited him too but he may not have read it so I will try to create a formal invitation and deliver the invite to them personally and we can also show the invite on the website (which can also be an introduction for them containing information about the internet presence and their areas of interest).

Anyone else who should be on this list? --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 11:52, 5 July 2014 (PDT)

== How to Add a translation to an article ==

I have translated a complete article to another language in my sandbox. Now I need a step by step process how to add this translation in the language catagory.

Should I edit the main English article and paste my own translation in the wikitext after deleting the main article and then submit my changes for approval?

== Swedish translation ==

Greetings. I have plenty of Wiki experience from gaming wikis and I thought I may be able to help out here a bit now and then. Primarily I may want to start translating articles into Swedish. Sweden is quite prominent in certain aspects of Islam, especially since we have a large minority muslims and our government caters to the more fundamentalist aspects of Islam (they, both sides, seem to have no clue about the difference between moderate and fundamental followers of the religion) and I think there may be an interest for some of these articles in Swedish.

I'm happy to translate things as I go along, and I was thinking of starting pretty soon, but what articles do you think are most prominent and best candidates for translations? A question could be about which pages are visited the most etc.

Mind you that Swedes have a very good knowledge of English, in most cases, so many things can easily remain in English, such as the Quran stuff. I can't be bothered to find a Swedish Quran and copy all your hard work. I'm thinking more general articles on abrogations and stuff like that.

Open for suggestions!

[[User:Leord|Leord]] ([[User talk:Leord|talk]]) 01:57, 20 August 2014 (PDT)

:Here is the list: [[WikiIslam:Translations]] You can go ahead with it in a sandbox. See [[Abrogation]] it has 3 articles, I think they are complete and hence fit for translation but take a second opinion on them. More links in [[Contradictions and Errors]]. Then there is [[WikiIslam:Site Map]] and Tasks to pick anything of your choice. Another interesting article is [[Questions to Ask About Islam]] but it keeps receiving some additions. [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 04:42, 20 August 2014 (PDT)
:Hi Leord, thanks for joining. Yea it would be great to have some articles in Swedish. You can do the Abrogation articles if you like but how about [[72 Virgins]]. This will remain a popular topic and there's a lot of wrong information for this topic that needs to be challenged. Other articles on our [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Translations#Articles_to_Translate Translation] page include [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad List of killings by Muhammad], [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Health_Effects_of_Islamic_Dress Health effects of Islamic dress] (if there are many Hijabs, Veils seen in Sweden), [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Invitations_to_Islam_Prior_to_Violence Invitations to Violence], etc. Let me know what you want to start and I'll make a page for you that you can directly edit. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 05:10, 20 August 2014 (PDT)
:: Brilliant guys, quick reply as well, nice. Cool, I will look into these over the next couple of days. As I said, Swedes are generally very proficient in English, so this is more a means to make it feel "more like home" for some parts of the possible audience than an essential service. As such I don't think the Swedish section will ever need a sub-domain, but it's better to simply link freely to English articles from the Swedish ones, and then have a translation choice on the English for the pertient ones you pointed out. It will probably take me a while to sort it all out.
:: I am also pretty used to both editing and article writing, so I'll give them all a once-over for grammar, wording, meaning, etc before I start. Probably won't hurt, anyway. :) 10:01, 20 August 2014 (PDT)
:::Ok, sounds good. Let me know here when you have a choice. Good to know Swedish people are somewhat familiar with english. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 19:45, 20 August 2014 (PDT)

== Making Pages easier to find ==

Upon doing a Google search for 'Taqiyya' (and all it's spelling variants)I was surprised and disappointed to find that wikislam did not come up (at least not in the first 5 pages). I'm not sure what (if anything) can be done to fix this, so I thought I should mention it. It is likely that this is an issue with other pages/topics/terms as well. I was thinking that the reason is due to the fact that there is no specific Taqiyya Page with the term Taqiyya in the title. I was wondering if I, or preferably a more experienced editor, could create a page specifically on the topic of Taqiyya or just create the page and have a link to http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Lying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Yaakov|Yaakov]] ([[User talk:Yaakov|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Yaakov|contribs]]) {{#if:12:20, 20 August 2014‎| 12:20, 20 August 2014‎|}} ([[WikiIslam:Signatures#Signing_Posts|Remember to sign your comments]]) 

: Sounds like a good idea to me. That is a start, the next step is also to get people to link the pages, THAT really adds google ranking. [[User:Leord|Leord]] ([[User talk:Leord|talk]]) 13:17, 20 August 2014 (PDT)
::"Taqiyya" could become a redirect. I am not sure if it will affect the Google hits as a redirect. @Axius, can you look into it? [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 13:21, 20 August 2014 (PDT)
::: Unless you get hundreds of pages to link to the redirect, then NO, it does not. However, for SEO purposes, it's better to have separate articles with more specialised content linking each other (somethimes it's better with one bigger article, it depends, but in THIS case it would be ideal). Taqiyya is a very prominant concept when tackling Islam, I definitely think it would help to make sure it had its own article. I have quite a background in web... [[User:Leord|Leord]] ([[User talk:Leord|talk]]) 13:25, 20 August 2014 (PDT)
::::Taqiyya already redirects to [[Lying]]. There is a reason why we don't have a page on Taqiyya (and hopefully never will); it is seen as a predominantly Shi'ite practice used by them to save their own lives. Lying to non-Muslims to forward Islam is supported by Muslim texts, that is why we cover it all in [[Lying_-_Primary_Sources|Lying (Primary Sources)]]. But as soon as critics mislabel it as "Taqiyya" they lose all credibility. We call it what it is; lying. No fancy words needed. Of course we do have a section within there that covers Taqiyya but that is only a small part of the entire subject. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 13:35, 20 August 2014 (PDT)
:::::I would be in favor of having a (small) page on Taqiya to tell people what it is and what its not (so everyone can know including critics of Islam) and it can link to Lying but its to Sahab and he says there shouldnt be a page on it so there. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 12:25, 21 August 2014 (PDT)
::::::Actually Ax, your idea of having a stub on the subject is a good idea if done right. It should basically say taqiyya simply refers to Muslims lying to protect themselves (certainly not what these editors are suggesting, to conflate a single aspect of lying with the entire subject of lying itself). It literally only has to be a few sentences long. It would, once and for all, put an end to people trying to smear this site by claiming WikiIslam supports the idea of taqiyya specifically referring to Muslims being allowed to lie freely to everyone. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 10:57, 22 August 2014 (PDT)
:::::::Axius, I've created that page now[http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Taqiyya] (it's a mix of my writing and the dhimmi views from Wikipedia). Let me know what you think. I would stress the need to watch that page carefully. If editors start editing it and claiming lying = taqiyya then it would impact the site's accuracy and credibility in a big way. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 13:08, 22 August 2014 (PDT)
::::::::Yup great job, looks great. Its definitely better to have this stub for everyone's sake. I havent tried to understand it in detail but I get the general idea. If anyone wants to change the article they would have to get pretty authentic sources to change the meanings. I was also not clear on the meaning of the term myself until a few years ago so its good to have this page for everyone. Seeing this page and the QHS:Lying page, many people will realize these are two different things and the QHS:Lying of course is a unique collection not available anywhere else. This should also make people who wanted to have a page on it. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 16:38, 22 August 2014 (PDT)

==Reviewing==
Guys, you are invited to review my edits. There are too many and the admins currently do not have time to review them. They are major additions proposed at [[User:Saggy/Sandbox - Issues with Quran and Hadith]]; categorised by article. [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 05:16, 22 August 2014 (PDT)

== Inspired by Muhammad: Dog Hadiths ==

Hello. I looked at the links to the Hadiths concerning killing dogs and restricting to killing black dogs from this page: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Inspired_by_Muhammad#Killing_Dogs

It seems that the links do not take you to the hadiths you are quoting. Maybe the site was updated or whoever created the page made a mistake. I thought you should know.

Specifically, it's the Sahih Muslim 16:2840 and Sahih Muslim 16:2839.

I think the hadiths are Abu-Dawud: http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/abudawud/016-sat.php [[User:Paul99|Paul99]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 16:46, 28 August 2014 (GMT)

== How do I upload content from files ? ==

I have A LOT of content

^^^^ Hey, guys, you sure did not think about people using other font size than yours ! The icon menu overlapped the text zone on my system (Linux Mint 17) ;-)

OK. I have a WHOLE LOT of French texts about islam, that I wrote myself, (PDF, LibreOffice...) and even a French Mediawiki database (which I have on my computer for persnal use, but which is not connected to the Net) about the subject. Do you have use for them ? How can I upload them, if the answer is yes ?

More details here : https://www.facebook.com/groups/738034866282996/

The database in MySql dump format can be downloaded from there under the name xxx.txt.
The PDF "Monsieur Ha Ca" can be downloaded from there too. [[User:François Paganel|François Paganel]] ([[User talk:François Paganel|talk]]) 18:42, 15 December 2014 (PST)
:Do wikipedia pages come out ok? How about The main [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki Mediawiki] site? Your OS is not a common choice so its probably not worth trying to fix it.
:For your other content it depends on what the quality is. Please dont upload anything before showing a sample of the writing. Also currently we dont have any french editors on the site to review the material. Can you upload it on a regular website like a blog, or just make a temporary sandbox here for one of your pages you want to show? That facebook page shows an error (not available). Its strange that you've uploaded a Mediawiki wiki database... to Facebook.com? I dont understand how thats possible. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 05:38, 16 December 2014 (PST)

::Hi François. Without a trusted French administrator who understands this site's policies and guidelines, it is not possible for us to fully judge the quality of original works, hence why the policies state that sub-domains can only be started when there are a front page's worth of translations (about 25-35 articles) and one reliable editor, and only then are they "free to evolve separately to the English site in style and {{underline|content}}".

::The content may be great, but we have no way to evaluate it completely. Looking at what you wrote on your user page isn't encouraging, it suggests to me that the content will most likely be breaking a whole host of WikiIslam's policies, both for style and content.

::Speaking of user pages, I have deleted those promotional links from there. You have not read the "[[WikiIslam:Message to New Users|Message to New Users]]", otherwise you'd know our policies concerning them (see: [[WikiIslam:User Names and Pages]]). Links are allowed after 50 positive edits (i.e. main space edits that are not reverted or need to be fixed by others).

::Instead of your original content, why not consider translating existing English pages into French? If you like that idea, you can learn how to do that on [[WikiIslam:Instructions for Translators]].

::Anyhow, please do read the "[[WikiIslam:Message to New Users|Message to New Users]]" before making any more contributions to the wiki. Thanks. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 09:44, 16 December 2014 (PST)
:::"Its strange that you've uploaded a Mediawiki wiki database... to Facebook.com?"
:::I mean I updated of course its MySQL '''dump''' in ASCII form so anybody can recreate it quickly on his/her own machine. 3,8 Mo (3 758 022 octets) :-) [[User:François Paganel|François Paganel]] ([[User talk:François Paganel|talk]]) 13:06, 21 December 2014 (PST)

== Translations ==

Hi Wikiislam i am former editor of Sekulyarizm.org first Azerbaijan website about atheist and criticism of İslam.I want to help Wikiislam about translation of articles into Azerbaijani language.I would be happy if you help me about this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Aykhan|Aykhan]] ([[User talk:Aykhan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aykhan|contribs]]) {{#if:| |}} ([[WikiIslam:Signatures#Signing_Posts|Remember to sign your comments]]) 
:hi, welcome to the site. Please see [[WikiIslam:Instructions for Translators]] for instructions. [[List of Killings Ordered or Supported by Muhammad]] is a good choice. Also we have two or three articles from that website [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Category:Sekulyarizm.org]. It might have been you who was the original author of those articles. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 15:37, 21 January 2015 (PST)
I started to translate that article but i can't move it to translations section please help
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Sandbox/M%C9%99h%C9%99mm%C9%99d_t%C9%99r%C9%99find%C9%99n_sifari%C5%9F_v%C9%99_yaxud_d%C9%99st%C9%99kl%C9%99n%C9%99n_q%C9%99tll%C9%99r

==Pederasty and Racism by Muhammad. ==

Volunteer needed! Editors! Help me to create the topic Pederasty by Muhamad.

I believe Pederasty by Muhammad and also Racism should be core topics.

I added this remark to the topic racism:

" This text suggests that Muhammad invented the systematic enslavement of Africans and that all enslavement of Africans was inspired by him:
{{Quote|{{Tabari|2|p. 11}}|"Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. '''He prayed that the African's color would change''' so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks."}} "

Here some stuff for a Pederasty by Muhammad topic-page:

Pederasty by Muhammad:
Pasted from https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/04/10/hadith-prophet-muhammad-kissed-the-penis-of-small-boys/comment-page-1/ :
" “And there shall wait on them [the Muslim men] young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls.”

Hadith Number 16245, Volume Title: “The Sayings of the Syrians,” Chapter Title: “Hadith of Mu’awiya Ibn Abu Sufyan”:

“I saw the prophet – pbuh – sucking on the tongue or the lips of Al-Hassan son of Ali, may the prayers of Allah be upon him. For no tongue or lips that the prophet sucked on will be tormented (by hell fire)

He (the Prophet) lift up his (al Hassan’s) shirt and kissed his (little) penis..” ﻦﻴﺴﺤﻟاوأ ﻦﺴﺤﻟا ﺔﺒﻴﺑز ﻞﺒﻗ ﻢﻠﺳو ﻪﻴﻠﻋ ﷲ ﻰﻠﺻ ﻪﻧأ ىور He (the prophet) kissed the (little) penis of al Hassan or al Husein ﻪﺘﺒﻴﺑز ﻞﺒﻗو ﻦﻴﺴﺤﻟا يﺬﺨﻓ ﻦﻴﺑ ﺎﻣ جﺮﻓ ﻢﻠﺳ و ﻪﻴﻠﻋ ﷲ ﻰﻠﺻ ﻲﺒﻨﻟا ﺖﻳأر He (the prophet) put Husein’s legs apart and kissed his (little) penis

Another Hadith. Majma al-Zawa’id, Ali ibn Abu Bakr al-Haythami, 299/9 ﻦﺴﺣ هدﺎﻨﺳإو ﻲﻧاﺮﺒﻄﻟا هاور ﻪﺘﺒﻴﺑز ﻞﺒﻗ و ﻦﻴﺴﺤﻟا يﺬﺨﻓ ﻦﻴﺑ ﺎﻣ جﺮﻓ ﻢﻠﺳو ﻪﻴﻠﻋ ﷲ ﻰﻠﺻ ﷲ لﻮﺳر ﺖﻳأر

ﻲﻤﺜﻴﻬﻟا ﺮﻜﺑ ﻰﺑأ ﻦﺑ ﻲﻠﻌﻟﺪﺋاوﺰﻟا ﻊﻤﺠﻣ translated into English: “I saw the Messenger of Allah pbuh putting Husein’s legs apart and kissing his (little) penis.”

Related by Al-Tabarani and it’s authentication is fully validated by Islamic scholars.

Hussein and Hassan is not the same name, so clearly this is of two accounts and he kissed more than one penis."

Pasted from http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2014/04/yahya-snow-advocates-sucking-on-tongues.html?m=1:

"Al-Adab al-Mufrad al-Bukhari 1183—It is related that Abu Hurayra said, "I never saw al-Hasan without my eyes overflowing with tears. That is because the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, went out one day and I found him in the mosque. He took my hand and I went along with him. He did not speak to me until we reached the market of Banu Qaynuqa. He walked around it and looked. Then he left and I left with him until we reached the mosque. He sat down and wrapped himself in his garment. Then he said, 'Where is the little one? Call the little one to me.' Hasan came running and jumped into his lap. Then he put his hand in his beard. Then the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, opened his mouth and put his tongue in his mouth. Then he said, O Allah, I love him, so love him and the one who loves him!'" (Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari, Number 1183)

Musnad Ahmad 16245—[Mua’wiya said]: I saw the prophet sucking on the tongue or the lips of Al-Hassan son of Ali, may the prayers of Allah be upon him. For no tongue or lips that the prophet sucked on will be tormented (by hell fire)." —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Guide|Guide]] ([[User talk:Guide|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Guide|contribs]]) {{#if: 20:00, 20 February 2015 | 20:00, 20 February 2015 |}} ([[WikiIslam:Signatures#Signing_Posts|Remember to sign your comments]]) 

:First of of all, before attempting to make any more contributions, please read the "[[WikiIslam:Message to New Users]]" in its entirety and follow whatever instructions are applicable to you.

:Secondly, I have removed your edits to Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Racism‎. What you wrote was absolute rubbish. Enslavement of Africans existed long before Prophet Muhammad was born. The Curse of Ham nonsense already existed in the Jewish Talmud long before Muhammad was born, and I doubt the European Neanderthals who enslaved Africans where inspired specifically by Muhammad. A case could probably be made that the resurgence of slavery or its perpetuance among Europeans was "inspired" to some degree by the actions of their Muslim contemporaries, but that's hardly the same thing.

:Thirdly, we will not be making racism and pederasty into core topics. To be a core topic, it has to be very general in its scope and there must be a lot of material to justify its status. If we had an article on "pederasty" it would belong in the "Pedophilia" core topic which obviously encompasses such things as that.

:Fourthly, we do not exaggerate or take issues out of context here. Muhammad may qualify as a modern-day pedophile, but he was a heterosexual pedophile, not a homosexual one. Nothing you have quoted here suggests otherwise. I would think anyone who is an ex-Muslim or is familiar with Middle-Eastern culture would realize that. Actually, I'm sure the tongue kiss thing is used somewhere here as an argument for pedophilia, but it is inaccurate so I will remove it. Thanks. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 07:05, 21 February 2015 (PST)

== Romanian translation ==

Hi people, I want to translate this in Romanian. I have edited on Wikipedia a few years ago, I think I can manage...
How this starts, what shall I do? [[User:Michael|Michael]] ([[User talk:Michael|talk]]) 17:23, 17 August 2015 (PDT)
:I would like to see a translation of [[72 Virgins]]. We have others listed here [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Translations#Articles_to_Translate]. If you tell me which article you want to do and its translated title, I can make a copy of that page that you can edit.
:I also renamed that image to a better file name and inserted a disclaimer. See this part of the [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Frequently_Asked_Questions#What_is_the_religious_persuasion_of_the_contributors_to_WikiIslam.3F FAQ]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 18:27, 17 August 2015 (PDT)

== My idea ==

Here is my idea:

TEXTS TO BE USED

1. "Sirat Rasul Allah" pages 111-690 (minus poetry and lists of names).

2. Bukhari/Muslim with repetition cut out.

3. The Qur'an.

INSTRUCTIONS

We start with 1. It will serve as the "skeleton".

Some of 2 describe specific events (2a) and some of 2 do not describe specific events (2b).

We insert 2a into the text of 1, where the events occur.

We insert 2b where the topic arises in 1's text.

Finally, we insert the verses of 3 where they were revealed. (Both 1 and 2 tell us where verses were revealed).

When this is completed, it would serve as an authoritative, one-stop reference. It would be the totality of Islam in one document.

-Enterusername
:What makes the totality of Islam is subjective. There are other texts too. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 22:30, 4 September 2015 (PDT)

Other texts can be included. "Good" Hadiths can be included in number 2 as well.
If this was completed, it would serve as the totality of ''authoritative knowledge'' about Islam.
:You can work on it if you like (in the sandbox space first). I can tell you how to start. It would fall under the [[essay]] category. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 07:20, 5 September 2015 (PDT)

== Article Idea ==

I have an idea for an article:

A complete list of all the events that occurred between Muhammad, the Quraysh, and the Jews, along with a final moral analysis.

== ALL LINKS TO VERSES @ usc.edu ARE DEAD ==

ALL LINKS TO VERSES @ usc.edu ARE DEAD. Either a new site must be found, or a possible solution might be to link to an archived version of the pages through one (or more) of the following:

http://'''webcache.googleusercontent.com'''/search?q=cache: [original URL]

https://'''web.archive.org'''/web/*/ [original URL]

http://'''archive.is'''/ [original URL]

[[User:Yaakovaryeh|Yaakovaryeh]] ([[User talk:Yaakovaryeh|talk]]) 17:07, 18 October 2016 (EDT)
:It was definitely working yesterday clicking links from wikiislam. I think it's probably just gone down temporarily (has happened before)[[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 17:15, 18 October 2016 (EDT)

== CMJE web no longer offers quran and hadiths ==

The templates converting hadith/verse number to cmje url don't work anymore. We should start using other website, or use our own quran / hadiths. [[User:Prekladator|Prekladator]] ([[User talk:Prekladator|talk]]) 04:48, 18 December 2016 (EST)
:Yeah, it's not worked since mid October. I contacted one of the cmje members and they got it working again for a few weeks, but now it's down again. They say they have problems maintaining the site. I'm working on a new solution involving another Qur'an and hadith site, but first I am trying to get some of the templates we need unlocked so editor user rights can change them. I know someone who has an excellent site with many great features better than cmje that will be able to work with the existing usc-msa hadith citations on wikiislam as well as new ones after I've changed the templates. I can get the Qur'an links working as soon as I've got the template rights changed and hadiths hopefully fairly soon after when the other site is able to take them.[[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 20:22, 19 December 2016 (EST)

=== Transition from CMJE to QuranX===
I can edit the templates now (I asked for the templates to be unprotected so Editors could change them, but they seem to have decided instead to give me Admin rights). The eventual permanent exmna admin can unprotect them if he/she decides to in future (they are in transition between admins).

The site we will be using as a replacement for cmje is [http://quranx.com/ QuranX.com]. It combines many of the best features of other well known sites, and as such is an excellent research productivity tool. To start with I've just made the Qur'an templates point there. Some improvements to the QuranX site are soon coming which we can use (e.g. showing the linked verse(s) in context). Hadith templates will be directed there too once it is able to interpret the obsolete usc-msa numbering scheme used by the existing hadith citations here. If there are any technical problems in future with the site we will be using please contact therationaliser[[file:At-sign.gif]]gmail.com [[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 23:42, 28 December 2016 (EST)
:Hadiths for the old cmje collections (Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, Al-Muwatta) should be working again now. Links to them are now using the quranx site. There's some more work to do (minor feature improvements, and a process comparing the translations with cmje (quranx includes some corrections to the cmje translations), but it's good that we have something once again.

:We are also using the new QuranX features allowing alternative referencing systems to be used when citing hadiths (USC-MSA and in-book reference, which also appear on another well known hadith site but without the ability to link using the USC-MSA system). The templates for these 4 collections now allow an in-book reference alternative to the default USC-MSA reference system. This is useful as there are many hadiths that appear on QuranX that were omitted on the old cmje site's hadith collections (especially in cmje's abridged Abu Dawud collection). These hadiths usually have been given a USC-MSA number the same as adjacent hadiths that were on cmje. The in-book referencing system can be used to cite them specifically, or otherwise using the default USC-MSA system, all the hadiths that have a cited USC-MSA number will be listed when there is more than one.[[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 01:04, 3 January 2017 (EST)
::The current hadith template is probably causing an Enter. See [[Glossary of Islamic Terms#M|the last part of this section]]. [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 15:00, 3 January 2017 (EST)
:::Thanks, I think it's fixed now. There are also some minor issues with the usc hadith numbers in the data set on QuranX that I'm also helping them fix.[[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 15:55, 3 January 2017 (EST)

== Offline version? ==

When I am in an article and click "Printable version" I can make a nice PDF out of that article. I think you could upload somewhere (I wouldn't overload this site) a big zip with all articles in PDF. And then people who might have limited internet access could study offline also. Maybe they can't access wikiislam, but they can download the bunch of PDFs somewhere. And also if there was a printed version, that would be also great. Doesn't have to be everything, it could be "The Best of WikiIslam" for example. [[User:Prekladator|Prekladator]] ([[User talk:Prekladator|talk]]) 19:38, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

== Mass deletion of hundreds of pages ==

I recently came across a couple of links to dead pages ([[Islam Science and the Problems at Wikipedia]], [[Notable Former Muslims]], and [[People Who Left Islam]]) and noticed that they were all deleted by the same user - AbdulHurayrah (at the same time - 20:25, 26 December 2018). So I looked into it and found that in his first 2 days of editing, he deleted over 700 pages (at least a quarter of the pages on the site):

@ 20:25, 26 December 2018 he deleted 403 pages including:
150 "farsideology" pages, 28 "Videos on Islam" pages, 24 "The Root of Terrorism" pages, 19 "Mind of the Musulman" pages, 18 "Islam on the Net" pages, 13 "Islam Illustrated" pages, and about 150 other random pages including the 3 I previously mentioned (I didn't go thru all of them, but one particularly interesting looking one that caught my eye was [[The Handbook to Debating Non-Muslims]]).

@ 14:24, 27 December 2018 he deleted 320 "former Muslim" pages.

@ 16:17, 28 December 2018 he was indefinitely blocked by Damaskin for Vandalism.

@ 16:28, 28 December 2018 he was unblocked by Damaskin.

I presume the deletions were in good faith to make Wikiislam more objective, less hostile, more palatable to Muslims, etc. and it might even be right, but what troubles me most is the total lack of any apparent/transparent discussion/consensus prior to this sudden mass deletion (by a new editor). (Not to mention all the wasted time and effort that must have gone into those pages). --[[User:Yaakovaryeh|Yaakovaryeh]] ([[User talk:Yaakovaryeh|talk]]) 01:13, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Homosexuality

2019-10-25T21:06:51Z

Yaakovaryeh: /* Al Tirmidhi */ corrected first citation which was wrong, and added to 2nd citation to make it the same format as the rest of the article

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==Qur'an==
{{quote |{{Quran|4|16}} (also see [[#Tafsir_Quran_4_16|Tafsirs]] of this verse below)|'''If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both'''. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for Allah is Oft-returning, Most Merciful.}}

{{quote |{{Quran|7|80}}|We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: "'''Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds'''. And his people gave no answer but this: they said, "Drive them out of your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!" But we saved him and his family, except his wife: she was of those who legged behind. '''And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): Then see what was the end of those who indulged in sin and crime!'''}}

{{quote |{{Quran|26|165}}| "'''Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males''', And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? '''Nay, ye are a people transgressing (all limits)!'''" They said: "If thou desist not, O Lut! thou wilt assuredly be cast out!" He said: "'''I do detest your doings. O my Lord! deliver me and my family from such things as they do!'''" So We delivered him and his family,- all Except an old woman who lingered behind. Then afterward We destroyed the others. '''We rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): and evil was the shower on those who were admonished (but heeded not)!'''}}

{{quote |{{Quran|27|54}}|(We also sent) Lut (as a messenger): behold, He said to his people, "'''Do ye do what is shameful though ye see (its iniquity)? Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant!''' But his people gave no other answer but this: they said, "Drive out the followers of Lut from your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!" Then We saved him and his household save his wife; We destined her to be of those who stayed behind. And '''We rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): and evil was the shower on those who were admonished (but heeded not)!'''}}

{{quote |{{Quran|29|28}}|And (remember) Lut: behold, he said to his people: "'''Ye do commit lewdness''', such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you. "'''Do ye indeed approach men''', and cut off the highway?- and practise wickedness (even) in your councils?" But his people gave no answer but this: they said: "Bring us the Wrath of Allah if thou tellest the truth." He said: "O my Lord! help Thou me against people who do mischief!" When Our Messengers came to Abraham with the good news, they said: "'''We are indeed going to destroy the people of this township: for truly they are (addicted to) crime.'''"}}

==Hadith==

===Sahih Bukhari===

{{quote |{{Bukhari|7|72|774}}|Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: '''The Prophet cursed effeminate men'''; those men who are in the similitude (assume the manners of women) and those women who assume the manners of men, and he said, "'''Turn them out of your houses.'''" The Prophet turned out such-and-such man, and 'Umar turned out such-and-such woman.}}

{{quote |{{Bukhari|8|82|820}}|Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: '''The Prophet cursed effeminate men''' and those women who assume the similitude (manners) of men. He also said, "'''Turn them out of your houses.'''" He turned out such-and-such person out, and 'Umar turned out such-and-such person.}}

===Abu Dawud===

{{quote | {{Abudawud|38|4447}} | Narated By Abdullah ibn Abbas : The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, '''kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done'''.}}

{{quote | {{Abudawud|38|4448}} | Narated By Abdullah ibn Abbas : If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, '''he will be stoned to death'''.}}

{{quote | {{Abudawud|31|4007}} | Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri:

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: '''A man should not look at the private parts of another man, and a woman should not look at the private parts of another woman'''. A man should not lie with another man without wearing lower garment under one cover; and a woman should not be lie with another woman without wearing lower garment under one cover. }}

{{quote | {{Abudawud|31|4008}} | Narrated AbuHurayrah:

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: '''A man should not lie with another man and a woman should not lie with another woman''' without covering their private parts except a child or a father. He also mentioned a third thing which I forgot.}}

{{quote | {{Abudawud|11|2169}} |AbuDawud said: From here I remembered this tradition from Mu'ammil and Musa: '''Beware! No man should lie with another man, no woman should lie with another woman''' except with one's child or father. He also mentioned a third which I have forgotten...}}

{{Quote|{{Abudawud|32|4087}}|Narrated AbuHurayrah:

The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) '''cursed the man who dressed like a woman and the woman who dressed like a man'''.}}

{{Quote|{{Abudawud|32|4088}}|Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:

Ibn AbuMulaykah told that when someone remarked to Aisha that a woman was wearing sandals, she replied: '''The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) cursed mannish women'''.}}

===Al Tirmidhi===

{{quote |[https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/17/40 Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3:15:1456 (Hasan)]|Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: That the Messenger of Allah said: "Whomever you find doing the actions of the people of Lut then kill the one doing it, and the one it is done to."}}

{{quote |[https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/17/41 Tirmidhi 3:5:1457 (Da'if)]|It was narrated by Jaabir (may Allah be pleased with him): "The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: ''''There is nothing I fear for my ummah more than the deed of the people of Loot.''''"}}

===Ibn Majah===

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|9|3|9|1903}}|It was narrated from Abu Hurairah:

that '''the Messenger of Allah cursed women who imitate men and men who imitate women'''. (Sahih)}}

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|9|3|9|1904}}|It was narrated from Ibn 'Abbas:

that '''the Prophet cursed men who imitate women and woman who imitate men'''. (Sahih)}}

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|20|3|20|2561}}|It was narrated from Ibn`Abbas that the Messenger of Allah said: “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Lut, '''kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done'''.” (Hasan)}}

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|20|3|20|2562}}|It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that the Prophet said concerning those who do the action of the people of Lut: “'''Stone the upper and the lower, stone them both'''.” (Hasan)}}

===Al Muwatta===

{{Quote|{{Muwatta|41|41|1|11}}|Malik related to me that he asked Ibn Shihab about someone who committed sodomy. Ibn Shihab said, "'''He is to be stoned''', whether or not he is muhsan."}}

===Miscellaneous===

{{Quote|Narrated by Ahmad, 1878: Classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, no. 5891|It was narrated that Ibn Abbaas said: “The Prophet Muhammed (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "... cursed is the one who has intercourse with an animal, '''cursed is the one who does the action of the people of Loot'''."}}

{{Quote|Mishkat, vol. 1, p. 765, Prescribed Punishments|Ibn Abbas and Abu Huraira reported God's messenger as saying, 'Accursed is he who does what Lot's people did.' In a version...on the authority of Ibn Abbas it says that Ali [Muhammad's cousin and son-in-law] '''had two people “burned”''' and that Abu Bakr [Muhammad's chief companion] '''had a wall thrown down on them'''.}}

==Scholars==

===Classical===

{{anchor|Tafsir_Quran_4_16}}
====Al Jalalayn====

{{Quote|{{cite web quotebox|url= http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=4&tAyahNo=16&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2|title= Surah 4 Ayah 16|publisher= Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute for Islamic Thought|author= Feras Hamza (trans.)|series= Tafsir al-Jalalayn|date= |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.altafsir.com%2FTafasir.asp%3FtMadhNo%3D0%26tTafsirNo%3D74%26tSoraNo%3D4%26tAyahNo%3D16%26tDisplay%3Dyes%26UserProfile%3D0%26LanguageId%3D2&date=2014-05-29 |deadurl=no}}|And when '''two of you''' (read wa’lladhāni or wa’lladhānni) '''men''', commit it, that is, a lewd act, adultery or homosexual intercourse, punish them both, with insults and beatings with sandals; but if they repent, of this [lewd act], and make amends, through [good] action, then leave them be, and do not harm them. God ever turns [relenting], to those who repent, and is Merciful, to them. This [verse] is abrogated by the prescribed punishment if adultery is meant [by the lewd act], and similarly if homosexual intercourse is meant, according to al-Shāfi‘ī; but according to him, the person who is the object of the [penetrative] act is not stoned, even if he be married; rather, he is flogged and banished. Judging by the dual person pronoun, it seems more obvious that '''homosexual fornication is meant [by this verse]''', even though the former [sc. al-Shāfi‘ī] was of the opinion that it referred to an adulterer and an adulteress; but this [opinion of his] may be countered by the fact that [the reference to] the two [men] becomes clear on account of the particle min being attached to a masculine pronoun [minkum, ‘of you’], and by the fact that they suffer the same punishment, [both effect the action of] repentance and [are both granted] that they be left alone [thereafter], '''[all of] which applies specifically to men''', given that for women detention is stipulated, as was stated before.}}

====Ibn Kathir====

{{quote |{{cite web quotebox|url= http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=698&Itemid=59|title= The Adulteress is Confined in her House; A Command Later Abrogated|publisher=Tafsir Ibn Kathir|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.qtafsir.com%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26task%3Dview%26id%3D698%26Itemid%3D59&date=2014-05-29|deadurl=no}}|[وَاللَّذَانَ يَأْتِيَـنِهَا مِنكُمْ فَـَاذُوهُمَا]

(And the two persons among you who commit illegal sexual intercourse, punish them both. [Qur'an 4:16]) Ibn `Abbas and Sa`id bin Jubayr said that this punishment includes cursing, shaming them and beating them with sandals. This was the ruling until '''Allah abrogated it with flogging or stoning,''' as we stated. Mujahid said, "It was revealed about the case of two men who do it." As if he was referring to the actions of the people of Lut, and Allah knows best. The collectors of Sunan recorded that Ibn `Abbas said that the Messenger of Allah said,

«مَنْ رَأَيْتُمُوهُ يَعْمَلُ عَمَلَ قَوْمِ لُوطٍ، فَاقْتُلُوا الْفَاعِلَ وَالْمَفْعُولَ بِه»

('''Whoever you catch committing the act of the people of Lut (homosexuality), then kill both parties to the act.''')}}

{{quote | 1=[http://tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=7&tid=18236 The Story of Prophet Lut, upon Him be Peace, and His People] Tafsir 'Ibn Kathir|2=[أَتَأْتُونَ الْفَـحِشَةَ مَا سَبَقَكُمْ بِهَا مِنْ أَحَدٍ مِّن الْعَـلَمِينَ]

إِنَّكُمْ لَتَأْتُونَ الرّجَالَ شَهْوَةً مّن دُونِ النّسَآء]

("Do you commit lewdness such as none preceding you has committed in all of the nations Verily, you practice your lusts on men instead of women.") meaning, you left women whom Allah created for you and instead had sex with men Indeed, '''this behavior is evil and ignorant because you have placed things in their improper places.''' }}

====Ibn Al Qayyim====

{{Quote|Ibn al-Qayyim: Ad-Dā'i wa Dawā, p. 115|Both of them – fornication and homosexuality – involve immorality that goes against the wisdom of Allaah’s creation and commandment. '''For homosexuality involves innumerable evil and harms, and the one to whom it is done would be better off being killed than having this done to him, because after that he will become so evil and so corrupt that there can be no hope of his being reformed, and all good is lost for him, and he will no longer feel any shame before Allaah or before His creation.''' The semen of the one who did that to him will act as a poison on his body and soul. The scholars differed as to whether the one to whom it is done will ever enter Paradise. There are two opinions which I heard Shaykh al-Islam (may Allaah have mercy on him) narrate.” }}

===Modern===

====Al Munajjid====

{{Quote|[http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/38622/Stoning The punishment for homosexuality] Islam Q&A, Fatwa No. 38622|'''The crime of homosexuality is one of the greatest of crimes, the worst of sins and the most abhorrent of deeds''', and Allaah punished those who did it in a way that He did not punish other nations. It is indicative of violation of the fitrah, total misguidance, weak intellect and lack of religious commitment, and it is a sign of doom and deprivation of the mercy of Allaah. We ask Allaah to keep us safe and sound. }}

{{Quote|[http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/10050 Why does Islam forbid lesbianism and homosexuality?] Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid, Islam Q&A, Fatwa No. 10050|'''The spread of homosexuality has caused man diseases which neither the east nor the west can deny exist because of them'''. Even if the only result of this perversion was AIDS – which attacks the immune system in humans – that would be enough.}}

{{Quote|[http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/5177/Stoning Can those who have committed homosexual acts be forgiven, and is it permissible for such a person to get married?] Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid, Islam Q&A, Fatwa No. 5177|Praise be to Allaah.

'''Undoubtedly the sin of homosexuality is one of the worst sins; indeed, it is one of the major sins (kabaa’ir) that Allaah has forbidden'''. Allaah destroyed the people of Loot (peace be upon him) with the most terrifying kinds of punishment because they persisted in their sin and made this evil action commonplace and acceptable among themselves. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): ''[Quotes {{Quran|11|82-83}}, {{Quran|11|83}}, and {{Quran|54|37}}]''

[...]

Imaam Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

It was reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Kill the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.” (Reported by the four authors of Sunan. Its isnaad is saheeh. At-Tirmidhi said it is a hasan hadeeth).

Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq judged in accordance with this, and he wrote instructions to this effect to Khaalid, after consulting with the Sahaabah. ‘Ali was the strictest of them with regard to that. Ibn al-Qasaar and our shaykh said: the Sahaabah agreed that [the person who does homosexual acts] should be killed, but they differed as to how he should be killed. Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq said that he should be thrown down from a cliff. ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said that a wall should be made to collapse on him. Ibn ‘Abbaas said, they should be killed by stoning. This shows that there was consensus among them that [the person who does homosexual acts] should be killed, but they differed as to how he should be executed. This is similar to the ruling of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) concerning the person who has intercourse with a woman who is his mahram [incest], because in both cases intercourse is not permitted under any circumstances. Hence the connection was made in the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) who reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “Whoever you find doing the deed of the people of Loot, kill them.” And it was also reported that he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever has intercourse with a woman who is his mahram, kill him.” And according to another hadeeth with the same isnaad, “Whoever has intercourse with an animal, kill him and kill the animal with him.” (Narrated by Ahmad, 2420; Abu Dawood, 4464; al-Tirmidhi, 1454; al-Haakim, 4/355).

This ruling is in accordance with the ruling of sharee’ah, because the worse the haraam action is, the more severe the punishment for it. Having intercourse in a manner that is not permissible under any circumstances is worse than having intercourse in a manner which may be permitted in some circumstances, so its punishment is more severe. This was stated by Ahmad in one of the two reports narrated from him. (Zaad al-Ma’aad, part 5, p. 40-41).

'''The same applies to the sin of lesbianism. There is no doubt among the fuqahaa’ that lesbianism is haraam and is a major sin''', as stated by al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar (may Allaah have mercy on him). (Al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, part 24, p. 251).

With regard to the specific type of punishment mentioned in the question – stoning to death – this kind of punishment is for the adulterer who is married. '''The shar’i punishment for the crime of homosexuality is execution – by the sword''', according to the most correct view – as was narrated in the discussion above about the differences among the scholars as to how this execution should be carried out. As far as lesbianism is concerned, there is no hadd for it, but it is subject to ta’zeer [unspecified punishment to be determined at the discretion of the qaadi]. (al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, part 24, p. 253).}}

====Bakrin====

{{Quote|1=[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.tribune.com.ng/index.php/eyes-of-islam/33537-homosexuality-the-islamic-viewpoint|2=2012-01-06}} Homosexuality: The Islamic viewpoint] Imam Sirajudeen Bakrin, Nigerian Tribune, December 30, 2011|2='''Homosexuality is one of the worst crimes against creation, nature, religion and human existence'''. Its implications on the individuals and the society at large are manifold. Dr Muhammed, in his book entitled “Islam and Medicine” lists these implications to include:

(1) Aversion for women. Those who practise homosexuality usually don’t have desire for women. This negates one of the essence of marriage, procreation, which can only occur through cohabitation between men and women. Where individuals are compelled to have same sex wives or husbands, such people are deprived of love, mercy and tranquillity, which are the targets of marriage.

(2) Negative impacts on the nerves. This habit is injurious to the soul as it impacts negatively on the soul. This results into attack of psychological reflex in the character of the individual. He thinks that he ought not to have been created as a male. That is why you see gays dressing like women, especially those who occupy the portion of ‘wives’ in this animalistic tendency.

(3) '''Negative impacts on the brain. It causes great disorder in the equilibrium level of human intellect. His perception of issue is thus affected. There is a strong relationship between homosexuality and the proper function of the brain'''.}}

{{Quote|1=[{{Reference archive|1=http://tribune.com.ng/index.php/eyes-of-islam/33905-homosexuality-the-islamic-viewpoint-2|2=2012-01-06}} Homosexuality: The Islamic viewpoint (2)] Imam Sirajudeen Bakrin, Nigerian Tribune, December 30, 2011|2=... '''fight against homosexual act is not only religious, it is a natural obligation on lovers of human dignity and human rights activists'''.

A look at the nature of man exposes him as being disposed to varying indications. Some of these indication are good, while others are evil, bad and injurious to human existence. Therefore, there is the need for a restriction to human defiance which can result from bad inclination as it affects the society negatively.

Allah has narrated to us the story of Prophet Lut and his people and the punishment meted to them when they first came with this evil act. The Quran says. “And remember Lut, when he said to his people.

‘Do you commit the worst sin such as none preceding you has committed in the Alamin (mankind and .....) Verily, you practise your lusts on man instead of women. Nay, but you are a people transgressing beyond bounds by committing great sins. And the answer of his people was only that they said ‘Drive them out of your town, these are indeed men who want to be pure from sins. Then, we saved him and his family except his wife, she was of those who remained behind in the torment. And we rained down on them a rain of stones. Then see what was the end of the Mujrimun (sinners)” (Suratul A’raf: 80-84).

In suratul Hud, Allah says: “So when our commandment came, we turned the towns of Sodom upside down and rained on them stones of baked day piled up. Marked from your lord and they are not ever far from the Zalimun (evil doers)” (Hud: 82-83).

From the aforementioned verses of the Quran, it is obvious that Allah destroyed the first set of people to embark on this act by turning their towns upside down while they were thereafter pelted with stones.

'''Since this act is one of the most criminal acts in Islam, equally its punishment is one of the greatest. All Muslim scholars agreed that death is the basic judgement such individuals deserve. This is in line with the saying of Prophet Muhammad''' as reported by Ibn Abbas: “If anyone is caught committing the act of the people of Lut, kill both the committer and the person with whom the act is committed” (Abu Dawud).

However, there is a divergence of opinions on the methodology to be used in executing the punishment. '''While some scholars such as Abu bakr [the first Rightly-Guided Caliph] and Ali [Muhammad's son-in-law and the fourth Rightly-Guided Caliph ] were of the view that such a person should be beheaded and set on fire thereafter, Umar [the second Rightly-Guided Caliph] and Uthman [the third Rightly-Guided Caliph] thought the wall should be fell on him. To Ibn Abbas [Muhammad's cousin], he should be taken to the tallest building in the town, thrown upside down while some men stand on the ground waiting to meet him with stone in replication of the destruction done to the people of Lut by Allah'''.}}

====IslamOnline====

{{Quote|{{cite web quotebox|url= http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545556|title= Death Fall as Punishment for Homosexuality|publisher= IslamOnline|author= |date= July 22, 2002|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=https%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20091103195314%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.islamonline.net%2Fservlet%2FSatellite%3Fpagename%3DIslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaE%26cid%3D1119503545556&date=2014-10-28|deadurl=yes}}|
'''Question (Ahmad - United Kingdom)'''

Respected scholars of Islam, As-Salamu `Alaykum wa Rahamtu Allah wa Barakatuh. I have read in a newspaper that an Iranian man who was convicted of raping and killing his 16-year-old nephew is to be executed by being thrown off a cliff in sack; and if the man survives the fall down a rocky precipice, he will be hanged. What is your comment on this issue?

'''Answer'''

Dear brother in Islam, we do really appreciate your question, which shows how far you are interested in getting yourself well-aquatinted with Islam and its teachings. May Allah bless your efforts in the pursuit of knowledge!

First of all, it should be clear that this man committed two heinous crimes: 1) homosexuality, and 2) murder. Each crime is sufficient to warrant death penalty. In addition, this man has severed ties of kinship by seducing and killing his nephew.

The Glorious Qur’an is explicit in deciding the ''Hadd'' (legal penalty) for the crime of murder, when saying: '''“O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: …”''' (Al-Baqarah: 178)

Homosexuality, moreover, is an abomination and a grave sin. In Hadith, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, clarifies the gravity of this abomination by saying: '''“Allah curses the one who does the actions (homosexual practices) of the people of Lut”''' repeating it three times; and he said in another Hadith: '''“If a man comes upon a man then they are both adulterers.”''' Here, he considered homosexuality tantamount to adultery in relation to the Shari’ah punishments because it is an abomination on the one hand and the definition of adultery applies to it on the other hand.

However, death fall is not the sole penalty agreed upon by the Muslim Jurists as a punishment for this crime. The punishment here is controversial due to divergence of views among `Ulama in deducting ruling as regards this case from Shari`ah sources.

Focusing more on the question in point, the eminent Muslim scholar, ''Sheikh `Abdel Khaliq Hasan Ash-Shareef'', states:

“As regards this case (if genuine), this man committed two heinous crimes, which deserve severe punishment. He is a murderer and homosexual. Besides, he severed ties of kinship by doing such grave sins.

Death penalty (''Qisas'') is well established by the Qur’an in more than one verse. Allah, Most High, says: '''“O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: …”''' (Al-Baqarah: 178)

As to the issue of how the homosexual person is judged in an Islamic State, the Companions of Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessing be upon him differed among themselves on this issue, and this led to different views maintained by Muslim Jurists. For example, in the Hanafi school of thought, the homosexual is punished through harsh beating, and if he/she repeats the act, death penalty is to be applied. As for the Shafi`i school of thought, the homosexual receives the same punishment of adultery (if he/she is married) or fornication (if not married). This means, that if the homosexual is married, he/she is stoned to death, while if single, he/she is whipped 100 times. Hence, the Shafi`i compares the punishment applied in the case of homosexuality with that of adultery and fornication, while the Hanafi differentiates between the two acts because in homosexuality, the anus (a place of impurity) may also be involved while in adultery (and fornication), the penis/vagina (which are reproductive parts) are involved. Some scholars hold the opinion that the homosexual should be thrown from a high building as a punishment for his crime, but other scholars maintain that he should be imprisoned until death.

Based on the above fact, we can conclude that, the judge is invested with full discretion as to whether this man is to be thrown from a high place or not, as a punishment for his crime. However, if the man survives death fall, the judge has the right to sentence him to death.”

Shedding more light on the legal penalty for homosexuality, Dr. ''Taha Jaber Al-`Alwani'', President of the Graduate School of Islamic and Social Sciences and President of the Fiqh Council, states:

“The scholars of this Ummah are in agreement - based on what has been revealed in the Qur’an and what has been authenticated in the Prophetic Tradition (Sunnah)- on prohibiting both behaviors (gayness and lesbianism) because in each of two actions there is an assault on the humanity of a person, destruction of the family and a clash with aims of the Lawgiver, one of which is the establishment of sexual instincts between males and females so as to encourage the institution of marriage.

Islam does not view sexual desire as the main aim of marriage; for marriage is a means to acquire tranquility and to actualize the love and mercy between spouses. Furthermore, it is a means for the survival of human kind and fostering a web of sound relations that aid in building sound families that constitute the smallest units for the society at large; this healthy society being the final aim of Islam.

Actually, humans are not animals controlled by their sexual instincts, answering the call of sexual desires every time it is aroused in them. Rather, it is their responsibility to know how they can orient this craving, which is a trust Allah has implemented in them, both male and female, in addition to the will and power to choose, a blessing Allah has bestowed on humans; all this is what distinguishes them from the rest of the creatures in that they orient their conduct and do what is good.

So, viewing (material) desires as aims in themselves is a deviation from one’s natural disposition and a departure from the natural order. If the trend in the West is to legalize this conduct, it should be noted that such things did not materialize until after religious values had been diluted and had been changed to relative values that glorify individuality and make pleasures as an end and aim.

In Hadith, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, clarifies the gravity of this abomination by saying: '''“Allah curses the one who does the actions of the people of Lut”''' repeating it three times; and he said in another Hadith: '''“If a man comes upon a man then they are both adulterers.”''' Here, he considered homosexuality tantamount to adultery in relation to the Shari’ah punishments because it is an abomination on the one hand and the definition of adultery applies to it on the other hand. It has also been narrated from the Companions (may Allah be pleased with them) that this crime deserves severe punishment more than that of adultery to insure its deterrence and restraint. Verily, the punishment here is the burning of both homosexuals (the actor and acted upon) or stoning them with rocks till death because Allah Most High stoned the people of Lut after demolishing their village.
As for lesbians, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said about them: '''"If a woman comes upon a woman, they are both Adulteresses”'''. The scholars mentioned that it is incumbent on the authority to enact a reprimand on lesbians that is fitting to the crime committed.

It is true that some of the scholars disagreed with these punishments not because of doubt that these actions constitute a crime, but because of a lack of divine textual stipulation for a worldly punishment. But the actions of the Prophet’s Companions do indicate that in fact this crime has a worldly punishment, to be carried out by those in authority among the Muslims. The story of Abu Bakr Al-Siddiq when Khalid Ibn Al-Waleed wrote to him on this matter is famous and can be referenced in many sources.

[The story referred to above goes as follows:

"In his book ''Fat-h al-Qadir'', the famous Hanafi scholar, Ibn al-Humam states:

“Al-Bayhaqi reported in his book ''Shu`ab al-Iman'' on the authority of Abu ad-Dunya that Abd al-`Aziz ibn Abi Hazim related from Dawud ibn Bakr who related from Muhammad ibn al-Mukadir the following:

“Khalid Ibn al-Walid wrote to Abu Bakr [seeking the legal ruling] concerning a man with whom another man had sexual intercourse. Thereupon, Abu Bakr gathered the Companions of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and sought their opinion. `Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, was the strictest of all, saying, 'Only one nation disobeyed Allah by committing such sin and you know how Allah dealt with them. I see that we should burn the man with fire.’ The Companions unanimously agreed on this.” This incident is also mentioned by al-Waqidi under the subject of apostasy at the end of the section on the apostasy of Bani Salim.]” }}

==Related Issues==

Anal sex is strictly forbidden, even between heterosexual married couples.

{{Quote| {{Abudawud|11|2157}}|Narrated AbuHurayrah:

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: '''He who has intercourse with his wife through her anus is accursed'''.}}

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|9|3|9|1924}}|It was narrated from Khuzaimah bin Thabit:

that the Messenger of Allah said: “Allah is not too shy to tell the truth,” three times. ” '''Do not have intercourse with women in their buttocks'''.” (Sahih)}}

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|9|3|9|1923}}|It was narrated from Abu Hurairah:

that the Prophet said: “Allah will not look at '''a man who has intercourse with his wife in her buttocks'''.” (Sahih)}}

{{Quote|Musnad Ahmed Vol. 1, P. 86|The Holy Prophet said, “Anyone who goes to a soothe sayer and believes in him '''or enters a women in the anus has rejected faith''' in what was revealed unto Muhammad.”<ref>Referenced by Shaikh Abdullah Faisal in "100 Fabricated Hadiths" Pg. 85, as sahih.</ref>}}

{{Quote|Ahmad, 5/213|Khuzaymah Ibn Thabit (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Allah is not too shy to tell you the truth: '''Do not have sex with your wives in the anus'''."<ref>[http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543832 Fatwa: Islamic Ruling on Anal Sex] - IslamOnline, February 22, 2010</ref>}}

{{Quote|[http://web.archive.org/web/20020422171727/www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/NHMK_RT/Default.htm Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law] Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri, Edited and Translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller|'''SODOMIZING ONE'S WIFE'''

'''p75.20''' The Prophet (Allah Bless him and give him peace) said,
"He who sodomizes a woman is accursed."}}

{{Core Homosexuality}}

==See Also==

{{Hub4|Non-Muslims (Primary Sources)|Non-Muslims (Primary Sources)}}

{{Translation-links-english|[[Korán, hadísy a učenci: Homosexualita|Czech]]}}

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:QHS]]
[[Category:Islam and Homosexuality]]

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==Characteristics of Women==

===Limits of Women===

{{Quote|{{Quran|2|228}}|And it is for the women to act as they (the husbands) act by them, in all fairness; but the men are a step above them.}}

{{Quote|{{Quran|4|34}}|Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|9|88|219}}|Narrated Abu Bakra:

During the battle of Al-Jamal, Allah benefited me with a Word (I heard from the Prophet). When the Prophet heard the news that the people of the Persia had made the daughter of Khosrau their Queen (ruler), he said, '''"Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler."''' |}}

====Women are Weak====

{{quote|{{bukhari|8|73|230}}|Narrated Anas bin Malik 

The Prophet had a Had (a camel driver) called Anjasha, and he had a nice voice. The Prophet said to him, "(Drive) slowly, O Anjasha! Do not break the glass vessels!" And Qatada said, "(By vessels') he meant the weak women." |See also: {{bukhari|8|73|228}} & {{bukhari|8|73|229}} }}

====Women are Stupid====
{{Main|Women are Deficient in Intelligence}}

{{Quote|{{Tabari|1|p. 280}}| “Allah said, ‘It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. '''I must also make Eve stupid''', although I created her intelligent.’ Because Allah afflicted Eve, '''all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid'''.}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|3|48|826}}|Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|1|6|301}}|Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|2|24|541}}|Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri On 'Id ul Fitr or 'Id ul Adha Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) went out to the Musalla. After finishing the prayer, he delivered the sermon and ordered the people to give alms. He said, "O people! Give alms." Then he went towards the women and said. "O women! Give alms, for I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were you (women)." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the reason for it?" He replied, "O women! You curse frequently, and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. O women, some of you can lead a cautious wise man astray." Then he left. And when he reached his house, Zainab, the wife of Ibn Masud, came and asked permission to enter It was said, "O Allah's Apostle! It is Zainab." He asked, 'Which Zainab?" The reply was that she was the wife of Ibn Mas'ub. He said, "Yes, allow her to enter." And she was admitted. Then she said, "O Prophet of Allah! Today you ordered people to give alms and I had an ornament and intended to give it as alms, but Ibn Masud said that he and his children deserved it more than anybody else." The Prophet replied, "Ibn Masud had spoken the truth. Your husband and your children had more right to it than anybody else."}}

====Women are Awrat (External Genitals)====

{{Quote|Kanz-el-'Ummal, Vol. 22, Hadith No. 858|Ali reported the Prophet saying: 'Women have ten ('awrat). When she gets married, the husband covers one, and when she dies the grave covers the ten.}}

{{Quote||The woman is 'awrah. When she goes outside (the house), the devil welcomes her.<ref>Ihy'a 'Uloum ed-Din by Ghazali, Dar al-Kotob al-'Elmeyah, Beirut, Vol II, Kitab Adab al-Nikah, p. 65. Reported by Tirmizi as a true and good Ahadith</ref>}}

{{Quote||A woman is closest to God's face, if she is found in the core of her house. And the prayer of the woman in the house is better than her prayer in the mosque.<ref>Ihy'a 'Uloum ed-Din by Ghazali, Dar al-Kotob al-'Elmeyah, Beirut, Vol II, Kitab Adab al-Nikah, p. 65</ref>}}

===Character of Women===

====Women are Crooked====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|7|62|113}}|Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "The woman is like a rib; if you try to straighten her, she will break. So if you want to get benefit from her, do so while she still has some crookedness."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|7|62|114}}|Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day should not hurt (trouble) his neighbor. And I advise you to take care of the women, for they are created from a rib and the most crooked portion of the rib is its upper part; if you try to straighten it, it will break, and if you leave it, it will remain crooked, so I urge you to take care of the women."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|4|55|548}}|Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah 's Apostle said, "Treat women nicely, for a women is created from a rib, and the most curved portion of the rib is its upper portion, so, if you should try to straighten it, it will break, but if you leave it as it is, it will remain crooked. So treat women nicely."}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|8|3466}}|AbuHuraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Woman is like a rib. When you attempt to straighten it, you would break it. And if you leave her alone you would benefit by her, and crookedness will remain in her. A hadith like this is reported by another chain of narrators}}

[http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?Doc=1&Rec=3422 Arabic]
‏‏{{Quote|||‏و حدثني ‏ ‏حرملة بن يحيى ‏ ‏أخبرنا ‏ ‏ابن وهب ‏ ‏أخبرني ‏ ‏يونس ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏ابن شهاب ‏ ‏حدثني ‏ ‏ابن المسيب ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبي هريرة ‏ ‏قال ‏
‏قال رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏إن المرأة كالضلع إذا ذهبت تقيمها كسرتها وإن تركتها استمتعت بها وفيها عوج ‏
‏و حدثنيه ‏ ‏زهير بن حرب ‏ ‏وعبد بن حميد ‏ ‏كلاهما ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏يعقوب بن إبراهيم بن سعد ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏ابن أخي الزهري ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عمه ‏ ‏بهذا الإسناد ‏ ‏مثله سواء}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|8|3467}}|Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported: Woman has been created from a rib and will in no way be straightened for you; so if you wish to benefit by her, benefit by her while crookedness remains in her. And if you attempt to straighten her, you will break her, and breaking her is divorcing her.}}

[http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?Doc=1&Rec=3423 Arabic]
{{Quote|||‏‏قال رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏إن المرأة خلقت من ضلع لن تستقيم لك على طريقة فإن استمتعت بها استمتعت بها وبها عوج وإن ذهبت تقيمها كسرتها وكسرها طلاقها}}
{{Quote|{{Muslim|8|3468}}|Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who believes in Allah and the Hereafter, if he witnesses any matter he should talk in good terms about it or keep quiet. Act kindly towards woman, for woman is created from a rib, and the most crooked part of the rib is its top. If you attempt to straighten it, you will break it, and if you leave it, its crookedness will remain there. So act kindly towards women.}}

[http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?Doc=1&Rec=3424 Arabic]
‏{{Quote||| ‏و حدثنا ‏ ‏أبو بكر بن أبي شيبة ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏حسين بن علي ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏زائدة ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏ميسرة ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبي حازم ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبي هريرة ‏
‏عن النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏قال ‏ ‏من كان يؤمن بالله واليوم الآخر فإذا شهد أمرا فليتكلم بخير أو ليسكت واستوصوا بالنساء فإن المرأة خلقت من ضلع وإن أعوج شيء في الضلع أعلاه إن ذهبت تقيمه كسرته وإن تركته لم يزل أعوج استوصوا بالنساء خيرا ‏}}

====Women Lack Gratitude====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|1|2|28}}|Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet said: "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful." It was asked, "Do they disbelieve in Allah?" (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, "They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking), she will say, 'I have never received any good from you."}}

====Women Are Wicked====

{{Quote|al-Ghazali, ''Ihy'a 'Uloum ed-Din'', Dar al-Kotob al-'Elmeyah, Beirut, Vol II, Kitab Adab al-Nikah, p. 51.|"If you relax the woman's bridle a tiny bit, she will take you and bolt wildly. And if you lower her cheek-piece a hand span, she will pull you an arm's length... Their deception is awesome and their wickedness is contagious; bad character and feeble mind are their predominant traits... Mohammad said: 'The likeness of a virtuous woman amongst women is like a red-beaked crow among a hundred crows."<ref>This is classified as a Sahih (authentic) narration and quoted by Imam Ahmad and al-Nasai.</ref>}}

====Women are like Devils====

{{Quote|{{Muslim|8|3240}}|Jabir reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) saw a woman, and so he came to his wife, Zainab, as she was tanning a leather and had sexual intercourse with her. He then went to his Companions and told them: The woman advances and retires in the shape of a devil, so when one of you sees a woman, he should come to his wife, for that will repel what he feels in his heart.}}

{{Quote||When a woman comes she comes in the form of a devil.<ref>Ihya' 'Uloum ed-Din by Ghazali, Dar al-Kotob al-'Elmeyah, Beirut, vol. II, Kitab Adab al-Nikah, P.33</ref>}}

====Woman are an Evil Omen====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|4|52|110}}| Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: I heard the Prophet saying. "Evil omen is in three things: The horse, the woman and the house."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|4|52|111}}| Narrated Sahl bin Sad Saidi: "Allah's Apostle said "If there is any evil omen in anything, then it is in the woman, the horse and the house."}}

====Women who seek divorce are Hypocrites====

{{Quote|''Al-Tirmidhi No. 967'' (CD-ROM), Alim.org ([https://web.archive.org/web/20161223190006/http://www.alim.org/library/hadith/TIR/967 Archived]). See also [https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/13/13 Tirmidhi 13:13] and [https://sunnah.com/nasai/27/73 Nasai 27:73] |Narrated AbuHurayrah: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "Women who withdraw themselves from their husbands and women who persuade their husbands to divorce them for a compensation are hypocrites." 
Nasa'i transmitted it.}}

====Most Women are Destined for Hell====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|1|6|301}}|Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|36.6600}}|Imran b. Husain reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Amongst '''the inmates of Paradise the women would form a minority.'''|See Also {{Muslim|36|6601}}}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|36|6596}}|Usama b. Zaid reported that Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) said: I stood at the door of Paradise and I found that the overwhelming majority of those who entered therein was that of poor persons and the wealthy persons were detained to get into that. The denizens of Hell were commanded to get into Hell, and I stood upon the door of Fire and '''the majority amongst them who entered there was that of women.'''}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|36|6597}}|Ibn Abbas reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: I had a chance to look into the Paradise and I found that majority of the people was poor and I looked into the Fire and there '''I found the majority constituted by women.'''|See Also {{Muslim|36|6598}}, {{Muslim|36|6599}}}}

{{Quote||[Muhammad said]A woman, who at the moment of death enjoys the full approval of her husband, will find her place in Paradise'.<ref>Ihya' 'Uloum ed-Din by Ghazali, Dar al-Kotob al-'Elmeyah, Beirut, vol. II, Kitab Adab al-Nikah, p. 64 </ref>}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|7|62|124}}|Narrated Usama: The Prophet said, "I stood at the gate of Paradise and saw that the majority of the people who entered it were the poor, while the wealthy were stopped at the gate (for the accounts). But the companions of the Fire were ordered to be taken to the Fire. Then I stood at the gate of the Fire and saw that the majority of those who entered it were women."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|1|2|29}}|Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet said: "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful." It was asked, "Do they disbelieve in Allah?" (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, "They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking), she will say, 'I have never received any good from you."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|7|62|124}}|Narrated Usama: The Prophet said, "I stood at the gate of Paradise and saw that the majority of the people who entered it were the poor, while the wealthy were stopped at the gate (for the accounts). But the companions of the Fire were ordered to be taken to the Fire. Then I stood at the gate of the Fire and saw that the majority of those who entered it were women."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|2|18|161}}|Narrated 'Abdullah bin Abbas: ... The Prophet replied, "I saw Paradise and stretched my hands towards a bunch (of its fruits) and had I taken it, you would have eaten from it as long as the world remains. I also saw the Hell-fire and I had never seen such a horrible sight. I saw that most of the inhabitants were women." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! Why is it so?" The Prophet replied, "Because of their ungratefulness." It was asked whether they are ungrateful to Allah. The Prophet said, "They are ungrateful to their companions of life (husbands) and ungrateful to good deeds. If you are benevolent to one of them throughout the life and if she sees anything (undesirable) in you, she will say, 'I have never had any good from you.' "}}

{{Quote|Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, 2:507|Abu Huraira narrated: "We were at his place [Muhammad's] and the people either boasted or reminded one another. He said, 'Men in paradise are more than in hell.'}}

{{Quote|Kanz al-`ummal, 22:10|Out of 99 women, one is in paradise and the rest are in hell}}

{{Quote||`Abdullah Ibn `Amr narrated: "O women! Give alms and ask pardon [from God] frequently, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of hell were you." "One of them asked, 'Why, Messenger of God, are we the majority of the dwellers of hell?' He replied, 'You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you.' "<ref>al-Bukhari, Haidh 6, Zakat 44; Muslim, Iman 132, `Iydain 4,19; Ibn Maja, Fitan 19; al-Darimi, Wudhu' 104, Salat 224; Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, 1:307,423,425,436; 3:318.</ref>}}

{{Quote|Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, 4:197,205|Imara Ibn Huzaima narrated: "While we were with `Amr Ibn al-`As on a pilgrimage or an `Umra, he said, "While we were with the Messenger of God in this mountain path, he said, 'Look! Do you see anything?' We answered, 'We see ravens; one is white-footed with red legs and peak.' The Messenger of God said, `No woman will enter paradise unless she is like this raven in comparison to the rest of the ravens.' "}}

{{Quote|Ibn Ishaq. ''Sirat Rasul Allah''. [http://www.justislam.co.uk/images/Ibn%20Ishaq%20-%20Sirat%20Rasul%20Allah.pdf No. 270]. p.186.|"In hell I (Muhammad) saw women hanging by their breasts. They had fathered bastards."}}

{{Quote|Kanz al-`ummal, 22:11|"[Muhammad said] A believing woman is the same among women as a white-footed raven among the ravens. Fire has been created for the senseless, and women are the most senseless of all."}}

{{Quote|Sura al-Nisa' 4:218|Abu Huraira narrated "The first band entering paradise will be like the full moon, and the ones that will follow them will be like the best star in the heavens. Each man will have two wives of the wide-eyed houris; the marrow of their bones can be seen through the flesh and the bones"}}

{{Quote|Sunan Ibn Maja, Zuhd (Book of Abstinence) 39|Abu Umama narrated: "The Messenger of God said, 'Everyone that God admits into paradise will be married to 72 wives; two of them are houris and seventy of his inheritance of the [female] dwellers of hell. All of them will have libidinous sex organs and he will have an ever-erect penis.' "}}

{{Quote||Men will enter into paradise after a short conversation with God. They will go to their dwelling-places where their wives will welcome them. Their wives will ask them about the secret of their glamorous beauty which they did not possess before they left their dwelling-places. They will answer them, saying that they have sat down with their Lord, and therefore they have the right to it.<ref>al-Suyuti, Fath al-kabir fi dsamm al-ziyada ila al-Jami` al-saghir (Cairo, n.d.), 3:255</ref>}}

===Characteristics of Good Wives===

====Does not Annoy her Husband====

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|9|3|9|2014}}|It was narrated from Mu'adh bin Jabal that: the Messenger of Allah said: "No woman annoys her husband but his wife among houris (of Paradise) safs: 'Do not annoy him, may Allah destroy you, for he is just a temporary guest with you and soon he will leave you and join us."' (Hasan)}}

====Obeys her Husband====
{{Quote|Mishkat al-Masabih, Book 1, duty towards children Hadith Number 43|The virtuous wife, if her husband bids her, she obeys him; if he looks at her, she pleases him; if he gives her an oath; she fulfils it, and if he is absent from her, she guards herself and his property.}}

====Has a Pretty Face and a Cheap Dowry====
{{Quote||The best women are those who have the prettiest faces and the cheapest dowry.<ref>Ihya' 'Uloum ed-Din by Ghazali, Dar al-Kotob al-'Elmeyah, Beirut, vol. II, Kitab Adab al-Nikah, p. 45. </ref>}}

====Sexually Satisfies and Does her Home Duties====
{{Quote||The good wife is out of this world because she helps free you to concentrate on the life to come. She does that by doing her house duties (instead of the husband having to do them), and by satisfying the husband sexually so protecting him from sexual temptation.<ref>Ihya' 'Uloum ed-Din by Ghazali, Dar al-Kotob al-'Elmeyah, Beirut, vol. II, Kitab Adab al-Nikah, p. 35.</ref>}}

{{Quote|{{Quran|2|223}}|'''Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will;''' but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe.}}

===Characteristics of Women===

====Passing Women will Annul Prayers====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|1|9|490}}|Narrated 'Aisha: The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, "'''Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people).'''" I said, "You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away. for I disliked to face him."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|1|9|493}}|Narrated 'Aisha: The things which annual prayer were mentioned before me (and those were): a dog, a donkey and a woman. I said, "You have compared us (women) to donkeys and dogs. By Allah! I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in (my) bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I disliked to sit and trouble the Prophet. So, I would slip away by the side of his feet."}}

====Women are Detrimental to Men====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|7|62|33}}|Narrated Usama bin Zaid: The Prophet said, "After me I have not left any fitnah (affliction/trial) more harmful/severe to men than women."}}{{Quote|{{Muslim|36|6603}}|Usama b. Zaid reported Allah's Messenger as saying: I have not left after me any (chance) of turmoil more injurious to men than the harm done to the men because of women.}}{{Quote|{{Muslim|36|6604}}|Usama b. Zaid b. Harith and Sa'id b. Zaid b. 'Amr b. Naufal both reported Allah's Messenger as saying: I have not left after me turmoil for the people but the harm done to men by women.}} 
====Women Betray their Husbands====

{{quote |{{Bukhari|4|55|547}} |Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "But for the Israelis, meat would not decay and but for Eve, wives would never betray their husbands." }}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|8|3472}}|Hammam b. Munabbih said: These are some of the ahadith which Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) narrated to us from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and one of these (this one): Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Had it not been for Bani Isra'il, food would not have become stale, and meal would not have gone bad; and had it not been for Eve, a woman would never have acted unfaithfully toward her husband.}}

===Women and Menstruation===

====Menstruation is a Punishment====

{{Quote|{{Tabari|1|p. 280}}|"Allah said,‘It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed.}}

====Menstruating Woman are Unclean====

{{Quote|{{Quran|2|222}}|
'''Yusuf Ali:''' They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: '''They are a hurt and a pollution''': So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, '''ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by Allah'''. For Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.

'''Pickthal:''' They question thee (O Muhammad) concerning menstruation. Say: '''It is an illness, so let women alone''' at such times and go not in unto them till they are cleansed. And when they have purified themselves, then go in unto them as Allah hath enjoined upon you. Truly Allah loveth those who turn unto Him, and loveth those who have a care for cleanness.

'''Shakir:''' And they ask you about menstruation. Say: It is a discomfort; therefore keep aloof from the women during the menstrual discharge and do not go near them until they have become clean; then when they have cleansed themselves, '''go in to them as Allah has commanded you'''; surely Allah loves those who turn much (to Him), and He loves those who purify themselves.}}

==The Value of Women==

===Equality of Women===

====Women are Inferior to Men====

{{Quote|{{Quran|4|34}}|Men have authority over women because '''God has made the one superior to the other''', and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is most high.}}

{{Quote|{{Quran|2|228}}|
Women who are divorced shall wait, keeping themselves apart, three (monthly) courses. And it is not lawful for them that they should conceal that which Allah hath created in their wombs if they are believers in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands would do better to take them back in that case if they desire a reconciliation. And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and '''men are a degree above them'''. Allah is Mighty, Wise. }}

====Women are Worth Half of Men====

{{Quote|{{Quran|2|282}}|Call in two male witnesses from among you, but if two men cannot be found, then one man and two women whom you judge fit to act as witnesses.}}

{{Quote|{{Quran|4|11}}|“Allah directs you in regard of your Children’s (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females…. These are settled portions ordained by Allah.}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|3|48|826}}|Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a women equal to half that of a man?" The women said "yes". He said "This is because of the deficiency of the women's mind."}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|1|142}}|O womenfolk, you should ask for forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell. A wise lady said: Why is it, Allah’s Apostle, that women comprise the bulk of the inhabitants of Hell? The Prophet observed: ‘You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. You lack common sense, fail in religion and rob the wisdom of the wise.’ Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense? The Prophet replied, ‘Your lack of common sense can be determined from the fact that the evidence of '''two women is equal to one man'''. That is a proof.}}

====Women will Never be Equal to Men====

{{Quote||If a woman offered one of her breasts to be cooked and the other to be roasted, she still will fall short of fulfilling her obligations to her husband. And besides that if she disobeys her husband even for a twinkling of an eye, she would be thrown in the lowest part of Hell, except she repents and turns back.<ref>Tuffaha, Ahmad Zaky, Al-Mar'ah wal- Islam, Dar al-Kitab al-Lubnani, Beirut, first edition, 1985, p. 176. It is also quoted in Al-Musanaf by Abu Bakr Ahmad Ibn 'Abd Allah Ibn Mousa Al-Kanadi who lived 557H., vol. 1 part 2, p. 255. </ref>}}

{{Quote||If blood, suppuration, and pus, were to pour from the husband's nose and the wife licked it with her tongue, she would still never be able to fulfil his rights over her.<ref>Suyuti, commenting on Q. 4:34</ref>}}

====Men are Favored====

{{Quote|Abu Bakr Ibn `Ali al-Jassas, Ahkam al-Qur'an (Cairo, 1347 A.H.), 3:471ff. al-Sabuni, 2:433.|Men are the ones that should be in charge of women because some have been favoured more than others.}}

====Women were Equal Before Islam====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|3|43|648}}|Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas: ...We, the people of Quraish, used to have authority over women, but when we came to live with the Ansar, we noticed that the Ansari women had the upper hand over their men, so our women started acquiring the habits of the Ansari women. Once I shouted at my wife and she paid me back in my coin and I disliked that she should answer me back....}}

====Women Will Never Successfully Rule Nations====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|9|88|219}}|Narrated Abu Bakra: During the battle of Al-Jamal, Allah benefited me with a Word (I heard from the Prophet). When the Prophet heard the news that the people of the Persia had made the daughter of Khosrau their Queen (ruler), he said, "Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler."}}

===="You Have Made Us (i.e. Women) Dogs."====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|1|9|490}}|Narrated 'Aisha: The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, "Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people)." '''I said, "You have made us (i.e. women) dogs.''' I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, '''I would slip away. for I disliked to face him.'''"}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|1|9|493}}|Narrated 'Aisha: The things which annual prayer were mentioned before me (and those were): a dog, a donkey and a woman. I said, '''"You have compared us (women) to donkeys and dogs.''' By Allah! I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in (my) bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I disliked to sit and trouble the Prophet. So, I would slip away by the side of his feet."|See Also {{Bukhari|1|9|486}}, {{Muslim|4|1032}}, {{Muslim|4|1034}}, {{Muslim|4|1038}}, {{Muslim|4|1039}} 004:1039 adds "and the asses"}}

{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud|2|704}}|Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: Ikrimah reported on the authority of Ibn Abbas, saying: I think the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw.}}

====Virgins are Preferred over Matrons====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|7|62|17}}|Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: When I got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady have you married?" I replied, "I have married a matron' He said, "Why, don't you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?" Jabir also said: Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you might play with her and she with you?'}}

{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud|41|5111}}|Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar: A woman was my wife and I loved her, but Umar hated her. He said to me: Divorce her, but I refused. Umar then went to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and mentioned that to him. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Divorce her.}}

===Status of Women===

====Woman are Possesions====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|5|59|524}}|Narrated Anas:

The Prophet stayed for three rights between Khaibar and Medina and was married to Safiya. I invited the Muslim to h s marriage banquet and there wa neither meat nor bread in that banquet but the Prophet ordered Bilal to spread the leather mats on which dates, dried yogurt and butter were put. The Muslims said amongst themselves, "Will she (i.e. Safiya) be one of the mothers of the believers, (i.e. one of the wives of the Prophet ) '''or just (a lady captive) of what his right-hand possesses'''" Some of them said, "If the Prophet makes her observe the veil, then she will be one of the mothers of the believers (i.e. one of the Prophet's wives), and if he does not make her observe the veil, then she will be his lady slave." So when he departed, he made a place for her behind him (on his and made her observe the veil.}}

{{Quote|Ishaq:593|From the captives of Hunayn, Allah’s Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another.}}

====Women are Sex Slaves====

{{Quote||And now, people, you acquire certain rights over your wives, and they do you. The right you acquire over them is that they should not let someone you hate sleep in your beds, and not to commit a manifest obscenity [or adultery]. If they do [commit it], then God has given you permission to leave them alone in their beds and give them a beating, though not too hard. If they give over, they get their provision and clothing with kindness; I command you good-will for your wives, for they are your captives(1) that do not own anything of their own. You have taken them by the faithfulness of God, and made their sexual organs lawful for you by the words of God."<ref>Ibn Hisham, al-Sira al-nabawiyya (Cairo, 1963), 4:251.</ref>}}

====Women are Toys====

{{Quote|Al-Musanaf Vol. 1 Part 2, p. 263|Omar [one of the Khalifs] was once talking when his wife interjected, so he said to her: 'You are a toy, if you are needed we will call you.'}}

{{Quote||[Mohammad said] The woman is a toy, whoever takes her let him care for her (or do not lose her)<ref>Tuffaha, Ahmad Zaky, Al-Mar'ah wal- Islam, Dar al-Kitab al-Lubnani, Beirut, first edition, 1985, p. 180</ref>}}

====Women are a Tilth for Men to Cultivate====

{{Quote|{{Quran|2|223}}|'''Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will;''' but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe.}}

{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud|11|2138}}|Narrated Mu'awiyah ibn Haydah: I said: Apostle of Allah, how should we approach our wives and how should we leave them? '''He replied: Approach your tilth when or how you will,''' give her (your wife) food when you take food, clothes when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face, and do not beat her.}}

====Women can be Mortgaged====
{{quote|{{bukhari|5|59|369}}|
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: 

Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!"

Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food." (Some difference between narrators about a camel load or two.) '''Kab said, "Yes, (I will lend you), but you should mortgage something to me." Muhammad bin Mas-lama and his companion said, "What do you want?" Ka'b replied, "Mortgage your women to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our women to you and you are the most handsome of the 'Arabs?" Ka'b said, "Then mortgage your sons to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our sons to you? Later they would be abused by the people's saying that so-and-so has been mortgaged for a camel load of food. That would cause us great disgrace, but we will mortgage our arms to you."'''

Muhammad bin Maslama and his companion promised Kab that Muhammad would return to him. He came to Kab at night along with Kab's foster brother, Abu Na'ila. Kab invited them to come into his fort, and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, "Where are you going at this time?" Kab replied, "None but Muhammad bin Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Na'ila have come." His wife said, "I hear a voice as if dropping blood is from him, Ka'b said. "They are none but my brother Muhammad bin Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed."

Muhammad bin Maslama went with two men. (Some narrators mention the men as 'Abu bin Jabr. Al Harith bin Aus and Abbad bin Bishr). So Muhammad bin Maslama went in together with two men, and said to them, "When Ka'b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. I will let you smell his head." Kab bin Al-Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Muhammad bin Maslama said. " have never smelt a better scent than this. Ka'b replied. "I have got the best 'Arab women who know how to use the high class of perfume." Muhammad bin Maslama requested Ka'b "Will you allow me to smell your head?" Ka'b said, "Yes." Muhammad smelt it and made his companions smell it as well. Then he requested Ka'b again, "Will you let me (smell your head)?" Ka'b said, "Yes." When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf." }}

====A Woman's Silence is her Consent====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|9|86|100}}|Narrated Abu Haraira: Allah's Apostle said, "A lady slave should not be given in marriage until she is consulted, and a virgin should not be given in marriage until her permission is granted." The people said, "How will she express her permission?" The Prophet said, '''"By keeping silent (when asked her consent)."''' Some people said, "If a man, by playing a trick, presents two false witnesses before the judge to testify that he has married a matron with her consent and the judge confirms his marriage, and the husband is sure that he has never married her (before), then such a marriage will be considered as a legal one and he may live with her as husband."|See Also {{Bukhari|9|86|101}}}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|9|85|79}}|Narrated 'Aisha: I asked the Prophet, "O Allah's Apostle! Should the women be asked for their consent to their marriage?" He said, "Yes." I said, "A virgin, if asked, feels shy and keeps quiet." He said, '''"Her silence means her consent."'''}}

===Men should avoid women not belonging to them completely===
{{Quote|Ascha, Ghassan. ''Du statut inférieur de la femme en Islam.'' p 491. Paris, 1989.|
*Better for a man to be splashed by a pig than for him to brush against the elbow of a woman not permitted to him.
*Better to bury an iron needle in the head of one of you than to touch a woman not permitted to him.
*He who touches the palm of a woman not legally his will have red-hot embers put in the palm of his hand on Judgment Day.
*Three things can interrupt prayers if they pass in front of someone praying: a black dog, a woman, and an ass.

}}

==The Husband's Rights==

===Souverenity of Men´s Right===

====The Husband's Rights are Divine====

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|9|3|9|1853}}|It was narrated that:

Abdullah bin Abu Awfa said” When Muadh bin Jabal came from Sham, he prostrated to the Prophet who said: 'What is this, O Muadh?' He said: 'I went to Sham and saw them prostrating their bishops and patricians and I wanted to do that for you.' The messenger of Allah said: 'Do not do that. '''If I were to command anyone to prostrate to anyone other than Allah, I would have commanded women to prostrate to their husbands'''. By the one in who hand is the soul of Muhammad! '''No woman can fulfill her duty towards Allah until she fulfills her duty towards her husband.''' If he asks her (for intimacy) even if she is on her camel saddle, she should not refuse.' “(Hasan)}}

{{Quote|Mishkat al-Masabih Section 'Duties of husband and wife', Hadith No. 70|Reported by Abu Dawood, Ahmad, Tirmizi, Ibn Magah and Ibn Haban. Had I ordered anybody to prostrate before any one, I would have ordered women to prostrate before their husbands on account of men's rights over the women ordained by Allah.}}

====Women will Never be Equal to Men====

{{Quote||If a woman offered one of her breasts to be cooked and the other to be roasted, she still will fall short of fulfilling her obligations to her husband. And besides that if she disobeys her husband even for a twinkling of an eye, she would be thrown in the lowest part of Hell, except she repents and turns back.<ref>Tuffaha, Ahmad Zaky, Al-Mar'ah wal- Islam, Dar al-Kitab al-Lubnani, Beirut, first edition, 1985, p. 176. It is also quoted in Al-Musanaf by Abu Bakr Ahmad Ibn 'Abd Allah Ibn Mousa Al-Kanadi who lived 557H., vol. 1 part 2, p. 255. </ref>}}

{{Quote||If blood, suppuration, and pus, were to pour from the husband's nose and the wife licked it with her tongue, she would still never be able to fulfil his rights over her.<ref>Suyuti, commenting on Q. 4:34</ref>}}

====Women Must be Obedient to their Husbands====

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|9|3|9|1854}}|It was narrated that from Musawir Al Himyari from his mother that:

she heard Umm Salamah say: “I heard the Messenger of Allah say: ''''Any woman who dies when her husband is pleased with her, will enter Paradise'''.' ”(Hasan)}}

{{Quote|Al-Suyuti commenting on {{Quran|4|34}}|There are three (persons) whose prayer will not be accepted, nor their virtues be taken above: The runaway slave until he returns back to his master, the woman with whom her husband is dissatisfied, and the drunk until he becomes sober.}}

{{Quote|Mishkat al-Masabih Book I, Section 'Duties of husband and wife', Hadith No. ii, 60|Whosoever female dies while her husband is pleased with her, will enter Paradise.}}

{{Quote|Kanz- el-'Ummal, Volume 22, Hadith Number 868|The prophet once said to a woman: 'Watch how you treat your husband for he is your Paradise and your Hell.}}

===Husband´s Rights===

====The Husband's Desires Must be Immediately Met====

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|9|3|9|1853}}|Abdullah bin Abu Awfa said “...the messenger of Allah said: '... '''If [the husband] asks her (for intimacy) even if she is on her camel saddle, she should not refuse'''.'” (Hasan)}}

{{Quote|Mishkat al-Masabih Book I, Section 'Duties of husband and wife', Hadith No. 61|The prophet of Allah said: When a man calls his wife to satisfy his desire, let her come to him though she is occupied at the oven.}}

====Men have a Right to Rape their Female Slaves, even if they have Husbands====
{{Main|Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Rape}}

{{quote | {{cite quran|70|29|end=30|style=ref}} |
And those who preserve their chastity Save with their wives '''and those whom their right hands possess''', for thus they are not blameworthy;}}

{{Quote||For if a man purchases a slave girl, the purchase contract includes his right to have sex with her.<ref>Abd ar-Rahman al-Gaziri, al-Fiqh 'ala al-Mazahib al-Arba'a, Dar al-Kutub al-'Elmeyah, 1990, vol. 4, p. 89</ref>}}

{{Quote||This contract is primarily to own her and secondarily to enjoy her sexually.<ref>Abd ar-Rahman al-Gaziri, al-Fiqh 'ala al-Mazahib al-Arba'a, Dar al-Kutub al-'Elmeyah, 1990, vol. 4, p. 89</ref>}}

{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud||2155|darussalam}}|"Abu Sai’d al-Khudri said : The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives because of their pagan husbands. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.(1479)"}}

{{Quote|Abu Dawud vol.2 no.2691|Salamah was given a captive girl and had not yet "untied her garment" Mohammed took the woman from Salamah and gave her to the Meccans to ransom Muslim prisoners.}}

{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud|11|2153}}|Narrated Ruwayfi' ibn Thabit al-Ansari: Should I tell you what I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) say on the day of Hunayn: It is not lawful for a man who believes in Allah and the last day to water what another has sown with his water (meaning intercourse with women who are pregnant); it is not lawful for a man who believes in Allah and the Last Day to have intercourse with a captive woman '''till''' she is free from a menstrual course; and it is not lawful for a man who believes in Allah and the Last Day to sell spoil till it is divided.|See Also Abu Dawud vol.2 no.2154}}

{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud|11|2155}}|Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If one of you marries a woman''' or buys a slave''', he should say: "O Allah, I ask Thee for the good in her, and in the disposition Thou hast given her; I take refuge in Thee from the evil in her, and in the disposition Thou hast given her." When he buys a camel, he should take hold of the top of its hump and say the same kind of thing.}}

{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud|31|4006}}|Narrated Mu'awiyah ibn Haydah: I said: Apostle of Allah, from whom should we conceal our private parts and to whom can we show? He replied: conceal your private parts '''except from your wife and from whom your right hands possess (slave-girls)'''...}}

{{Quote|Sahih Bukhari vol.3 ch.113 after no.436|‘Ata said, ‘There is no harm in fondling with one’s pregnant (1) slave-girl without having sexual intercourse with her. Allah said: ‘Except with their wives and the (women captives) whom their right hands possess (for in this case they are not to be blamed).’" Footnote (1) says, "Pregnant from another man, not her present master."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|5|59|459}}|"Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Sa’id Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-’Azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Sai’id said, ‘We went out with Allah’s Apostle for the Ghazwa [battle] of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interruptus, we said, ‘How can we do coitus interrupts before asking Allah’s Apostle who is present among us?’ We asked (him) about it and he said, ‘It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul till the Day of Resurrection is predestined to exist, it will exist."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|8|77|600}}|Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: That while he was sitting with the Prophet a man from the Ansar came and said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get slave girls from the war captives and we love property; what do you think about coitus interruptus?" Allah's Apostle said, "Do you do that? It is better for you not to do it, for there is no soul which Allah has ordained to come into existence but will be created."|See Also {{Bukhari|5|59|459}}, {{Bukhari|3|34|432}}}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|8|3432}}|...Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|8|3371}}|...Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l- Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.}}

====Men May Marry up to Four Women====

{{Quote|{{Quran|4|3}}|If you fear you can not treat orphans (girls) with fairness, then you may marry other women who seem good to you: two, three or four of them. But if you fear that you can not maintain equality among them, marry only one or any slave girls you may own, that will be more suitable. And give the women their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, eat it with enjoyment, take it with right good cheer and absorb it (in your wealth).}}

This did not apply to Ali, Muhammad's son-in-law, who was limited to one wife since Ali was married to Fatima, who was Muhammad's daughter.
{{Quote|{{Bukhari|7|62|157}}|Narrated Al-Miswar bin Makhrama: I heard Allah's Apostle who was on the pulpit, saying, "Banu Hisham bin Al-Mughira have requested me to allow them to marry their daughter to Ali bin Abu Talib, but I don't give permission, and will not give permission unless 'Ali bin Abi Talib divorces my daughter in order to marry their daughter, because Fatima is a part of my body, and I hate what she hates to see, and what hurts her, hurts me."}}

====Man's Right to Divorce====

{{Quote|Sahih Bukhari Volume VII, pp. 6&7, see Hadith Number 10|[A]man may say to his brother (in Islam), 'Have a look at either of my wives (and if you wish), I will divorce her for you.}}

{{Quote|Mishkat al-Masabih, Book 1, duties of parents, Hadith No. 15|The son of 'Omar reported: I had a wife under me whom I loved but whom 'Omar disliked. He told me: 'Divorce her'. But I refused. Then 'Omar came to the Messenger of Allah and notified it to him. The messenger of Allah told me: 'Divorce her'.}}

====Men have the Right to Accuse their Wives of Lewdness====

{{Quote|{{Quran|24|6}}|And for those who launch a charge against their spouses, and have (in support) no evidence but their own,- their solitary evidence (can be received) if they bear witness four times (with an oath) by Allah that they are solemnly telling the truth;}}

{{Quote|{{Quran|24|7}}|And the fifth (oath) (should be) that they solemnly invoke the curse of Allah on themselves if they tell a lie.}}

====Men have a Right Not to be Asked Why they Beat their Wives====

{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud|11|2142}}|Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.}}

====Men Will Have Sex With Many Female Virgins In Heaven====

{{quote | {{cite quran|44|51|end=54|style=ref}} |
Lo! those [men] who kept their duty will be in a place secure amid gardens and water springs, attired in silk and silk embroidery, facing one another. Even so (it will be). And We shall wed them unto [huris] fair ones with wide, lovely eyes.}}

{{quote | {{cite quran|55|56|end=58|style=ref}} |
Therein are those of modest gaze, whom neither man nor jinni will have touched before them. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny? (In beauty) like the jacynth and the coral-stone.}}

{{Quote|{{Quran|55|72}}|Companions restrained (as to their glances), in (goodly) pavilions;}}

{{quote | {{cite quran|78|31|end=35|style=ref}} |
Lo! for the duteous is achievement - Gardens enclosed and vineyards, And '''voluptuous''' [i.e. Kawa'eb, Kawa'eb means swelling and firm, not sagging] '''women''' of equal age; And a full cup. There hear they never vain discourse, nor lying}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|40|6793}}|Muhammad reported that some (persons) stated with a sense of pride and some discussed whether there would be more men in Paradise or more women. It was upon this that Abu Huraira reported that Abu'l Qasim (the Holy Prophet) (may peace be upon him) said: The (members) of the first group to get into Paradise would have their faces as bright as full moon during the night, and the next to this group would have their faces as bright as the shining stars in the sky, '''and every person would have two wives''' and the marrow of their shanks would glimmer beneath the flesh and there would be none without a wife in Paradise.}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|40|6794}}|This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira through another chain of transmitters.}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|40|6795}}|This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira through another chain of transmitters that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The (members of the) first group which would get into Paradise will have their faces as bright as stars in the sky. They would neither pass water, nor void excrement, nor will they suffer from catarrh, nor will they spit, and their combs would be made of gold, and their sweat will be musk, the fuel of their brazier will be aloes, and their wives will be large-eyed maidens and their form would be alike as one single person after the form of their father (Adam) sixty cubits tall.}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|40|6796}}|Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The first group of my Ummah to get into Paradise would be like a full moon in the night. Then those who would be next to them; they would be like the most significantly glittering stars in regard to brightness, then after them (others) in ranks. They would neither void excrement, nor pass water, nor suffer from catarrh, nor would they spit. And their combs would be made of gold, and the fuel of their braziers would be aloes and their sweat would be musk and their form would be the form of one single person according to the length of their father sixty cubits tall. This hadith has been transmitted on the authority of Ibn Abi Shaiba with a slight variation of wording.}}

{{Quote|Mishkat al-Masabih Book IV, Chapter XLII, Paradise and Hell, Hadith Number 24|The Holy Prophet said: 'The believer will be given such and such strength in Paradise for sexual intercourse. It was questioned: O prophet of Allah! can he do that? He said: "He will be given the strength of one hundred persons.}}

===Duties of Husband===

====Giving Payment for Sex (Dowry)====
{{Main|Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Mahr}}

{{quote | {{Abudawud|11|2126}} | Narrated Basrah:

A man from the Ansar called Basrah said: I married a virgin woman in her veil. When I entered upon her, I found her pregnant. (I mentioned this to the Prophet). The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: ''''She will get the dower, for you made her vagina lawful for you.'''' The child will be your slave. When she has begotten (a child), flog her (according to the version of al-Hasan). The version of Ibn AbusSari has: You people, flog her, or said: inflict hard punishment on him.}}

{{Quote|Mishkat al-Masabih, Book II, Hadith No. 57|Who so gives two handfuls of flour or dates as dowry of his wife has rendered [her] (private parts) lawful.}}

{{Quote||If a man has sex with a married woman, by mistake, thinking her to be his wife, he must give her a dowry equal to the dowry given to a woman of her social worth. This dowry becomes the property of the wife and not her husband.<ref>'Abd ar-Rahman al-Gaziri, al-Fiqh 'ala al-Mazahib al-Arba'a, Dar al-Kutub al- 'Elmeyah, 1990, vol. 4, p. 8. </ref>}}

===Restrictions Given to Husband===

====Men May Not Have Anal Sex With Women====

{{Quote|Musnad Ahmed Vol. 1, Pg. 86|The Holy Prophet said, “Anyone who goes to a soothesayer and believes in him or enters a women in the anus has rejected faith in what was revealed unto Muhammad.”<ref>Referenced by Shaikh Abdullah Faisal in "100 Fabricated Hadiths" Pg. 85, as sahih.</ref>}}

{{Quote|Ahmad, At-Tirmidhi, An-Nasa'i, and Ibn Majah|The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Do not have anal sex with women."<ref name="fatwa anal">[http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543832 Fatwa: Islamic Ruling on Anal Sex] - IslamOnline, February 22, 2010</ref>}}

{{Quote|Ahmad, 5/213|Khuzaymah Ibn Thabit (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Allah is not too shy to tell you the truth: Do not have sex with your wives in the anus."<ref name="fatwa anal"></ref>}}

{{Quote|Ahmad, 2/479; Saheeh al-Jaami', 5865|"Cursed is the one who approaches his wife in her rectum" }}

{{Quote|Ibn Abi Shaybah, 3/529, classified authentic by At-Tirmidhi, hadith, 1165|Ibn `Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated: "The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Allah will not look at a man who has anal sex with his wife."<ref name="fatwa anal"></ref> }}

{{Quote|al-Tirmidhi, 1/243; Saheeh al-Jaami', 5918|"The one who has intercourse with a menstruating woman, or with a woman in her rectum, or who goes to a fortune-teller, has disbelieved in what was revealed to Muhammad."}}

==Women's Rights==

===Women´s Rights===

====Women have the Right to get their Food and Clothes====

{{Quote|Sunan Ibn Magah, Kitab al-Nikah, Hadith No. 1850.|O Messenger of Allah ! What right has the wife of one among us got over him?' He said: 'It is that you shall give her food when you have taken your food, that you shall clothe her when you have clothed yourself, that you shall not slap her on the face, nor revile her, nor desert her except within the house.}}

====Women have the Right to Not be Hit on the Face====

{{Quote|Mishkat Al-Masabih: Volume 2, page 691|Hakim b. Mu`awiya al-Qushairi quoted his father as telling that he asked, "Messenger of God, what right can any wife demand of her husband?" He replied, "That you should give her food to eat, clothe her when you clothe yourself, not strike her on the face, and do not revile her or seperate from her except in the house." Ahmad, Abu Dawud and Ibn Majah transmitted it.}}

{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud|11|2137}}|Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: Mu'awiyah asked: Apostle of Allah, what is the right of the wife of one of us over him? He replied: That you should give her food when you eat, clothe her when you clothe yourself, do not strike her '''on the face''', do not revile her or separate yourself from her except in the house.}}

{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud|11|2138}}|Narrated Mu'awiyah ibn Haydah: I said: Apostle of Allah, how should we approach our wives and how should we leave them? He replied: Approach your tilth when or how you will, give her (your wife) food when you take food, clothe when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face, and do not beat her.}}

{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud|11|2139}}|Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them.}}

====A Woman has the Right to get Payment for Sex Forced on her by Mistake====

{{Quote||If a man has sex with a married woman, by mistake, thinking her to be his wife, he must give her a dowry equal to the dowry given to a woman of her social worth. This dowry becomes the property of the wife and not her husband.<ref>'Abd ar-Rahman al-Gaziri, al-Fiqh 'ala al-Mazahib al-Arba'a, Dar al-Kutub al- 'Elmeyah, 1990, vol. 4, p. 8. </ref>}}

====A Woman has the Right to go to Mosque, but she must take Permission from her Husband====
{{Quote|Bukhari, Nikah 116|"If the wife of any one of you ask permission to go to the mosque, he should not forbid her."}}

===Restrictions Given to Women===

====Muslim Women are Not Allowed to Marry Non-Muslim Men====

{{Quote|{{Quran|2|221}}|Wed not idolatresses till they believe; for lo! a believing bondwoman is better than an idolatress though she please you; '''and give not your daughters in marriage to idolaters till they believe''', for lo! a believing slave is better than an idolater though he please you. These invite unto the Fire, and Allah inviteth unto the Garden, and unto forgiveness by His grace, and expoundeth His revelations to mankind that haply they may reme}}

====Women are Not Allowed to Choose a Man====

=====Women Must have Arranged Marriages by their Guardian=====

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|9|3|9|1879}}|It was narrated from Aishah that :

the Messenger of Allah said: “'''Any woman whose marriage is not arranged by her guardian, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid'''. If (the man) has had intercourse with her, then the Mahr belongs to her in return for his intimacy with her. And if there is any dispute then the ruler is the guardian of the one who does not have a guardian.” (Sahih)}}

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|9|3|9|1880}}|It was narrated that:

Aisha and Ibn Abbas said: “The Messenger of Allah said: ''''There is no marriage except with a guardian'''.' ”According to the Hadith of Aishah: “And the ruler is the guardian of the one who does not have a guardian. ” (Sahih)}}

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|9|3|9|1881}}|It was narrated from Abu Musa that:

the Messenger of Allah said: “'''There is no marriage except with a guardian'''.” (Sahih)}}

=====Women Married to Men of their own Choosing are Adulteresses=====

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|9|3|9|1882}}|It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that:

the Messenger of Allah said: “No woman should arrange the marriage of another woman, and no woman should arrange her own marriage. '''The adulteress is the one who arranges her own marriage'''.” (Sahih)}}

====Women Cannot Fast Extra, or Allow Someone to Enter their Home without Husband’s Permission====
{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud|13|2452}}|Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri: A woman came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) while we were with him. She said: Apostle of Allah, my husband, Safwan ibn al-Mu'attal, beats me when I pray, and makes me break my fast when I keep a fast, and he does not offer the dawn prayer until the sun rises. He asked Safwan, who was present, about what she had said. He replied: Apostle of Allah, as for her statement "he beats me when I pray", she recites two surahs (during prayer) and I have prohibited her (to do so). He (the Prophet) said: If one surah is recited (during prayer), that is sufficient for the people.(Safwan continued:) As regards her saying "he makes me break my fast," she dotes on fasting; I am a young man, I cannot restrain myself. The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) said on that day: A woman should not fast except with the permission of her husband.(Safwan said:) As for her statement that I do not pray until the sun rises, we are a people belonging to a class, and that (our profession of supplying water) is already known about us. We do not awake until the sun rises. He said: When you awake, offer your prayer|See Also {{Abu Dawud|13|2452}}}}

{{Quote|Kanz al-`ummal, 22:2|"Any woman who fasts without the permission of her husband, and he desired her for a certain thing but she refused, God will record three major sins against her."}}

{{Quote|Al-Tirmidsi, Sawm 65|"Abu Huraira narrated that the Messenger of God said, 'No woman can fast a day of Ramadan, while her husband is there, without his prior permission.' "}}

====A woman cannot give away anything in her house without husband's permission====

{{Quote|''Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 609'', (CD-ROM), Alim.org. [https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/7/54 Jami Al-Tirmidhi 7:54].|Narrated AbuUmamah: AbuUmamah heard Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) say in the course of his sermon in the year of the Farewell Pilgrimage, "A woman must not give anything away from her husband's house without her husband's permission." He was asked whether she might not even give away food and replied, "That is the most excellent property we possess." 
Tirmidhi transmitted it.}}

====A Menstruating Woman is Not Allowed to Stay in the Mosque====
(She might be able to enter it briefly though.)
{{Quote|Abu Dawud vol.1 footnote 113|
A menstruating woman is not allowed to recite the Qur’an.}}

{{Quote|Abu Dawud 232|
Âishah relates that the Prophet (peace be upon him said: “I do not permit a woman in her menses or a person in a state of major ritual impurity into the mosque.” [Sunan Abî Dâwûd, Sunan Ibn Mâjah, Sunan al-Bayhaqî, and Sahîh Ibn Khuzaymah] }}

{{Quote|Abu Dawud vol.1 footnote 111|
A limited mourning period}}
{{Quote|{{Bukhari|4|52|250}}|Narrated Ibn Abbas: That he heard the Prophet saying, "It is not permissible for a man to be alone with a woman, and no lady should travel except with a Muhram (i.e. her husband or a person whom she cannot marry in any case for ever; e.g. her father, brother, etc.)." Then a man got up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have enlisted in the army for such-and-such Ghazwa and my wife is proceeding for Hajj." Allah's Apostle said, "Go, and perform the Hajj with your wife."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|7|63|252}}|Narrated Um Salama: A woman was bereaved of her husband and her relatives worried about her eyes (which were diseased). They came to Allah's Apostle, and asked him to allow them to treat her eyes with kohl, but he said, "She should not apply kohl to her eyes. (In the Pre-Islamic period of Ignorance) a widowed woman among you would stay in the worst of her clothes (or the worst part of her house) and when a year had elapsed, if a dog passed by her, she would throw a globe of dung, Nay, (she cannot use kohl) till four months and ten days have elapsed." Narrated Um Habiba: The Prophet said, "It is not lawful for a Muslim woman who believes in Allah and the Last Day to mourn for more than three days, except for her husband, for whom she should mourn for four months and ten days."|See Also {{Bukhari|7|71|607}}, {{Muslim|9|3541}}}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|2|20|194}}|Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet (p.b.u.h) said, "It is not permissible for a woman who believes in Allah and the Last Day to travel for one day and night except with a Mahram."}}

====Menstruating Women are Not Allowed to Perform Tawaf====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|1|6|302}}|Narrated 'Aisha: We set out with the Prophet for Hajj and when we reached Sarif I got my menses. When the Prophet came to me, I was weeping. He asked, "Why are you weeping?" I said, "I wish if I had not performed Hajj this year." He asked, "May be that you got your menses?" I replied, "Yes." He then said, "This is the thing which Allah has ordained for all the daughters of Adam. So do what all the pilgrims do except that you do not perform the Tawaf round the Ka'ba till you are clean."}}

===Duties of Women===

====Women Must Immediately Fulfill their Husbands Desires====

{{Quote|Mishkat al-Masabih Book I, Section 'Duties of husband and wife', Hadith No. 61|The prophet of Allah said: When a man calls his wife to satisfy his desire, let her come to him though she is occupied at the oven.}}

{{Quote|{{Quran|2|223}}|'''Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will;''' but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe.}}

====Women Must be Obedient to their Husbands to Enter Heaven====

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|9|3|9|1854}}|It was narrated that from Musawir Al Himyari from his mother that:

she heard Umm Salamah say: “I heard the Messenger of Allah say: ''''Any woman who dies when her husband is pleased with her, will enter Paradise'''.' ”(Hasan)}}

{{Quote|Muslim Scholar {{wp|Al-Suyuti}} while commenting on {{Quran|4|34}}|There are three (persons) whose prayer will not be accepted, nor their virtues be taken above: The runaway slave until he returns back to his master, the woman with whom her husband is dissatisfied, and the drunk until he becomes sober.}}

{{Quote|Mishkat al-Masabih Book I, Section 'Duties of husband and wife', Hadith No. ii, 60|Whosoever female dies while her husband is pleased with her, will enter Paradise.}}

{{Quote|Kanz- el-'Ummal, Volume 22, Hadith Number 868|The prophet once said to a woman: 'Watch how you treat your husband for he is your Paradise and your Hell.}}

====Women Must have their Faces Veiled====
{{Main|Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Hijab}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|5|59|462}}|Narrated 'Aisha: [...] While I was sitting in my resting place, I was overwhelmed by sleep and slept. Safwan bin Al-Muattal As-Sulami Adh-Dhakwani was behind the army. When he reached my place in the morning, he saw the figure of a sleeping person and he recognized me on seeing me as he had seen me before the order of compulsory veiling (was prescribed). So I woke up when he recited Istirja' (i.e. "Inna lillahi wa inna llaihi raji'un") as soon as he recognized me. '''I veiled my face with my head cover at once''', and by Allah, we did not speak a single word, and I did not hear him saying any word besides his Istirja'. He dismounted from his camel and made it kneel down, putting his leg on its front legs and then I got up and rode on it. [...]}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|6|60|282}}|Narrated Safiya bint Shaiba:

'Aisha used to say: "When (the Verse): "They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms," was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and '''covered their faces''' with the cut pieces."}}

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==Characteristics of Women==

===Limits of Women===

{{Quote|{{Quran|2|228}}|And it is for the women to act as they (the husbands) act by them, in all fairness; but the men are a step above them.}}

{{Quote|{{Quran|4|34}}|Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|9|88|219}}|Narrated Abu Bakra:

During the battle of Al-Jamal, Allah benefited me with a Word (I heard from the Prophet). When the Prophet heard the news that the people of the Persia had made the daughter of Khosrau their Queen (ruler), he said, '''"Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler."''' |}}

====Women are Weak====

{{quote|{{bukhari|8|73|230}}|Narrated Anas bin Malik 

The Prophet had a Had (a camel driver) called Anjasha, and he had a nice voice. The Prophet said to him, "(Drive) slowly, O Anjasha! Do not break the glass vessels!" And Qatada said, "(By vessels') he meant the weak women." |See also: {{bukhari|8|73|228}} & {{bukhari|8|73|229}} }}

====Women are Stupid====
{{Main|Women are Deficient in Intelligence}}

{{Quote|{{Tabari|1|p. 280}}| “Allah said, ‘It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. '''I must also make Eve stupid''', although I created her intelligent.’ Because Allah afflicted Eve, '''all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid'''.}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|3|48|826}}|Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|1|6|301}}|Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|2|24|541}}|Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri On 'Id ul Fitr or 'Id ul Adha Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) went out to the Musalla. After finishing the prayer, he delivered the sermon and ordered the people to give alms. He said, "O people! Give alms." Then he went towards the women and said. "O women! Give alms, for I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were you (women)." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the reason for it?" He replied, "O women! You curse frequently, and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. O women, some of you can lead a cautious wise man astray." Then he left. And when he reached his house, Zainab, the wife of Ibn Masud, came and asked permission to enter It was said, "O Allah's Apostle! It is Zainab." He asked, 'Which Zainab?" The reply was that she was the wife of Ibn Mas'ub. He said, "Yes, allow her to enter." And she was admitted. Then she said, "O Prophet of Allah! Today you ordered people to give alms and I had an ornament and intended to give it as alms, but Ibn Masud said that he and his children deserved it more than anybody else." The Prophet replied, "Ibn Masud had spoken the truth. Your husband and your children had more right to it than anybody else."}}

====Women are Awrat (External Genitals)====

{{Quote|Kanz-el-'Ummal, Vol. 22, Hadith No. 858|Ali reported the Prophet saying: 'Women have ten ('awrat). When she gets married, the husband covers one, and when she dies the grave covers the ten.}}

{{Quote||The woman is 'awrah. When she goes outside (the house), the devil welcomes her.<ref>Ihy'a 'Uloum ed-Din by Ghazali, Dar al-Kotob al-'Elmeyah, Beirut, Vol II, Kitab Adab al-Nikah, p. 65. Reported by Tirmizi as a true and good Ahadith</ref>}}

{{Quote||A woman is closest to God's face, if she is found in the core of her house. And the prayer of the woman in the house is better than her prayer in the mosque.<ref>Ihy'a 'Uloum ed-Din by Ghazali, Dar al-Kotob al-'Elmeyah, Beirut, Vol II, Kitab Adab al-Nikah, p. 65</ref>}}

===Character of Women===

====Women are Crooked====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|7|62|113}}|Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "The woman is like a rib; if you try to straighten her, she will break. So if you want to get benefit from her, do so while she still has some crookedness."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|7|62|114}}|Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day should not hurt (trouble) his neighbor. And I advise you to take care of the women, for they are created from a rib and the most crooked portion of the rib is its upper part; if you try to straighten it, it will break, and if you leave it, it will remain crooked, so I urge you to take care of the women."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|4|55|548}}|Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah 's Apostle said, "Treat women nicely, for a women is created from a rib, and the most curved portion of the rib is its upper portion, so, if you should try to straighten it, it will break, but if you leave it as it is, it will remain crooked. So treat women nicely."}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|8|3466}}|AbuHuraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Woman is like a rib. When you attempt to straighten it, you would break it. And if you leave her alone you would benefit by her, and crookedness will remain in her. A hadith like this is reported by another chain of narrators}}

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‏قال رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏إن المرأة كالضلع إذا ذهبت تقيمها كسرتها وإن تركتها استمتعت بها وفيها عوج ‏
‏و حدثنيه ‏ ‏زهير بن حرب ‏ ‏وعبد بن حميد ‏ ‏كلاهما ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏يعقوب بن إبراهيم بن سعد ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏ابن أخي الزهري ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عمه ‏ ‏بهذا الإسناد ‏ ‏مثله سواء}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|8|3467}}|Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported: Woman has been created from a rib and will in no way be straightened for you; so if you wish to benefit by her, benefit by her while crookedness remains in her. And if you attempt to straighten her, you will break her, and breaking her is divorcing her.}}

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{{Quote|||‏‏قال رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏إن المرأة خلقت من ضلع لن تستقيم لك على طريقة فإن استمتعت بها استمتعت بها وبها عوج وإن ذهبت تقيمها كسرتها وكسرها طلاقها}}
{{Quote|{{Muslim|8|3468}}|Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who believes in Allah and the Hereafter, if he witnesses any matter he should talk in good terms about it or keep quiet. Act kindly towards woman, for woman is created from a rib, and the most crooked part of the rib is its top. If you attempt to straighten it, you will break it, and if you leave it, its crookedness will remain there. So act kindly towards women.}}

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‏{{Quote||| ‏و حدثنا ‏ ‏أبو بكر بن أبي شيبة ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏حسين بن علي ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏زائدة ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏ميسرة ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبي حازم ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبي هريرة ‏
‏عن النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏قال ‏ ‏من كان يؤمن بالله واليوم الآخر فإذا شهد أمرا فليتكلم بخير أو ليسكت واستوصوا بالنساء فإن المرأة خلقت من ضلع وإن أعوج شيء في الضلع أعلاه إن ذهبت تقيمه كسرته وإن تركته لم يزل أعوج استوصوا بالنساء خيرا ‏}}

====Women Lack Gratitude====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|1|2|28}}|Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet said: "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful." It was asked, "Do they disbelieve in Allah?" (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, "They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking), she will say, 'I have never received any good from you."}}

====Women Are Wicked====

{{Quote|al-Ghazali, ''Ihy'a 'Uloum ed-Din'', Dar al-Kotob al-'Elmeyah, Beirut, Vol II, Kitab Adab al-Nikah, p. 51.|"If you relax the woman's bridle a tiny bit, she will take you and bolt wildly. And if you lower her cheek-piece a hand span, she will pull you an arm's length... Their deception is awesome and their wickedness is contagious; bad character and feeble mind are their predominant traits... Mohammad said: 'The likeness of a virtuous woman amongst women is like a red-beaked crow among a hundred crows."<ref>This is classified as a Sahih (authentic) narration and quoted by Imam Ahmad and al-Nasai.</ref>}}

====Women are like Devils====

{{Quote|{{Muslim|8|3240}}|Jabir reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) saw a woman, and so he came to his wife, Zainab, as she was tanning a leather and had sexual intercourse with her. He then went to his Companions and told them: The woman advances and retires in the shape of a devil, so when one of you sees a woman, he should come to his wife, for that will repel what he feels in his heart.}}

{{Quote||When a woman comes she comes in the form of a devil.<ref>Ihya' 'Uloum ed-Din by Ghazali, Dar al-Kotob al-'Elmeyah, Beirut, vol. II, Kitab Adab al-Nikah, P.33</ref>}}

====Woman are an Evil Omen====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|4|52|110}}| Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: I heard the Prophet saying. "Evil omen is in three things: The horse, the woman and the house."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|4|52|111}}| Narrated Sahl bin Sad Saidi: "Allah's Apostle said "If there is any evil omen in anything, then it is in the woman, the horse and the house."}}

====Women who seek divorce are Hypocrites====

{{Quote|''Al-Tirmidhi No. 967'' (CD-ROM), Alim.org ([https://web.archive.org/web/20161223190006/http://www.alim.org/library/hadith/TIR/967 Archived]). See also [https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/13/13 Tirmidhi 13:13] and [https://sunnah.com/nasai/27/73 Nasai 27:73] |Narrated AbuHurayrah: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "Women who withdraw themselves from their husbands and women who persuade their husbands to divorce them for a compensation are hypocrites." 
Nasa'i transmitted it.}}

====Most Women are Destined for Hell====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|1|6|301}}|Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|36.6600}}|Imran b. Husain reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Amongst '''the inmates of Paradise the women would form a minority.'''|See Also {{Muslim|36|6601}}}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|36|6596}}|Usama b. Zaid reported that Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) said: I stood at the door of Paradise and I found that the overwhelming majority of those who entered therein was that of poor persons and the wealthy persons were detained to get into that. The denizens of Hell were commanded to get into Hell, and I stood upon the door of Fire and '''the majority amongst them who entered there was that of women.'''}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|36|6597}}|Ibn Abbas reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: I had a chance to look into the Paradise and I found that majority of the people was poor and I looked into the Fire and there '''I found the majority constituted by women.'''|See Also {{Muslim|36|6598}}, {{Muslim|36|6599}}}}

{{Quote||[Muhammad said]A woman, who at the moment of death enjoys the full approval of her husband, will find her place in Paradise'.<ref>Ihya' 'Uloum ed-Din by Ghazali, Dar al-Kotob al-'Elmeyah, Beirut, vol. II, Kitab Adab al-Nikah, p. 64 </ref>}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|7|62|124}}|Narrated Usama: The Prophet said, "I stood at the gate of Paradise and saw that the majority of the people who entered it were the poor, while the wealthy were stopped at the gate (for the accounts). But the companions of the Fire were ordered to be taken to the Fire. Then I stood at the gate of the Fire and saw that the majority of those who entered it were women."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|1|2|29}}|Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet said: "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful." It was asked, "Do they disbelieve in Allah?" (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, "They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking), she will say, 'I have never received any good from you."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|7|62|124}}|Narrated Usama: The Prophet said, "I stood at the gate of Paradise and saw that the majority of the people who entered it were the poor, while the wealthy were stopped at the gate (for the accounts). But the companions of the Fire were ordered to be taken to the Fire. Then I stood at the gate of the Fire and saw that the majority of those who entered it were women."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|2|18|161}}|Narrated 'Abdullah bin Abbas: ... The Prophet replied, "I saw Paradise and stretched my hands towards a bunch (of its fruits) and had I taken it, you would have eaten from it as long as the world remains. I also saw the Hell-fire and I had never seen such a horrible sight. I saw that most of the inhabitants were women." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! Why is it so?" The Prophet replied, "Because of their ungratefulness." It was asked whether they are ungrateful to Allah. The Prophet said, "They are ungrateful to their companions of life (husbands) and ungrateful to good deeds. If you are benevolent to one of them throughout the life and if she sees anything (undesirable) in you, she will say, 'I have never had any good from you.' "}}

{{Quote|Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, 2:507|Abu Huraira narrated: "We were at his place [Muhammad's] and the people either boasted or reminded one another. He said, 'Men in paradise are more than in hell.'}}

{{Quote|Kanz al-`ummal, 22:10|Out of 99 women, one is in paradise and the rest are in hell}}

{{Quote||`Abdullah Ibn `Amr narrated: "O women! Give alms and ask pardon [from God] frequently, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of hell were you." "One of them asked, 'Why, Messenger of God, are we the majority of the dwellers of hell?' He replied, 'You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you.' "<ref>al-Bukhari, Haidh 6, Zakat 44; Muslim, Iman 132, `Iydain 4,19; Ibn Maja, Fitan 19; al-Darimi, Wudhu' 104, Salat 224; Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, 1:307,423,425,436; 3:318.</ref>}}

{{Quote|Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, 4:197,205|Imara Ibn Huzaima narrated: "While we were with `Amr Ibn al-`As on a pilgrimage or an `Umra, he said, "While we were with the Messenger of God in this mountain path, he said, 'Look! Do you see anything?' We answered, 'We see ravens; one is white-footed with red legs and peak.' The Messenger of God said, `No woman will enter paradise unless she is like this raven in comparison to the rest of the ravens.' "}}

{{Quote|Ibn Ishaq. ''Sirat Rasul Allah''. [http://www.justislam.co.uk/images/Ibn%20Ishaq%20-%20Sirat%20Rasul%20Allah.pdf No. 270]. p.186.|"In hell I (Muhammad) saw women hanging by their breasts. They had fathered bastards."}}

{{Quote|Kanz al-`ummal, 22:11|"[Muhammad said] A believing woman is the same among women as a white-footed raven among the ravens. Fire has been created for the senseless, and women are the most senseless of all."}}

{{Quote|Sura al-Nisa' 4:218|Abu Huraira narrated "The first band entering paradise will be like the full moon, and the ones that will follow them will be like the best star in the heavens. Each man will have two wives of the wide-eyed houris; the marrow of their bones can be seen through the flesh and the bones"}}

{{Quote|Sunan Ibn Maja, Zuhd (Book of Abstinence) 39|Abu Umama narrated: "The Messenger of God said, 'Everyone that God admits into paradise will be married to 72 wives; two of them are houris and seventy of his inheritance of the [female] dwellers of hell. All of them will have libidinous sex organs and he will have an ever-erect penis.' "}}

{{Quote||Men will enter into paradise after a short conversation with God. They will go to their dwelling-places where their wives will welcome them. Their wives will ask them about the secret of their glamorous beauty which they did not possess before they left their dwelling-places. They will answer them, saying that they have sat down with their Lord, and therefore they have the right to it.<ref>al-Suyuti, Fath al-kabir fi dsamm al-ziyada ila al-Jami` al-saghir (Cairo, n.d.), 3:255</ref>}}

===Characteristics of Good Wives===

====Does not Annoy her Husband====

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|9|3|9|2014}}|It was narrated from Mu'adh bin Jabal that: the Messenger of Allah said: "No woman annoys her husband but his wife among houris (of Paradise) safs: 'Do not annoy him, may Allah destroy you, for he is just a temporary guest with you and soon he will leave you and join us."' (Hasan)}}

====Obeys her Husband====
{{Quote|Mishkat al-Masabih, Book 1, duty towards children Hadith Number 43|The virtuous wife, if her husband bids her, she obeys him; if he looks at her, she pleases him; if he gives her an oath; she fulfils it, and if he is absent from her, she guards herself and his property.}}

====Has a Pretty Face and a Cheap Dowry====
{{Quote||The best women are those who have the prettiest faces and the cheapest dowry.<ref>Ihya' 'Uloum ed-Din by Ghazali, Dar al-Kotob al-'Elmeyah, Beirut, vol. II, Kitab Adab al-Nikah, p. 45. </ref>}}

====Sexually Satisfies and Does her Home Duties====
{{Quote||The good wife is out of this world because she helps free you to concentrate on the life to come. She does that by doing her house duties (instead of the husband having to do them), and by satisfying the husband sexually so protecting him from sexual temptation.<ref>Ihya' 'Uloum ed-Din by Ghazali, Dar al-Kotob al-'Elmeyah, Beirut, vol. II, Kitab Adab al-Nikah, p. 35.</ref>}}

{{Quote|{{Quran|2|223}}|'''Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will;''' but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe.}}

===Characteristics of Women===

====Passing Women will Annul Prayers====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|1|9|490}}|Narrated 'Aisha: The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, "'''Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people).'''" I said, "You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away. for I disliked to face him."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|1|9|493}}|Narrated 'Aisha: The things which annual prayer were mentioned before me (and those were): a dog, a donkey and a woman. I said, "You have compared us (women) to donkeys and dogs. By Allah! I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in (my) bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I disliked to sit and trouble the Prophet. So, I would slip away by the side of his feet."}}

====Women are Detrimental to Men====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|7|62|33}}|Narrated Usama bin Zaid: The Prophet said, "After me I have not left any fitnah (affliction/trial) more harmful/severe to men than women."}}

====Women Betray their Husbands====

{{quote |{{Bukhari|4|55|547}} |Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "But for the Israelis, meat would not decay and but for Eve, wives would never betray their husbands." }}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|8|3472}}|Hammam b. Munabbih said: These are some of the ahadith which Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) narrated to us from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and one of these (this one): Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Had it not been for Bani Isra'il, food would not have become stale, and meal would not have gone bad; and had it not been for Eve, a woman would never have acted unfaithfully toward her husband.}}

===Women and Menstruation===

====Menstruation is a Punishment====

{{Quote|{{Tabari|1|p. 280}}|"Allah said,‘It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed.}}

====Menstruating Woman are Unclean====

{{Quote|{{Quran|2|222}}|
'''Yusuf Ali:''' They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: '''They are a hurt and a pollution''': So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, '''ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by Allah'''. For Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.

'''Pickthal:''' They question thee (O Muhammad) concerning menstruation. Say: '''It is an illness, so let women alone''' at such times and go not in unto them till they are cleansed. And when they have purified themselves, then go in unto them as Allah hath enjoined upon you. Truly Allah loveth those who turn unto Him, and loveth those who have a care for cleanness.

'''Shakir:''' And they ask you about menstruation. Say: It is a discomfort; therefore keep aloof from the women during the menstrual discharge and do not go near them until they have become clean; then when they have cleansed themselves, '''go in to them as Allah has commanded you'''; surely Allah loves those who turn much (to Him), and He loves those who purify themselves.}}

==The Value of Women==

===Equality of Women===

====Women are Inferior to Men====

{{Quote|{{Quran|4|34}}|Men have authority over women because '''God has made the one superior to the other''', and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is most high.}}

{{Quote|{{Quran|2|228}}|
Women who are divorced shall wait, keeping themselves apart, three (monthly) courses. And it is not lawful for them that they should conceal that which Allah hath created in their wombs if they are believers in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands would do better to take them back in that case if they desire a reconciliation. And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and '''men are a degree above them'''. Allah is Mighty, Wise. }}

====Women are Worth Half of Men====

{{Quote|{{Quran|2|282}}|Call in two male witnesses from among you, but if two men cannot be found, then one man and two women whom you judge fit to act as witnesses.}}

{{Quote|{{Quran|4|11}}|“Allah directs you in regard of your Children’s (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females…. These are settled portions ordained by Allah.}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|3|48|826}}|Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a women equal to half that of a man?" The women said "yes". He said "This is because of the deficiency of the women's mind."}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|1|142}}|O womenfolk, you should ask for forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell. A wise lady said: Why is it, Allah’s Apostle, that women comprise the bulk of the inhabitants of Hell? The Prophet observed: ‘You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. You lack common sense, fail in religion and rob the wisdom of the wise.’ Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense? The Prophet replied, ‘Your lack of common sense can be determined from the fact that the evidence of '''two women is equal to one man'''. That is a proof.}}

====Women will Never be Equal to Men====

{{Quote||If a woman offered one of her breasts to be cooked and the other to be roasted, she still will fall short of fulfilling her obligations to her husband. And besides that if she disobeys her husband even for a twinkling of an eye, she would be thrown in the lowest part of Hell, except she repents and turns back.<ref>Tuffaha, Ahmad Zaky, Al-Mar'ah wal- Islam, Dar al-Kitab al-Lubnani, Beirut, first edition, 1985, p. 176. It is also quoted in Al-Musanaf by Abu Bakr Ahmad Ibn 'Abd Allah Ibn Mousa Al-Kanadi who lived 557H., vol. 1 part 2, p. 255. </ref>}}

{{Quote||If blood, suppuration, and pus, were to pour from the husband's nose and the wife licked it with her tongue, she would still never be able to fulfil his rights over her.<ref>Suyuti, commenting on Q. 4:34</ref>}}

====Men are Favored====

{{Quote|Abu Bakr Ibn `Ali al-Jassas, Ahkam al-Qur'an (Cairo, 1347 A.H.), 3:471ff. al-Sabuni, 2:433.|Men are the ones that should be in charge of women because some have been favoured more than others.}}

====Women were Equal Before Islam====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|3|43|648}}|Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas: ...We, the people of Quraish, used to have authority over women, but when we came to live with the Ansar, we noticed that the Ansari women had the upper hand over their men, so our women started acquiring the habits of the Ansari women. Once I shouted at my wife and she paid me back in my coin and I disliked that she should answer me back....}}

====Women Will Never Successfully Rule Nations====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|9|88|219}}|Narrated Abu Bakra: During the battle of Al-Jamal, Allah benefited me with a Word (I heard from the Prophet). When the Prophet heard the news that the people of the Persia had made the daughter of Khosrau their Queen (ruler), he said, "Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler."}}

===="You Have Made Us (i.e. Women) Dogs."====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|1|9|490}}|Narrated 'Aisha: The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, "Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people)." '''I said, "You have made us (i.e. women) dogs.''' I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, '''I would slip away. for I disliked to face him.'''"}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|1|9|493}}|Narrated 'Aisha: The things which annual prayer were mentioned before me (and those were): a dog, a donkey and a woman. I said, '''"You have compared us (women) to donkeys and dogs.''' By Allah! I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in (my) bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I disliked to sit and trouble the Prophet. So, I would slip away by the side of his feet."|See Also {{Bukhari|1|9|486}}, {{Muslim|4|1032}}, {{Muslim|4|1034}}, {{Muslim|4|1038}}, {{Muslim|4|1039}} 004:1039 adds "and the asses"}}

{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud|2|704}}|Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: Ikrimah reported on the authority of Ibn Abbas, saying: I think the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw.}}

====Virgins are Preferred over Matrons====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|7|62|17}}|Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: When I got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady have you married?" I replied, "I have married a matron' He said, "Why, don't you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?" Jabir also said: Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you might play with her and she with you?'}}

{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud|41|5111}}|Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar: A woman was my wife and I loved her, but Umar hated her. He said to me: Divorce her, but I refused. Umar then went to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and mentioned that to him. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Divorce her.}}

===Status of Women===

====Woman are Possesions====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|5|59|524}}|Narrated Anas:

The Prophet stayed for three rights between Khaibar and Medina and was married to Safiya. I invited the Muslim to h s marriage banquet and there wa neither meat nor bread in that banquet but the Prophet ordered Bilal to spread the leather mats on which dates, dried yogurt and butter were put. The Muslims said amongst themselves, "Will she (i.e. Safiya) be one of the mothers of the believers, (i.e. one of the wives of the Prophet ) '''or just (a lady captive) of what his right-hand possesses'''" Some of them said, "If the Prophet makes her observe the veil, then she will be one of the mothers of the believers (i.e. one of the Prophet's wives), and if he does not make her observe the veil, then she will be his lady slave." So when he departed, he made a place for her behind him (on his and made her observe the veil.}}

{{Quote|Ishaq:593|From the captives of Hunayn, Allah’s Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another.}}

====Women are Sex Slaves====

{{Quote||And now, people, you acquire certain rights over your wives, and they do you. The right you acquire over them is that they should not let someone you hate sleep in your beds, and not to commit a manifest obscenity [or adultery]. If they do [commit it], then God has given you permission to leave them alone in their beds and give them a beating, though not too hard. If they give over, they get their provision and clothing with kindness; I command you good-will for your wives, for they are your captives(1) that do not own anything of their own. You have taken them by the faithfulness of God, and made their sexual organs lawful for you by the words of God."<ref>Ibn Hisham, al-Sira al-nabawiyya (Cairo, 1963), 4:251.</ref>}}

====Women are Toys====

{{Quote|Al-Musanaf Vol. 1 Part 2, p. 263|Omar [one of the Khalifs] was once talking when his wife interjected, so he said to her: 'You are a toy, if you are needed we will call you.'}}

{{Quote||[Mohammad said] The woman is a toy, whoever takes her let him care for her (or do not lose her)<ref>Tuffaha, Ahmad Zaky, Al-Mar'ah wal- Islam, Dar al-Kitab al-Lubnani, Beirut, first edition, 1985, p. 180</ref>}}

====Women are a Tilth for Men to Cultivate====

{{Quote|{{Quran|2|223}}|'''Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will;''' but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe.}}

{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud|11|2138}}|Narrated Mu'awiyah ibn Haydah: I said: Apostle of Allah, how should we approach our wives and how should we leave them? '''He replied: Approach your tilth when or how you will,''' give her (your wife) food when you take food, clothes when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face, and do not beat her.}}

====Women can be Mortgaged====
{{quote|{{bukhari|5|59|369}}|
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: 

Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!"

Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food." (Some difference between narrators about a camel load or two.) '''Kab said, "Yes, (I will lend you), but you should mortgage something to me." Muhammad bin Mas-lama and his companion said, "What do you want?" Ka'b replied, "Mortgage your women to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our women to you and you are the most handsome of the 'Arabs?" Ka'b said, "Then mortgage your sons to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our sons to you? Later they would be abused by the people's saying that so-and-so has been mortgaged for a camel load of food. That would cause us great disgrace, but we will mortgage our arms to you."'''

Muhammad bin Maslama and his companion promised Kab that Muhammad would return to him. He came to Kab at night along with Kab's foster brother, Abu Na'ila. Kab invited them to come into his fort, and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, "Where are you going at this time?" Kab replied, "None but Muhammad bin Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Na'ila have come." His wife said, "I hear a voice as if dropping blood is from him, Ka'b said. "They are none but my brother Muhammad bin Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed."

Muhammad bin Maslama went with two men. (Some narrators mention the men as 'Abu bin Jabr. Al Harith bin Aus and Abbad bin Bishr). So Muhammad bin Maslama went in together with two men, and said to them, "When Ka'b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. I will let you smell his head." Kab bin Al-Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Muhammad bin Maslama said. " have never smelt a better scent than this. Ka'b replied. "I have got the best 'Arab women who know how to use the high class of perfume." Muhammad bin Maslama requested Ka'b "Will you allow me to smell your head?" Ka'b said, "Yes." Muhammad smelt it and made his companions smell it as well. Then he requested Ka'b again, "Will you let me (smell your head)?" Ka'b said, "Yes." When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf." }}

====A Woman's Silence is her Consent====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|9|86|100}}|Narrated Abu Haraira: Allah's Apostle said, "A lady slave should not be given in marriage until she is consulted, and a virgin should not be given in marriage until her permission is granted." The people said, "How will she express her permission?" The Prophet said, '''"By keeping silent (when asked her consent)."''' Some people said, "If a man, by playing a trick, presents two false witnesses before the judge to testify that he has married a matron with her consent and the judge confirms his marriage, and the husband is sure that he has never married her (before), then such a marriage will be considered as a legal one and he may live with her as husband."|See Also {{Bukhari|9|86|101}}}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|9|85|79}}|Narrated 'Aisha: I asked the Prophet, "O Allah's Apostle! Should the women be asked for their consent to their marriage?" He said, "Yes." I said, "A virgin, if asked, feels shy and keeps quiet." He said, '''"Her silence means her consent."'''}}

===Men should avoid women not belonging to them completely===
{{Quote|Ascha, Ghassan. ''Du statut inférieur de la femme en Islam.'' p 491. Paris, 1989.|
*Better for a man to be splashed by a pig than for him to brush against the elbow of a woman not permitted to him.
*Better to bury an iron needle in the head of one of you than to touch a woman not permitted to him.
*He who touches the palm of a woman not legally his will have red-hot embers put in the palm of his hand on Judgment Day.
*Three things can interrupt prayers if they pass in front of someone praying: a black dog, a woman, and an ass.

}}

==The Husband's Rights==

===Souverenity of Men´s Right===

====The Husband's Rights are Divine====

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|9|3|9|1853}}|It was narrated that:

Abdullah bin Abu Awfa said” When Muadh bin Jabal came from Sham, he prostrated to the Prophet who said: 'What is this, O Muadh?' He said: 'I went to Sham and saw them prostrating their bishops and patricians and I wanted to do that for you.' The messenger of Allah said: 'Do not do that. '''If I were to command anyone to prostrate to anyone other than Allah, I would have commanded women to prostrate to their husbands'''. By the one in who hand is the soul of Muhammad! '''No woman can fulfill her duty towards Allah until she fulfills her duty towards her husband.''' If he asks her (for intimacy) even if she is on her camel saddle, she should not refuse.' “(Hasan)}}

{{Quote|Mishkat al-Masabih Section 'Duties of husband and wife', Hadith No. 70|Reported by Abu Dawood, Ahmad, Tirmizi, Ibn Magah and Ibn Haban. Had I ordered anybody to prostrate before any one, I would have ordered women to prostrate before their husbands on account of men's rights over the women ordained by Allah.}}

====Women will Never be Equal to Men====

{{Quote||If a woman offered one of her breasts to be cooked and the other to be roasted, she still will fall short of fulfilling her obligations to her husband. And besides that if she disobeys her husband even for a twinkling of an eye, she would be thrown in the lowest part of Hell, except she repents and turns back.<ref>Tuffaha, Ahmad Zaky, Al-Mar'ah wal- Islam, Dar al-Kitab al-Lubnani, Beirut, first edition, 1985, p. 176. It is also quoted in Al-Musanaf by Abu Bakr Ahmad Ibn 'Abd Allah Ibn Mousa Al-Kanadi who lived 557H., vol. 1 part 2, p. 255. </ref>}}

{{Quote||If blood, suppuration, and pus, were to pour from the husband's nose and the wife licked it with her tongue, she would still never be able to fulfil his rights over her.<ref>Suyuti, commenting on Q. 4:34</ref>}}

====Women Must be Obedient to their Husbands====

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|9|3|9|1854}}|It was narrated that from Musawir Al Himyari from his mother that:

she heard Umm Salamah say: “I heard the Messenger of Allah say: ''''Any woman who dies when her husband is pleased with her, will enter Paradise'''.' ”(Hasan)}}

{{Quote|Al-Suyuti commenting on {{Quran|4|34}}|There are three (persons) whose prayer will not be accepted, nor their virtues be taken above: The runaway slave until he returns back to his master, the woman with whom her husband is dissatisfied, and the drunk until he becomes sober.}}

{{Quote|Mishkat al-Masabih Book I, Section 'Duties of husband and wife', Hadith No. ii, 60|Whosoever female dies while her husband is pleased with her, will enter Paradise.}}

{{Quote|Kanz- el-'Ummal, Volume 22, Hadith Number 868|The prophet once said to a woman: 'Watch how you treat your husband for he is your Paradise and your Hell.}}

===Husband´s Rights===

====The Husband's Desires Must be Immediately Met====

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|9|3|9|1853}}|Abdullah bin Abu Awfa said “...the messenger of Allah said: '... '''If [the husband] asks her (for intimacy) even if she is on her camel saddle, she should not refuse'''.'” (Hasan)}}

{{Quote|Mishkat al-Masabih Book I, Section 'Duties of husband and wife', Hadith No. 61|The prophet of Allah said: When a man calls his wife to satisfy his desire, let her come to him though she is occupied at the oven.}}

====Men have a Right to Rape their Female Slaves, even if they have Husbands====
{{Main|Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Rape}}

{{quote | {{cite quran|70|29|end=30|style=ref}} |
And those who preserve their chastity Save with their wives '''and those whom their right hands possess''', for thus they are not blameworthy;}}

{{Quote||For if a man purchases a slave girl, the purchase contract includes his right to have sex with her.<ref>Abd ar-Rahman al-Gaziri, al-Fiqh 'ala al-Mazahib al-Arba'a, Dar al-Kutub al-'Elmeyah, 1990, vol. 4, p. 89</ref>}}

{{Quote||This contract is primarily to own her and secondarily to enjoy her sexually.<ref>Abd ar-Rahman al-Gaziri, al-Fiqh 'ala al-Mazahib al-Arba'a, Dar al-Kutub al-'Elmeyah, 1990, vol. 4, p. 89</ref>}}

{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud||2155|darussalam}}|"Abu Sai’d al-Khudri said : The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives because of their pagan husbands. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.(1479)"}}

{{Quote|Abu Dawud vol.2 no.2691|Salamah was given a captive girl and had not yet "untied her garment" Mohammed took the woman from Salamah and gave her to the Meccans to ransom Muslim prisoners.}}

{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud|11|2153}}|Narrated Ruwayfi' ibn Thabit al-Ansari: Should I tell you what I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) say on the day of Hunayn: It is not lawful for a man who believes in Allah and the last day to water what another has sown with his water (meaning intercourse with women who are pregnant); it is not lawful for a man who believes in Allah and the Last Day to have intercourse with a captive woman '''till''' she is free from a menstrual course; and it is not lawful for a man who believes in Allah and the Last Day to sell spoil till it is divided.|See Also Abu Dawud vol.2 no.2154}}

{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud|11|2155}}|Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If one of you marries a woman''' or buys a slave''', he should say: "O Allah, I ask Thee for the good in her, and in the disposition Thou hast given her; I take refuge in Thee from the evil in her, and in the disposition Thou hast given her." When he buys a camel, he should take hold of the top of its hump and say the same kind of thing.}}

{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud|31|4006}}|Narrated Mu'awiyah ibn Haydah: I said: Apostle of Allah, from whom should we conceal our private parts and to whom can we show? He replied: conceal your private parts '''except from your wife and from whom your right hands possess (slave-girls)'''...}}

{{Quote|Sahih Bukhari vol.3 ch.113 after no.436|‘Ata said, ‘There is no harm in fondling with one’s pregnant (1) slave-girl without having sexual intercourse with her. Allah said: ‘Except with their wives and the (women captives) whom their right hands possess (for in this case they are not to be blamed).’" Footnote (1) says, "Pregnant from another man, not her present master."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|5|59|459}}|"Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Sa’id Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-’Azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Sai’id said, ‘We went out with Allah’s Apostle for the Ghazwa [battle] of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interruptus, we said, ‘How can we do coitus interrupts before asking Allah’s Apostle who is present among us?’ We asked (him) about it and he said, ‘It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul till the Day of Resurrection is predestined to exist, it will exist."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|8|77|600}}|Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: That while he was sitting with the Prophet a man from the Ansar came and said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get slave girls from the war captives and we love property; what do you think about coitus interruptus?" Allah's Apostle said, "Do you do that? It is better for you not to do it, for there is no soul which Allah has ordained to come into existence but will be created."|See Also {{Bukhari|5|59|459}}, {{Bukhari|3|34|432}}}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|8|3432}}|...Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|8|3371}}|...Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l- Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.}}

====Men May Marry up to Four Women====

{{Quote|{{Quran|4|3}}|If you fear you can not treat orphans (girls) with fairness, then you may marry other women who seem good to you: two, three or four of them. But if you fear that you can not maintain equality among them, marry only one or any slave girls you may own, that will be more suitable. And give the women their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, eat it with enjoyment, take it with right good cheer and absorb it (in your wealth).}}

This did not apply to Ali, Muhammad's son-in-law, who was limited to one wife since Ali was married to Fatima, who was Muhammad's daughter.
{{Quote|{{Bukhari|7|62|157}}|Narrated Al-Miswar bin Makhrama: I heard Allah's Apostle who was on the pulpit, saying, "Banu Hisham bin Al-Mughira have requested me to allow them to marry their daughter to Ali bin Abu Talib, but I don't give permission, and will not give permission unless 'Ali bin Abi Talib divorces my daughter in order to marry their daughter, because Fatima is a part of my body, and I hate what she hates to see, and what hurts her, hurts me."}}

====Man's Right to Divorce====

{{Quote|Sahih Bukhari Volume VII, pp. 6&7, see Hadith Number 10|[A]man may say to his brother (in Islam), 'Have a look at either of my wives (and if you wish), I will divorce her for you.}}

{{Quote|Mishkat al-Masabih, Book 1, duties of parents, Hadith No. 15|The son of 'Omar reported: I had a wife under me whom I loved but whom 'Omar disliked. He told me: 'Divorce her'. But I refused. Then 'Omar came to the Messenger of Allah and notified it to him. The messenger of Allah told me: 'Divorce her'.}}

====Men have the Right to Accuse their Wives of Lewdness====

{{Quote|{{Quran|24|6}}|And for those who launch a charge against their spouses, and have (in support) no evidence but their own,- their solitary evidence (can be received) if they bear witness four times (with an oath) by Allah that they are solemnly telling the truth;}}

{{Quote|{{Quran|24|7}}|And the fifth (oath) (should be) that they solemnly invoke the curse of Allah on themselves if they tell a lie.}}

====Men have a Right Not to be Asked Why they Beat their Wives====

{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud|11|2142}}|Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.}}

====Men Will Have Sex With Many Female Virgins In Heaven====

{{quote | {{cite quran|44|51|end=54|style=ref}} |
Lo! those [men] who kept their duty will be in a place secure amid gardens and water springs, attired in silk and silk embroidery, facing one another. Even so (it will be). And We shall wed them unto [huris] fair ones with wide, lovely eyes.}}

{{quote | {{cite quran|55|56|end=58|style=ref}} |
Therein are those of modest gaze, whom neither man nor jinni will have touched before them. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny? (In beauty) like the jacynth and the coral-stone.}}

{{Quote|{{Quran|55|72}}|Companions restrained (as to their glances), in (goodly) pavilions;}}

{{quote | {{cite quran|78|31|end=35|style=ref}} |
Lo! for the duteous is achievement - Gardens enclosed and vineyards, And '''voluptuous''' [i.e. Kawa'eb, Kawa'eb means swelling and firm, not sagging] '''women''' of equal age; And a full cup. There hear they never vain discourse, nor lying}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|40|6793}}|Muhammad reported that some (persons) stated with a sense of pride and some discussed whether there would be more men in Paradise or more women. It was upon this that Abu Huraira reported that Abu'l Qasim (the Holy Prophet) (may peace be upon him) said: The (members) of the first group to get into Paradise would have their faces as bright as full moon during the night, and the next to this group would have their faces as bright as the shining stars in the sky, '''and every person would have two wives''' and the marrow of their shanks would glimmer beneath the flesh and there would be none without a wife in Paradise.}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|40|6794}}|This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira through another chain of transmitters.}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|40|6795}}|This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira through another chain of transmitters that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The (members of the) first group which would get into Paradise will have their faces as bright as stars in the sky. They would neither pass water, nor void excrement, nor will they suffer from catarrh, nor will they spit, and their combs would be made of gold, and their sweat will be musk, the fuel of their brazier will be aloes, and their wives will be large-eyed maidens and their form would be alike as one single person after the form of their father (Adam) sixty cubits tall.}}

{{Quote|{{Muslim|40|6796}}|Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The first group of my Ummah to get into Paradise would be like a full moon in the night. Then those who would be next to them; they would be like the most significantly glittering stars in regard to brightness, then after them (others) in ranks. They would neither void excrement, nor pass water, nor suffer from catarrh, nor would they spit. And their combs would be made of gold, and the fuel of their braziers would be aloes and their sweat would be musk and their form would be the form of one single person according to the length of their father sixty cubits tall. This hadith has been transmitted on the authority of Ibn Abi Shaiba with a slight variation of wording.}}

{{Quote|Mishkat al-Masabih Book IV, Chapter XLII, Paradise and Hell, Hadith Number 24|The Holy Prophet said: 'The believer will be given such and such strength in Paradise for sexual intercourse. It was questioned: O prophet of Allah! can he do that? He said: "He will be given the strength of one hundred persons.}}

===Duties of Husband===

====Giving Payment for Sex (Dowry)====
{{Main|Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Mahr}}

{{quote | {{Abudawud|11|2126}} | Narrated Basrah:

A man from the Ansar called Basrah said: I married a virgin woman in her veil. When I entered upon her, I found her pregnant. (I mentioned this to the Prophet). The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: ''''She will get the dower, for you made her vagina lawful for you.'''' The child will be your slave. When she has begotten (a child), flog her (according to the version of al-Hasan). The version of Ibn AbusSari has: You people, flog her, or said: inflict hard punishment on him.}}

{{Quote|Mishkat al-Masabih, Book II, Hadith No. 57|Who so gives two handfuls of flour or dates as dowry of his wife has rendered [her] (private parts) lawful.}}

{{Quote||If a man has sex with a married woman, by mistake, thinking her to be his wife, he must give her a dowry equal to the dowry given to a woman of her social worth. This dowry becomes the property of the wife and not her husband.<ref>'Abd ar-Rahman al-Gaziri, al-Fiqh 'ala al-Mazahib al-Arba'a, Dar al-Kutub al- 'Elmeyah, 1990, vol. 4, p. 8. </ref>}}

===Restrictions Given to Husband===

====Men May Not Have Anal Sex With Women====

{{Quote|Musnad Ahmed Vol. 1, Pg. 86|The Holy Prophet said, “Anyone who goes to a soothesayer and believes in him or enters a women in the anus has rejected faith in what was revealed unto Muhammad.”<ref>Referenced by Shaikh Abdullah Faisal in "100 Fabricated Hadiths" Pg. 85, as sahih.</ref>}}

{{Quote|Ahmad, At-Tirmidhi, An-Nasa'i, and Ibn Majah|The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Do not have anal sex with women."<ref name="fatwa anal">[http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543832 Fatwa: Islamic Ruling on Anal Sex] - IslamOnline, February 22, 2010</ref>}}

{{Quote|Ahmad, 5/213|Khuzaymah Ibn Thabit (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Allah is not too shy to tell you the truth: Do not have sex with your wives in the anus."<ref name="fatwa anal"></ref>}}

{{Quote|Ahmad, 2/479; Saheeh al-Jaami', 5865|"Cursed is the one who approaches his wife in her rectum" }}

{{Quote|Ibn Abi Shaybah, 3/529, classified authentic by At-Tirmidhi, hadith, 1165|Ibn `Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated: "The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Allah will not look at a man who has anal sex with his wife."<ref name="fatwa anal"></ref> }}

{{Quote|al-Tirmidhi, 1/243; Saheeh al-Jaami', 5918|"The one who has intercourse with a menstruating woman, or with a woman in her rectum, or who goes to a fortune-teller, has disbelieved in what was revealed to Muhammad."}}

==Women's Rights==

===Women´s Rights===

====Women have the Right to get their Food and Clothes====

{{Quote|Sunan Ibn Magah, Kitab al-Nikah, Hadith No. 1850.|O Messenger of Allah ! What right has the wife of one among us got over him?' He said: 'It is that you shall give her food when you have taken your food, that you shall clothe her when you have clothed yourself, that you shall not slap her on the face, nor revile her, nor desert her except within the house.}}

====Women have the Right to Not be Hit on the Face====

{{Quote|Mishkat Al-Masabih: Volume 2, page 691|Hakim b. Mu`awiya al-Qushairi quoted his father as telling that he asked, "Messenger of God, what right can any wife demand of her husband?" He replied, "That you should give her food to eat, clothe her when you clothe yourself, not strike her on the face, and do not revile her or seperate from her except in the house." Ahmad, Abu Dawud and Ibn Majah transmitted it.}}

{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud|11|2137}}|Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: Mu'awiyah asked: Apostle of Allah, what is the right of the wife of one of us over him? He replied: That you should give her food when you eat, clothe her when you clothe yourself, do not strike her '''on the face''', do not revile her or separate yourself from her except in the house.}}

{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud|11|2138}}|Narrated Mu'awiyah ibn Haydah: I said: Apostle of Allah, how should we approach our wives and how should we leave them? He replied: Approach your tilth when or how you will, give her (your wife) food when you take food, clothe when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face, and do not beat her.}}

{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud|11|2139}}|Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them.}}

====A Woman has the Right to get Payment for Sex Forced on her by Mistake====

{{Quote||If a man has sex with a married woman, by mistake, thinking her to be his wife, he must give her a dowry equal to the dowry given to a woman of her social worth. This dowry becomes the property of the wife and not her husband.<ref>'Abd ar-Rahman al-Gaziri, al-Fiqh 'ala al-Mazahib al-Arba'a, Dar al-Kutub al- 'Elmeyah, 1990, vol. 4, p. 8. </ref>}}

====A Woman has the Right to go to Mosque, but she must take Permission from her Husband====
{{Quote|Bukhari, Nikah 116|"If the wife of any one of you ask permission to go to the mosque, he should not forbid her."}}

===Restrictions Given to Women===

====Muslim Women are Not Allowed to Marry Non-Muslim Men====

{{Quote|{{Quran|2|221}}|Wed not idolatresses till they believe; for lo! a believing bondwoman is better than an idolatress though she please you; '''and give not your daughters in marriage to idolaters till they believe''', for lo! a believing slave is better than an idolater though he please you. These invite unto the Fire, and Allah inviteth unto the Garden, and unto forgiveness by His grace, and expoundeth His revelations to mankind that haply they may reme}}

====Women are Not Allowed to Choose a Man====

=====Women Must have Arranged Marriages by their Guardian=====

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|9|3|9|1879}}|It was narrated from Aishah that :

the Messenger of Allah said: “'''Any woman whose marriage is not arranged by her guardian, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid'''. If (the man) has had intercourse with her, then the Mahr belongs to her in return for his intimacy with her. And if there is any dispute then the ruler is the guardian of the one who does not have a guardian.” (Sahih)}}

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|9|3|9|1880}}|It was narrated that:

Aisha and Ibn Abbas said: “The Messenger of Allah said: ''''There is no marriage except with a guardian'''.' ”According to the Hadith of Aishah: “And the ruler is the guardian of the one who does not have a guardian. ” (Sahih)}}

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|9|3|9|1881}}|It was narrated from Abu Musa that:

the Messenger of Allah said: “'''There is no marriage except with a guardian'''.” (Sahih)}}

=====Women Married to Men of their own Choosing are Adulteresses=====

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|9|3|9|1882}}|It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that:

the Messenger of Allah said: “No woman should arrange the marriage of another woman, and no woman should arrange her own marriage. '''The adulteress is the one who arranges her own marriage'''.” (Sahih)}}

====Women Cannot Fast Extra, or Allow Someone to Enter their Home without Husband’s Permission====
{{Quote|{{Abu Dawud|13|2452}}|Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri: A woman came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) while we were with him. She said: Apostle of Allah, my husband, Safwan ibn al-Mu'attal, beats me when I pray, and makes me break my fast when I keep a fast, and he does not offer the dawn prayer until the sun rises. He asked Safwan, who was present, about what she had said. He replied: Apostle of Allah, as for her statement "he beats me when I pray", she recites two surahs (during prayer) and I have prohibited her (to do so). He (the Prophet) said: If one surah is recited (during prayer), that is sufficient for the people.(Safwan continued:) As regards her saying "he makes me break my fast," she dotes on fasting; I am a young man, I cannot restrain myself. The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) said on that day: A woman should not fast except with the permission of her husband.(Safwan said:) As for her statement that I do not pray until the sun rises, we are a people belonging to a class, and that (our profession of supplying water) is already known about us. We do not awake until the sun rises. He said: When you awake, offer your prayer|See Also {{Abu Dawud|13|2452}}}}

{{Quote|Kanz al-`ummal, 22:2|"Any woman who fasts without the permission of her husband, and he desired her for a certain thing but she refused, God will record three major sins against her."}}

{{Quote|Al-Tirmidsi, Sawm 65|"Abu Huraira narrated that the Messenger of God said, 'No woman can fast a day of Ramadan, while her husband is there, without his prior permission.' "}}

====A woman cannot give away anything in her house without husband's permission====

{{Quote|''Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 609'', (CD-ROM), Alim.org. [https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/7/54 Jami Al-Tirmidhi 7:54].|Narrated AbuUmamah: AbuUmamah heard Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) say in the course of his sermon in the year of the Farewell Pilgrimage, "A woman must not give anything away from her husband's house without her husband's permission." He was asked whether she might not even give away food and replied, "That is the most excellent property we possess." 
Tirmidhi transmitted it.}}

====A Menstruating Woman is Not Allowed to Stay in the Mosque====
(She might be able to enter it briefly though.)
{{Quote|Abu Dawud vol.1 footnote 113|
A menstruating woman is not allowed to recite the Qur’an.}}

{{Quote|Abu Dawud 232|
Âishah relates that the Prophet (peace be upon him said: “I do not permit a woman in her menses or a person in a state of major ritual impurity into the mosque.” [Sunan Abî Dâwûd, Sunan Ibn Mâjah, Sunan al-Bayhaqî, and Sahîh Ibn Khuzaymah] }}

{{Quote|Abu Dawud vol.1 footnote 111|
A limited mourning period}}
{{Quote|{{Bukhari|4|52|250}}|Narrated Ibn Abbas: That he heard the Prophet saying, "It is not permissible for a man to be alone with a woman, and no lady should travel except with a Muhram (i.e. her husband or a person whom she cannot marry in any case for ever; e.g. her father, brother, etc.)." Then a man got up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have enlisted in the army for such-and-such Ghazwa and my wife is proceeding for Hajj." Allah's Apostle said, "Go, and perform the Hajj with your wife."}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|7|63|252}}|Narrated Um Salama: A woman was bereaved of her husband and her relatives worried about her eyes (which were diseased). They came to Allah's Apostle, and asked him to allow them to treat her eyes with kohl, but he said, "She should not apply kohl to her eyes. (In the Pre-Islamic period of Ignorance) a widowed woman among you would stay in the worst of her clothes (or the worst part of her house) and when a year had elapsed, if a dog passed by her, she would throw a globe of dung, Nay, (she cannot use kohl) till four months and ten days have elapsed." Narrated Um Habiba: The Prophet said, "It is not lawful for a Muslim woman who believes in Allah and the Last Day to mourn for more than three days, except for her husband, for whom she should mourn for four months and ten days."|See Also {{Bukhari|7|71|607}}, {{Muslim|9|3541}}}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|2|20|194}}|Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet (p.b.u.h) said, "It is not permissible for a woman who believes in Allah and the Last Day to travel for one day and night except with a Mahram."}}

====Menstruating Women are Not Allowed to Perform Tawaf====

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|1|6|302}}|Narrated 'Aisha: We set out with the Prophet for Hajj and when we reached Sarif I got my menses. When the Prophet came to me, I was weeping. He asked, "Why are you weeping?" I said, "I wish if I had not performed Hajj this year." He asked, "May be that you got your menses?" I replied, "Yes." He then said, "This is the thing which Allah has ordained for all the daughters of Adam. So do what all the pilgrims do except that you do not perform the Tawaf round the Ka'ba till you are clean."}}

===Duties of Women===

====Women Must Immediately Fulfill their Husbands Desires====

{{Quote|Mishkat al-Masabih Book I, Section 'Duties of husband and wife', Hadith No. 61|The prophet of Allah said: When a man calls his wife to satisfy his desire, let her come to him though she is occupied at the oven.}}

{{Quote|{{Quran|2|223}}|'''Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will;''' but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe.}}

====Women Must be Obedient to their Husbands to Enter Heaven====

{{Quote|{{Ibn Majah|9|3|9|1854}}|It was narrated that from Musawir Al Himyari from his mother that:

she heard Umm Salamah say: “I heard the Messenger of Allah say: ''''Any woman who dies when her husband is pleased with her, will enter Paradise'''.' ”(Hasan)}}

{{Quote|Muslim Scholar {{wp|Al-Suyuti}} while commenting on {{Quran|4|34}}|There are three (persons) whose prayer will not be accepted, nor their virtues be taken above: The runaway slave until he returns back to his master, the woman with whom her husband is dissatisfied, and the drunk until he becomes sober.}}

{{Quote|Mishkat al-Masabih Book I, Section 'Duties of husband and wife', Hadith No. ii, 60|Whosoever female dies while her husband is pleased with her, will enter Paradise.}}

{{Quote|Kanz- el-'Ummal, Volume 22, Hadith Number 868|The prophet once said to a woman: 'Watch how you treat your husband for he is your Paradise and your Hell.}}

====Women Must have their Faces Veiled====
{{Main|Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Hijab}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|5|59|462}}|Narrated 'Aisha: [...] While I was sitting in my resting place, I was overwhelmed by sleep and slept. Safwan bin Al-Muattal As-Sulami Adh-Dhakwani was behind the army. When he reached my place in the morning, he saw the figure of a sleeping person and he recognized me on seeing me as he had seen me before the order of compulsory veiling (was prescribed). So I woke up when he recited Istirja' (i.e. "Inna lillahi wa inna llaihi raji'un") as soon as he recognized me. '''I veiled my face with my head cover at once''', and by Allah, we did not speak a single word, and I did not hear him saying any word besides his Istirja'. He dismounted from his camel and made it kneel down, putting his leg on its front legs and then I got up and rode on it. [...]}}

{{Quote|{{Bukhari|6|60|282}}|Narrated Safiya bint Shaiba:

'Aisha used to say: "When (the Verse): "They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms," was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and '''covered their faces''' with the cut pieces."}}

{{Core Women}}

==See Also==

{{Hub4|Women (Primary Sources)|Women (Primary Sources)}}

{{Template:Translation-links-english|[[Ženy a islám (Korán, Prorok Mohamed a islámští učenci o ženách)|Czech]]}}

==References==
{{Reflist|30em}}

[[Category:QHS]]
[[Category:Islam and Women]]
[[Category:Islamic Law]]

Talk:Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Friendship with Non-Muslims

2016-10-18T21:13:45Z

Yaakovaryeh: /* Missing verse */

== Missing verse ==
I noticed that [http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=3&verse=28 verse 3:28] is not included in the list of verses.
Is there a reason for that, or should I add it?
Also, which translation(s) should be used? [[User:Yaakovaryeh|Yaakovaryeh]] ([[User talk:Yaakovaryeh|talk]]) 17:13, 18 October 2016 (EDT)
:Waiting for Lightyears to reply. [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 16:53, 18 October 2016 (EDT)
:: What do you mean?

Also [http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=5&verse=80 verse 5:80] should be added. [[User:Yaakovaryeh|Yaakovaryeh]] ([[User talk:Yaakovaryeh|talk]]) 17:13, 18 October 2016 (EDT)

Talk:Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Friendship with Non-Muslims

2016-10-18T21:13:18Z

Yaakovaryeh: /* Missing verse */

== Missing verse ==
I noticed that [http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=3&verse=28 verse 3:28] is not included in the list of verses.
Is there a reason for that, or should I add it?
Also, which translation(s) should be used? [[User:Yaakovaryeh|Yaakovaryeh]] ([[User talk:Yaakovaryeh|talk]]) 17:13, 18 October 2016 (EDT)
:Waiting for Lightyears to reply. [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 16:53, 18 October 2016 (EDT)
:: What do you mean?

Also [verse 5:80 http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=5&verse=80] should be added. [[User:Yaakovaryeh|Yaakovaryeh]] ([[User talk:Yaakovaryeh|talk]]) 17:13, 18 October 2016 (EDT)

WikiIslam:Discussions/Visitor Inquiries

2016-10-18T21:08:02Z

Yaakovaryeh:

{{Template:Discussions}} [[Category:Help Pages]]
'''''This page is for inquiries from visitors concerning the wiki itself, not for general questions about Islam. All new discussion topics should be created at the bottom of the page, below all previous discussions, and all messages should comply with [[WikiIslam:Talk Pages|talk page guidelines]].'''''


==Donations==

Terrific job guys -- keep up the good work. Do you have a donate button? Haqir
:Welcome Haqir and thanks! Yes we do. You can find it [[WikiIslam:Join_Our_Team#Donations|here]] --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] 00:12, 26 October 2011 (PDT)

== Link ==

Can someone give this link a good home? [http://www.islam-watch.org/iw-new/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=259:sexual-slavery-and-concubinage-in-islam&catid=111:fakhour&Itemid=58 Islam-Watch.org:sexual-slavery-and-concubinage-in-islam ]
:Done. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] 08:50, 28 November 2009 (PST)

==Help==
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justification_of_Terrorism_in_Islam

Some muslims i think are trying to Delete this article. because it shows what islam really teaches

Please help me.

go here, which is a the place to discuss wether the article should be deleted or not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Justification_of_Terrorism_in_Islam

and '''write keep in the discussion'''. So it doesnt get deleted.

Also pelase dont act islamphobic over there. Because you know wikipedia sucks up to Islam/ and if you cant islamaphobic it will be deleted. {{unsigned|86.18.223.124}}
:There's no such thing as Islamophobia, but I know what you mean. The problem is that there are active dawa teams over on WikiPedia - at least two that I know of; the Sunni side and the Shia side. Their main purpose is to keep the wiki articles over there presenting Islam in the best possible light. Of course the minor goal of each team is to present themselves as the "right sect" and the others as "wrong"; so at any given time, depending on who edited last (Sunni/Shia) then the Sunni's are the minority who are going to burn in hell, or vice versa. So I understand the problem you are having; and that is the REASON why WikiIslamn was created in the first place, due to frustration of editors because legitimate content would keep getting removed because of these teams and also the dhimmi ignoramuses.

:But hey, thanks for calling us "islamophobes" - really appreciated (NOT). [[User:Sanitarium|Sanitarium]] 20:27, 14 November 2009 (PST) 

== Question about Koran Translations online ==

I hope this is the right place to pose a question.

I have decided to devote some time every day to reading the koran hadith et all.

1 I have read here that many translations have been whitewashed. Is there an accurate translation online I can access?

2 I have found a site that seems good (it is by and for muslims and has mulitple translations by Ahmed Raza Khan (Mohammed Aqib Qadri), Yusuf Ali and Pickthal. These translations of each line are presented side by side. There is another site with a translation by H M Shakir

But before I devote time to reading from these sites-

a) It is said that the Koran is arranged in "order" from largest chapter to shortest. But on the site I found that isn't a smooth shift from most verses to least verses. This is what I mean:
Chap 5 120 verses
chap 6 165 verses
chap 7 206 verses
chap 8 75 verses
chap 9 129 verses
chap 10 109 verses

And so on. What I Really need to know is- '''Are there verses being intenionally left out in these translations?''' Or is it amount of words per chapter only, not number of verses that determines the length?
:This page is for issues about anything on WikiIslam, not general Islam stuff. This is the right place ,the FFI forum -> [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewforum.php?f=21]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] 15:46, 11 January 2011 (PST)

== IRC?==

Have you considered opening a chat room like #wikiislam on irc.freenode.net where dialogue can occur between skeptics and Muslims in chat? --[[User:Sonja|Sonja]] 20:59, 28 January 2011 (PST)
:That would be nice but there's only a few of us regular editors here and we dont have the time to chat or moderate chat. People are asked to go to forums on other websites. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] 21:05, 28 January 2011 (PST)

== Jannah ==

I can't seem to find an article specifically on paradise - there's one for Jahannam but not for Jannah. I know the site's purpose is to criticize Islam but I think a pretty good case can be made against the Islamic heaven (sex slavery, no broadband etc.). I'm not a scholar of Islam so I'm reluctant to start one myself. -[[User:Orange124|Orange124]] 10:39, 2 June 2011 (PDT)

:Yeah, ATM we do have some articles related to heaven (72 virgins etc.) and a lot of primary sources ([http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Heaven here]) but we have no main/general article discussing everything. I'll add it to our to-do list. Thanks! --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] 10:42, 2 June 2011 (PDT)

==Any interest in project to categorize the koran verses for sql database?==

i've described it at FFI forum post & currently just getting started

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=10270

one approach would be for me to post an article with all the koran verses & initial category assignments (or something i'm new at this wiki stuff) and let people edit the verses to assign categories, then download the article & use as new data for the sql queries

defining the categories & assigning them to the verses is a very open ended task and can be done ranging from simple (a flat category structure & maybe a dozen categories) to complex (a 10 level category tree with 100s of categories)

for me the appeal is having functionality to query the verses based on categories, like - show all verses with categories = violence against unbelievers, show all verses with categories = theology and legal (or however the lack of seperation church/state is represented in the cats)

just having a list of verses & categories is nice but not sure how useful this list is unless can query or show them somehow. example website with verses categorized is the skeptics etc
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/Quran/

thanks
:Hi Ecks, thanks for your reply to my message on the FFI forum about that post you linked. The main problem is that there arent many editors on this site, its just me and Gabe right now and we dont have any time to work on this, so you'll have to do everything yourself but we can guide you. On the wiki you can make pages and links and tables and so on. There arent any database functions. 6000 verses means it will be a huge project for one person
:I saw the site you linked in your reply [http://www.cspipublishing.com/statistical/index.html], the graphs look good.
:We can teach how to make Wiki pages and edit here, and answer your questions, but basically you're on your own and you'll have to judge if what you want to do can be wholelly or partially achieved on this site. You can tell us what features you need and we can tell what is possible here and you can see if it will meet your needs. This wiki atmosphere is text based: links between pages, images, tables (sortable) etc. -- [[User:Axius|Axius]] 17:27, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
::Hi Axius - ok i will just continue as planned & when i get closer to being finished then explore posting more info here at wikiislam. it's clearly possible to do a flat category structure just using html & links into koran verses (thats what the skeptics site does) but i wanted more than that :) which is why i'm planning for sql. automating all that page creation is the way to go, some jscript to read the sql data & emit the html pages, then just upload them etc
:::Ok sounds good. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] 16:25, 27 July 2011 (PDT)

this project fizzled out. i learned alot but not worth the effort to finish, see the post mortem notes at FFI link about. i guess this whole entry can be deleted ?
--[[User:Ecks why|Ecks why]] 14:07, 5 September 2011 (PDT)
:Thats ok, this will be archived when the we archive all the sections on this page. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] 14:44, 5 September 2011 (PDT)

::Terrific idea. Should be done sometime. -Haqir

== WikiIslam run by the same guy?==

I notice this website is neutral to biased against islam.
Is this website writen by many christians?
As the christianwiki, is definately extremely pro christian biased. —The preceding [[WikiIslam:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:60.242.71.160|60.242.71.160]] ([[User talk:60.242.71.160|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/60.242.71.160|contribs]]) {{#if:04:19, 13 March 2012| on 04:19, 13 March 2012|}} 

:This wiki is an independent one, so if you're trying to suggest there is some sort of connection with this site to other wikis, you'd be wrong. Doing a quick Google search, I found that there is a [http://wikichristian.org/index.php/Main_Page WikiChristian], and they are pro-Christian. It would be, considering it is obviously owned by a Christian and they make this clear by having a "Statement of Faith" and the first words you read on the main page is "Welcome to WikiChristian! God bless you."

:The owner of WikiIslam is atheist, and the majority of editors/contributors are either atheist or agnostic. There are also Christian, Hindu, Jewish, Muslim and Zoroastrian editors/contributors. But seriously, how is the religious affiliation of editors a concern for anyone? The wiki is open to all critics so long as they adhere to our policies and guildlines. If their personal beliefs go against TOE, which the site supports, it's not our concern, and we're not in the habit of interrogating our editors and contributors.

:BTW, that has been covered in our FAQ already ([http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Frequently_Asked_Questions#What_is_the_religious_persuasion_of_the_contributors_to_WikiIslam.3F Link]). --[[User:Sahabah|Sahabah]] 04:59, 13 March 2012 (PDT)

::User60.242.71.160, apparently you have inspired one of your co-religionists to post a Yahoo!Answers [http://archive.is/http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20121209052050AAXMKca question] titled, "Why is WikiIslam run by the same guy who runs WikiChristian?"

::This is a great display of how morally bankrupt pious Muslims can become. Deciding to fabricate a lie in an attempt to discredit the site (in a similar vein to how they tend to scream "[[Glossary_of_Islamic_Terms#C|Christian Missionary]]" at everyone, regardless of the critic's beliefs or occupation).

::He claims, "Just a whois lookup gave it away". But, as the Yahoo!Answers user named Anjali helpfully pointed out in reply to this Muslim, the whois lookup shows nothing of the sort. WikiChristian.org/com etc., is run by [http://archive.is/http://www.whoisxy.com/t3resultpage.aspx?type=domain&q=wikichristian.com&rid=239521 an individual from India], WikiIslam's [http://archive.is/http://www.whoisxy.com/t3resultpage.aspx?type=domain&q=wikiislam.com&rid=239522 registration is private] (clearly this apologist is one of the [[Muslim Statistics (Education and Employment)|many illiterate people]] who follow Islam). --[[User:Sahabah|Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 21:55, 9 December 2012 (PST)
:::Just for the record, in his continuing campaign to spread lies about WikiIslam, the same Muslim has opened [http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20121213004152AApgYUt another question] on Yahoo!Answers. This time he's claiming we are an Islamic site, but we called him a "moron" for his imaginary edits on an article related to science and banned him. Any user/reader here can check our related talk pages, edit summaries and block logs. Doing so would reveal that this claim is false. We expect editors to be civil to one another on this site. Calling another editor (Muslim or non-Muslim) a "moron" would in itself earn you a ban here. Oh, and we know this Y!A member reads our forum messages, so just for his benefit, science does not say [[Creation_of_Humans_from_Clay#The_Scientific_Hypothesis|man was created ''from'' clay]]. --[[User:Sahabah|Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 14:42, 20 December 2012 (PST)

== History of Jihad ==

WHY was the HISTORY OF JIHAD section removed? (anon IP)
:The HOJ series of articles was removed due to multiple reasons, one of them being use of inappropriate language and text that was not suitable for this site (specific quotes can be provided if needed). There were also no inline citations that would confirm the validity of what was being said (this is a core policy for our articles). There is also no known authorship. In other words, we don't know who wrote it. HOJ was imported to this site a long time ago and that time we had little content and no policies. HOJ used to exist on its own site [http://www.historyofjihad.org] but it looks like its offline right now. Here's one copy ---> http://islam-watch.org/HistoryOfJihad/index.html --[[User:Axius|Axius]] 13:19, 24 March 2012 (PDT)
::Anon will probably never see this message, but the History of Jihad site is back up. --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 03:05, 2 August 2012 (PDT)

== Arabic word nikah ==

IS there a page regarding the details of arabic word nikah , which means "sexual intercourse" ? and why quran uses that word for marriage in several passages ?

:Hi anon. No, we haven't at the moment, but it's on our very log to-do list. You may be interested in [http://www.translatingjihad.com/2011/03/update-fatwa-it-is-permissible-to-have.html?showComment=1299979475816#c4843074915730208352 these comments/posts] by Greenforest that covers the meaning of nikah. --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 23:27, 14 June 2012 (PDT)

== Mirror? ==

This site is blocked in some countries; any chance of creating a mirror that might allow direct access without having to use a proxy service?
:The mirror would probably also be blocked eventually. They'll have to use proxy or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_%28anonymity_network%29 TOR]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 04:57, 20 June 2012 (PDT)

== First article page created. Now I have questions ==

I've created my first article here (http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Quranic_Error:_Mary,_the_mother_of_Jesus_or_the_sister_of_Moses%3F)

Since I'm new to wiki editing, I was wondering if someone could see if i've used the guidelines and standardization in the correct way so far. Just a little test to see if I'm on the right track. I definately do not want to pollute this website.

Also I have this question: What do I do when an article is not finished? For now I have the words "Under Construction" at the top of the article. But this is sort of a work around. I haven't found a way to work on the article offline so that it can be published only when its finished. So I was forced to save the page and make it clear that it's still under construction. But perhaps there is a more conventional way to deal with these situations?

Also, feel free to, if you're a native English speaker, fine tune my English here and there. Since English is not my first language, I doubt at times whether my style is recognizable and not too 'Dutch', if that makes sense. [[User:Truthseeker|Truthseeker]] ([[User talk:Truthseeker|talk]]) 12:38, 30 July 2012 (PDT)

: I've added the "under construction" template to the page (to do this, just add ''<tt><nowiki>{{Underconstruction}}</nowiki></tt>'' to the top of any page). As long as that is placed on the page, it is fine. So don't feel that you have to rush yourself.

: I'm wondering, how many articles do you have to import? I think it's best if we wait for you to finish importing them all and then add them to the new articles list as a complete series (we can give them their own "front page" [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Parallelism_Between_the_Qur'an_and_Judeo-Christian_Scriptures like here], and of course you can continue adding new pages to it).

: You will also notice that I've moved the page to a title without any special characters (taking out these ''': , ?'''). This is because those characters tend to break incoming links. We get around it by adding this template at the bottom: ''<tt><nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE:Qur'anic Errors: Mary, the Mother of Jesus or the Sister of Moses?}}</nowiki></tt>'' --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 04:43, 31 July 2012 (PDT)

:: I have only a few. I was hoping others could pick up the series. But I now think it's best to not use numbers for episodes. But like you said, after we have a few the articles they can be added to lists. I'm not as fast as I would be in Dutch, so it may take some time to finish the articles.[[User:Truthseeker|Truthseeker]] ([[User talk:Truthseeker|talk]]) 12:16, 31 July 2012 (PDT)

== Whoops! All Quran quotes fail ?? ==

It seems that the cmje.org website you refer to for Quran quotes is offline. Is this temporarily or should we start looking for a different Quran-quote template?
:Yea you're right its offline. I've written to the website owners and asked if its going to be back up. Otherwise there were some duplicate copies of that website on other places the last time I checked and we can switch. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 21:12, 30 July 2012 (PDT)
::Looks like they got the site back up: http://cmje.org/ . --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 10:15, 1 August 2012 (PDT)
:: It looks like it's down. --[[User:Paul99|Paul99]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 5:18, 27 August 2014 (CMT)
:::They have been using another url: http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/ They went from usc.edu to Cmje.org and then back to usc.edu. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 01:37, 28 August 2014 (PDT)

== Assisting more experienced article writers ==

I have a question.

I'm sure there are men and women here with alot of academic experience who have started to write on extensive complex articles.

Would it be an idea that perhaps less experienced editors could assist in doing some of the research work or doing some standardization work for them? This could save the experienced ones alot of time.

I myself would like to volunteer to be one of those assistance if anyone feels they require help with their article.

Just throwing it out there.
[[User:Truthseeker|Truthseeker]] ([[User talk:Truthseeker|talk]]) 12:19, 31 July 2012 (PDT)

:Thanks for the offer! Much appreciated. I'm not aware of anything at the moment, but will let you know. There's always something on the [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Tasks tasks page] if you find yourself at a loss for something to do (but note that some of the tasks may be out of date, so it would be best to check with us first). --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 05:27, 1 August 2012 (PDT)

== It is possible to have sex with a death woman in Islam. ==

I just red on line what Saturday, 28 April 2012 the Al Arabia News wrote ( a newspaper owned by the Saudi king).
Egypt's women urge MPs not to pass early marriage, and sex-after-death laws. If they pass the law, it will allow men to have sex with their own wife up to 6 hours after her death. The women are anyway just object there, that law would show even more how disturbed their mind is. Please people give some good idea where can I make people aware about this disgusting thing in the media. I don't see any problem if this will bring more tension between Muslims and non Muslims if that is a fact.—The preceding [[WikiIslam:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Szultan44|Szultan44]] ([[User talk:Szultan44|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Szultan44|contribs]]) {{#if:10:54, 11 August 2012| on 10:54, 11 August 2012|}} 

:Hi Szultan44. Such questions are better suited to the [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/ FFI forum]. Open a thread under the [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewforum.php?f=22&sid=d49039027d61629d68981293d3281497 Islam: Questioned, Defended, & Explained] or [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewforum.php?f=21&sid=d49039027d61629d68981293d3281497 The Quran and Hadith] sub forums, and you should receive an answer. --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 13:35, 11 August 2012 (PDT)

== My article still under construction ==

My article http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Refuting_Apologists_Jews_Christians_and_Sabiens_can_go_to_heaven still have under construction template. Why ? —The preceding [[WikiIslam:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Azdahaexm|Azdahaexm]] ([[User talk:Azdahaexm|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Azdahaexm|contribs]]) {{#if:05:00, 3 September 2012| on 05:00, 3 September 2012|}} 

:Hi Azdahaexm. It's not ready. I haven't got around to fixing the formatting etc., yet. I'm snowed-under trying to keep the other pages up-to-date. There are also a few points I would like to add to the article. I'm sorry that it's not on our new articles list yet, but the important thing is that it's here and should eventually be added. I hope you don't mind the delay too much. --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 07:09, 3 September 2012 (PDT)

::Thanks friend. No I didn't mind at all. Infact I have done some more changes. thanks --[[User:Azdahaexm|Azdahaexm]] ([[User talk:Azdahaexm|talk]]) 11:05, 4 September 2012 (PDT)
:::Hi Azdahaexm. The article has now been added. --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 04:46, 11 September 2012 (PDT)
::::Thank you so much

== Underline in editor ==

I couldn't find "underline" option in Editor. Is is possible to add that ? --[[User:Azdahaexm|Azdahaexm]] ([[User talk:Azdahaexm|talk]]) 11:46, 4 September 2012 (PDT)

:I'm sure Axius could add that if need be, but (with the exception of our very own Prophet [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Farsideology Farside]) we don't really use underline in articles. We usually stick with using bold within quotes or otherwise italics for emphasis. --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 12:57, 4 September 2012 (PDT)

:: LOL@Prophet Farside... I also sometimes need underline . Sometimes I have to bold the complete statement but to give more emphasize on certain words in the whole statement so I use underline for that. --[[User:Azdahaexm|Azdahaexm]] ([[User talk:Azdahaexm|talk]]) 13:30, 4 September 2012 (PDT)

:::Oh, cool. You could try adding italics to the bolded text like this:

:::{{Quote|{{Bukhari|9|92|399}}| Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, "People will not stop asking questions till they say, 'This is Allah, the Creator of everything, '''then ''who'' created Allah?''' "}}

:::How's that? --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 13:41, 4 September 2012 (PDT)

:::: Thanks, yes i already did that , if you read my article, in commentary of "Biyanul Quran" I have italicized some words in the beginning. But I think underline will be better. :)

:::::Sorry. I hate saying no but I'll have to here. :( It's to keep our pages consistent in style and content (I think the underlining of text was seen as being messy and hard on the eyes). WikiIslam hasn't used underline in it's pages since 2006 (long before I ever made my first edit or even heard of the site). --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 02:13, 5 September 2012 (PDT)

:::::: I was about to say the same that if it goes against the standard or looks messy then there is no need to add it. - {{unsigned|Azdahaexm}}
:::::::Wikipedia has an Underline template [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Underline], which interestingly is not used much [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&limit=500&target=Template%3AUnderline&namespace=0]. On their manual of style it [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Text_formatting#How_not_to_apply_emphasis says] ''"Underlining is used in typewriting and handwriting to represent italic type. Generally, do not underline text or it may be confused with links on a web page."'' (the links issue is also what I agree with too), so yes we're OK as we are without it. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 17:12, 5 September 2012 (PDT)

== Appropriate to refute Quranists ? ==

As we all know there is an emerging sect that claim to follow ONLY QURAN [Quranists]. Although there are many many refutations to Quranists for their claim that hadiths are not part of Islam or Quran was the only revelation but one of the most well documented and precise is at www.call-to-monotheism.com [islamic apologetic website]. Is it appropriate to create pages using this work to refute claims of Quranists ? I mean such kind of articles are appropriate for wikiislam ? --[[User:Azdahaexm|Azdahaexm]] ([[User talk:Azdahaexm|talk]]) 00:56, 8 September 2012 (PDT)

:We focus on mainstream Islamic beliefs but we do have one page dealing with Qur'anists [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an_Only_Islam_-_Why_it_is_Not_Possible here]. I guess you could expand the information on that page, but I don't see the need for more pages on the same thing. We also have to be careful that we do not plagiarize other's work. Taking ideas from them is fine but it cant be the same. Funny thing about Qur'anists is that I was a Muslim most of my life and have never met one. You cant escape their babble on the internet but they hardly seem to exist in the real world. One of life's great mysteries.:)

:On another note, I wanted to ask you is there a reason you use the Sahih International translation? We like to use either Yusuf Ali's, Marmaduke Pickthal's or M. H. Shakir's translations from the [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Compendium_of_Muslim_Texts Compendium of Muslim Texts]. Would it be okay for me to change the Qur'an translations on the article to one of these? --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 03:49, 8 September 2012 (PDT)

:: Hahaha, you are right, but i have two of my cousins who are quranists, anyways , i will see what i can add to the page you have posted. About translation , there is no special reason to use Sahih International's quran except it is easily accessible via links like http://quran.com/1/1 and it is very close to the word to word provided by [http://corpus.quran.com Corpus Quran]. Feel free to change translations, I will keep this in mind and will use the above mentioned translations in future and I will change translations for my current article. Thanks --[[User:Azdahaexm|Azdahaexm]] ([[User talk:Azdahaexm|talk]]) 10:40, 8 September 2012 (PDT)

== Muhammad and his Wives ==

I think this article is probably ready to go live.

There are still a couple of references missing, but I think we have reached the stage where it is not worth delaying publication over them. I will add those references as I locate them.

I may also want to add a couple of small details in the future, but they will not change any major argument or even the flow of a paragraph. They are just details that add life to the character portrayals, but so far I have only read them in secondary (or tertiary or quaternary...) sources.

I suspect my page on Khadija can now replace the existing page on Khadija, and my introductory page, which includes a link to a list of Muhammad's unconsummated marriages, can replace the existing "List of Muhammad's Wives and Concubines".

My pages on Safiya and Mariya should not replace the existing pages, as the latter are analytical articles, whereas my pages are biographies. However, I have added links for further reading.[[User:1234567|1234567]] ([[User talk:1234567|talk]]) 21:23, 20 October 2012 (PDT)
:Great. As I mentioned previously, Axius will have to read through it before adding it. He's going to be busy for the next week or so and won't be logging in very often, so it will probably be after that. If it was a normal article, I could have done it but this is a massive addition. --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 02:55, 21 October 2012 (PDT)

== New Editor ==

Hi,

I'm a new editor, I wish to contribute my articles on Islamic miracle claims to this site. How do I get about doing this?

[[User:Nahar Varma|Nahar Varma]] ([[User talk:Nahar Varma|talk]]) 04:15, 10 December 2012 (PST)

:Welcome to WikiIslam! Nice to have you here. If you want to work on an article from scratch, you can click this link: [[User:Nahar Varma/Sandbox]]. If you have an article already written, you can go to [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Help:Contents#How_to_Create_a_New_Page this page] and enter the desired page title into the box, then press the "Create page" button. Be sure to add this template to the top of the page while it is formatted etc: <nowiki>{{Underconstruction}}</nowiki>. I will leave our welcome template on your user-talk page because it contains a lot of useful links to help you get the hang of wiki editing, but feel free to ask for additional assistance when needed.--[[User:Sahabah|Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 04:29, 10 December 2012 (PST)
::hi Nahar, good to see you here. I'm the person who responded to your email. Nahar had sent the following email ([http://www.debunkingbucailleism.blogspot.com blog]):

{{Quote||Hello,

I am interested in studying different religions, although personally I'm not religious; I am a Deist.
I came across scientific miracle claims in the Qur'an in early 2011. I soon came across your website,
and inspired by it, I have started my own blog refuting the claims of Islamic Bucailleists: www.debunkingbucailleism.blogspot.com

The articles refuting miracle claims are very good, but there are too few of them, hence I'd like to contribute.

Sincerely,
Nahar Varma}}

::Nahar, today I'll go over your site and then comment here.--[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 05:25, 10 December 2012 (PST)
:::Ok, Nahar, I guess you will have to go over [[Islam and Science]] yourself and see if your arguments are already present there or in one of the sub-articles. You would start from your first article (written in September, when you started the blog). I liked what you had in this post [http://www.debunkingbucailleism.blogspot.com/2012/09/three-criteria-for-scientific.html Three Criteria for Scientific Foreknowledge]. I see some of that has been covered in our Islam and Science introduction (we have 4 points and you have 3).
:::My suggestion: The steps for you would be to go over what we have on our site and get an idea of the types of pages we have and then go to your blog one by one and see where you can add your content. We may not have some topics that you have. Then for example after checking the articles for September, you see that some stuff should be added on our site, let us know what you think you should do. The language should of course be changed to 3rd person. Sorry I could not give a detailed/helpful analysis of what should be done but I'm pressed for time. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 21:04, 11 December 2012 (PST)

== Criticisms of other religions Wiki ==

Does your group or any group that you know of plan or have a Wiki devoted to criticisms of each major religion in the world?

[[Special:Contributions/97.85.168.22|97.85.168.22]] 17:49, 25 April 2013 (PDT)
:No we don't. The closest I can think of is [http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page rational wiki] (See [http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Category:Religion Category:Religion]) but their focus is wide and not specifically on religion. I dont know of any other wikis that criticize other religions. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 17:55, 25 April 2013 (PDT)

While "WikiIslam is a community edited website which focuses on the critique of Islam" and while this site claims that most editors are truly atheists and agnosts and policies and content of this site reflect that "editors are advised that no region should be given priority over another", I suggest too: Would be a huge evidence of that to have critique of Islam by its similarities to Judaism and Christianity. Otherwise critique to Islam may fail, to collapse only into contradictory and hypocrisy. I suggest that this site includes on main page a region of that area and there articles of similarities of one god, attitude to women, attitude to gays, jesus as prophet of both, attitudes towards other religions and religious free people. There is in bible too marriage of Abraham with his half-sister or niece Sarah, father having sex ang gettin children with his daughters (Lot with his daughters in Genesis 19:33) and it is not condemned in bible - moreover there are over 10 stories of incestuous relationships in the bible. A critique that Islam is just one version of Abrahamic religions and very similar, would be very informative addition to this site. This site should make more clear statement on the main page, whether this site is objectively or subjectively critiq to islam. Is this site critiqs from other religion beliefs or from free of religions people to islam? Personally I think that religious people that criticize other religions of same things that their own religion does, are deep in un-credibility. --[[User:Oneofusall|Oneofusall]] ([[User talk:Oneofusall|talk]]) 05:39, 6 July 2015 (PDT)
:We stay away from criticizing (or praising in any way) other religions because we would not want to alienate various segments of the site visitors. Islam has a lot of issues on its own and people are free to investigate other religions from other sources. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 19:10, 8 July 2015 (PDT)

== help needed to build new article==

hi. who is admin of this site? if i want to build new article, can you help me ? [[User:Yahoo|Yahoo]] ([[User talk:Yahoo|talk]]) 08:04, 21 May 2013 (PDT)
:Hi Yahoo. Welcome to WikiIslam! There are many administrators/editors. I am one of them and will help in any way I can. Have a read through the [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Policies_and_Guidelines policies]. When you're ready you can [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Help:Contents#How_to_Create_a_New_Page create a page here] or use a sandbox ([[User:Yahoo/Sandbox]]).[[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 10:05, 21 May 2013 (PDT)
::thanks. can anyone make cite web and book like wikipedia ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cite_web & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cite_book

and can someone give me classical islamic history book(ibn sa`d, tabari, waqedi, etc) and tafsir(tabari, etc) in english text ? i don't have them. [[User:Yahoo|Yahoo]] ([[User talk:Yahoo|talk]]) 11:33, 21 May 2013 (PDT)

how i can link to external web sites ? [[User:Yahoo|Yahoo]] ([[User talk:Yahoo|talk]]) 11:49, 21 May 2013 (PDT)
:hi Yahoo, we do have a [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Cite_web Cite web] and its used in a few articles but I still need to change its output format (its input format will still be identical to Wikipedia). We have a [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Template:Reference_archive reference archive] template but it only works with [http://www.webcitation.org/ WebCite]. I would say, use WebCite and use the reference archive template for now. Examples of use can be seen on the template page or in any of the [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Reference_archive usage] links.

:We can provide some sources later on. What kind of articles do you plan on making?

:You can get online Tafsirs from sites like http://www.altafsir.com/ and quote them using the [[Template:Quote|quote]] template.
:The article you made will need to have its headings capitalized. I think its a good idea. It will take time to look for all the links because there are so many and new ones are coming up all the time. I think if a fair number of links can be collected, the article can be presentable. Good luck with its completion. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 16:56, 21 May 2013 (PDT)
:#Qur'an in English: [http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/ this] site provides 34 compared English translations, and [http://iknowledge.islamicnature.com/quran/surah/1/lang/englishliteral/ this] site provides the English literal translation
:#Hadiths in English: [http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/ Compendium of Muslim Texts], and [http://www.searchtruth.com/hadith_books.php this] site includes a few narrations that have been removed from the Compendium.
:#Tafsirs in English: [http://www.theholybook.org/content/section/1/2/ ], [http://www.altafsir.com/Ibn-Abbas.asp ], [http://www.altafsir.com/Al-Jalalayn.asp ] and [http://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=1 ].
:#Sira literature: [http://www.justislam.co.uk/images/Ibn%20Ishaq%20-%20Sirat%20Rasul%20Allah.pdf ] and [http://www.soebratie.nl/religie/hadith/IbnSad.html].
:#Fiqh: [http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.islamicbulletin.com/free_downloads/resources/reliance_complete.pdf&date=2011-03-16 ] and [http://bewley.virtualave.net/Risalatitl.html ].
:#Fatwa websites in English: [http://islamqa.info/en ] and [http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/ ]. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 19:35, 21 May 2013 (PDT)

==Scientific Method==

A publicly editable web page purports that Alhazen was the father of modern scientific method. Though he may have made some advances in optics, I do not believe this is true. I am interested in improving the page. Who might be a more accurate figure of the same or earlier era, who contributed significantly to the development of scientific method? [[User:Devraj|Devraj]] ([[User talk:Devraj|talk]]) 20:28, 4 July 2013 (PDT)
:Hi Devraj. I did a quick Google search and could not find such a page. Anyhow, you can work on an article here: [[User:Devraj/Sandbox]]. This particular page is a response to a specific publication, so any article on Alhazen will have to be separate from it. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 20:46, 4 July 2013 (PDT)
Hi Sahabah,
The page I'm referring to is Wikipedia's "Scientific Method" page. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method].I would appreciate any link to a source that shows that scientific experimentation was undertaken by those other than muslims who lived in the similar era as Alhazen. Other sources I read say the Christian world came up with true scientific method, but I cannot find the specific example(s) of those persons who supposedly did these experiments prior to Alhazen.
:If you look at the talk page for Wikipedia's Alhazen article[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alhazen#Misuse_of_sources], you'll see a lot of the claims are disputed because [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam,_Science_and_the_Problems_at_Wikipedia Jagged 85] was a big contributor of the information there. We have our hub page concerning the "[http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Golden_Age Golden Age]", but other than that, we would suggest going to the [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/ FFI forum] if you have any questions. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 11:04, 5 July 2013 (PDT)

== Concerned about Security, IP Address Tracing etc. ==

I'm becoming increasingly active in restoring the historical truth to various Wikipedia pages which were hijacked by Islamists. I am concerned as to whether it would be possible for someone to trace my IP address or my computer, and harm me. Are either of these a valid concern? If so I suppose I can be entirely safe by making my Wikipedia edits from a library or other public computer and public internet connection? {{unsigned|‎Devraj}}
:Its safe to get a username and edit from the username (just make sure you're logged in all the time) from any computer (home or elsewhere). Good luck. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 15:06, 19 July 2013 (PDT)
Please check out this article[http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/andrewkantor/2004-06-17-kantor_x.htm ] - one among many - that indicates that it is quite possible for someone with ill intent to track the source of online activity. Why should I not be concerned about this?
:That is basically an alarmist article. There's about 30-50K active editors on Wikipedia (more than 5 edits in the last 30 days) at any given time. Unless there's illegal activity (real threats of violence for example) there's no tracking and even then only authorities can access that tracking information. Wikipedia admins do have access (I think) if they have the checkuser right but its a small number of admins who do and they dont misuse that data. If you still have questions you can ask on Wikipedia or another internet forum. There are many editors editing Wikipedia with the alternate point of view about Islam, Unless an editor does something really illegal (terrorist threat or something) their identity is not and cannot be known. Again make sure you're logged on (important, otherwise your IP address will be recorded in that page's history). IP addresses can be known to admins but to trace that address to a real person requires a police permit and so on, which is only given if its an extreme case (e.g. violence, as I mentioned). To be safe, always do a "preview" on an edit before you submit it, to make sure your login is still active (sometimes the login goes inactive if the edit window was open for a long time). If you stay logged in, dont do anything illegal you'll be safe. Maybe [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=500&hideliu=1 this] link might help - lots of people editing with IPs without any care, however again if you are concerned, you can make sure you are logged in and it will not be public. Once again, you should visit internet IT forums or ask Wikipedia for assistance for further clarifying these things. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 17:05, 19 July 2013 (PDT)
Thank you! That helps.

== Indian female convert to Islam killed by Taliban (Islam in the news) ==

Hi. I wanted to share the news of the recent killing of an Indian social worker Sushmita Banerjee (later Syeda Kamal) by the Taliban. She had married an Afghan in the 80's. When she went to Afghanistan, she found out that he was already married. Then after facing oppression under the Taliban there, she fled but her in-laws recaptured her. She decided to do social work in Afghanistan but was recently executed by the Taliban who said "why did you write nasty things about us?"
Is there a way I contribue to the "Islam in the news" section?--[[User:Mahomet|Mahomet]] ([[User talk:Mahomet|talk]]) 22:45, 8 September 2013 (PDT)

<ref>{{cite news |url=http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-09-06/india/41832545_1_suspected-taliban-militants-afghan-police-afghanistan |title=Indian author Sushmita Banerjee killed in Afghanistan by Taliban |date=September 6, 2013 |newspaper=Times of India}}</ref>
<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/05/sushmita-banerjee-killed-taliban_n_3874734.html |title= Sushmita Banerjee, Female Indian Author, Killed By Taliban |newspaper=Huffington Post}}</ref>
<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/why-did-you-write-nasty-things-taliban-militants-reportedly-asked-sushmita-banerjee-before-killing-h-415758 |title=Why did you write nasty things, Taliban militants reportedly asked Sushmita Banerjee before killing her |date=September 07, 2013}}</ref>

{{reflist}}
:If you look at the contribs for [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Al-Qaum Al-Qaum], you can see stuff is added first to the [[Islam in the News]] page and then to the [[WikiIslam:Latest News]]. Please follow the formats (small amount of text from the news site, link formats, heading should reflect the news source etc). --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 10:10, 9 September 2013 (PDT)
::It's already been added to ''Islam in the News'' by Al-Qaum. See [[Islam in the News#Afghanistan: Militants shoot dead the Indian author of a popular book about her escape from the Taliban|here]]. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 12:27, 9 September 2013 (PDT)
:::Ohh, great! You guys are really international and stay on top of things. :) --[[User:Mahomet|Mahomet]] ([[User talk:Mahomet|talk]]) 20:32, 12 September 2013 (PDT)
::::Thanks Mahomet! [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 23:16, 12 September 2013 (PDT)

== Add option to "submit your testimony"? ==

I would like to submit my testimony to this page http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:Form/newapostate

Under "current worldview", can you add the option of Bahá’í?—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Golconda|Golconda]] ([[User talk:Golconda|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Golconda|contribs]]) {{#if:19:57, 16 March 2014 | 19:57, 16 March 2014 |}} ([[WikiIslam:Signatures#Signing_Posts|Remember to sign your comments]]) 
:Hi Golconda. Just submit your testimony and we'll add that for you. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 20:07, 16 March 2014 (PDT)

== The Islamic Golden Age referenced on the Wikipedia article on "humans" ==

Without any citations, the "Islamic Golden Age" myth was added to other contributions during the Middle Ages.

"The late Middle Ages saw the rise of revolutionary ideas and technologies. In China, an advanced and urbanized society promoted innovations and sciences, such as printing and seed drilling. In India, major advancements were made in mathematics, philosophy, religion and metallurgy. The Islamic Golden Age saw major advancements in mathematics, astronomy, optics, biology, medicine, art and architecture in Muslim empires."

Whatever "Muslim advances" (should say Persian advances!) there were was from conquering places. This appears to represent something debunked in the 1001 inventions page. Basically, they list more advances for Muslims than for China... what a joke.

Maybe add a "citation needed" and delete most of the tags.
Muslims contributed to basically nothing except some math and astronomy.

What disgusts me is that it calls those inventions "Muslim" but later talks about globalization and the information age as if it weren't "Western".

Care to fix this with me? [[Special:Contributions/50.187.216.93|50.187.216.93]] 23:05, 16 June 2014 (PDT)
:I personally don't have enough time to do anything on Wikipedia (too much to do and its hard to maintain it with them contantly fighting to keep away anything truthful about Islam) but someone else might. This certain article [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age] doesnt look too long so it shouldnt be too hard to fix. I would suggest add the citation needed tag where you want to and wait a week before you remove those statements with a comment "removing unsourced statements. Had previously left in the Citation needed tag. Use talk page before restoring any statements". Relevant to this might be this article on our site [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_Science_and_the_Problems_at_Wikipedia]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 01:20, 17 June 2014 (PDT)
:: Great Idea. I'll go for it. [[Special:Contributions/50.187.216.93|50.187.216.93]] 12:37, 19 June 2014 (PDT)
:::I didnt look at it in detail but I think in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islamic_Golden_Age&diff=prev&oldid=613602760 this] edit over there, you will most likely have to defend removal of references / referenced information.
:::Its very difficult to clean up the mess created by the Muslim editor Jagged85 (he had 60K or 80K edits, most of which were intentionally misleading as their [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_Science_and_the_Problems_at_Wikipedia investigation] showed). What you may be seeing or dealing with may be some of his work. The references will have to be checked. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 19:14, 19 June 2014 (PDT)

== Purpose of this website==

I am personally a Christian, but I have some sympathy for Islam, as I have many Muslim friends who have been quite helpful to me over the years. I have shown them respect, and they have reciprocated. I do not pretend to know what is best for others, any more than I enjoy others pretending to know what is best for myself. I was wondering, is this site meant to ultimately be purely scientific, letting the facts fall where they may, or is it meant to be biased against Islam, preferring to portray views that denigrate Islam whenever possible or convenient? Thanks, [[User:Scottperry|Scottperry]] ([[User talk:Scottperry|talk]]) 12:55, 23 June 2014 (PDT)
:There's a verse in the Quran, 5:38 that says a thief's hands should be cut off. Islam cannot be reformed. If one verse is to be rejected then the whole Quran can be rejected.
:This site focuses on criticism of Islam. You can have a good look around first. Start from the [[site map]].
:Being biased against Islam is not a bad thing or something to be ashamed of because Islam itself is biased against non-Muslims like me and you since it says we will all burn in Hell for not accepting it (Quran 48:13). Your Muslim friends may be nice people but if they think a thief's hands should not be cut off (Quran 5:38), if they think a wife should not be beaten for disobedience (Quran 4:34), if they dont believe that virgins in Heaven are large breasted (Quran 78:33) then they are not really Muslims and are not believing in actual Quranic verses. They are choosing to reject those verses or defend them in some way.
:But do tell us what can be done differently or if you have any suggestions. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 15:20, 23 June 2014 (PDT)
::Thanks for your frankness. I think I'll try to insert the full edit, along with cites, that I first started to work on, and see what happens. Regarding hand-chopping, there are verses in the Bible that say homosexuals, disobedient sons, and adulterers should all be killed, and Jesus supposedly said that not a "jot" of the Bible should be disregarded, but just the same, modern-day Christianity ''has'' opted to reject those verses, yet to keep others, and still continues to be a major influence in the world. Christianity has adapted significantly over the centuries, and much of it for the better. It's had a 700 year head-start over Islam. There are also verses in the Quran that say that there is hope for non-Muslims to enter heaven. As with the Bible, both books are filled with contradictions. Personally, as a Christian, I pick and choose which parts resonate with me, and which don't. I think that whether or not most other Christians would admit it, they all do that too. How many Christians do you know these days that stone all of those "evil-doers" as mentioned above?
::At any rate, I don't know if I'll be a very good "fit" here, but I'll try a few edits and see what happens. My "debt" to Islam, as a Christian, is that no less than twice, my life was literally saved by Muslims! Don't ask me why, I couldn't say. So long as you guys are fundamentally honest about your criticisms against Islam here, which we shall see, I shall be happy to contribute here. Thanks, [[User:Scottperry|Scottperry]] ([[User talk:Scottperry|talk]]) 19:32, 23 June 2014 (PDT)
:::Ok. Well that is all good stuff for debate.
:::So for your edit [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Muslim_Statistics&diff=107924&oldid=101364] you would first add it on the Education page (possibly Worldwide section here [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Education_and_Employment#Worldwide]) and after that the main Statistics edit that you made can be restored. Stuff on that page is mentioned and sourced in the sub-pages. You'll notice though that all the stuff in these Stats pages is quotes -- and I think thats a problem (for this reason I think the addition will be a challenge). But as long as what you put in cannot be disputed or challenged it could be fine so the more sources you can add the better. Yea try it and we'll see how it looks. In this case case you would need to provide proof that these named countries were really under the influence of soviet communism as Muslims would challenge that and say "those countries did it on their own". This is the kind of sourcing we use and its important as you can see. Another to thing to check is how "far" other Muslim countries are from the high literacy rates (the ones that were not influenced by soviet communism). --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 20:04, 23 June 2014 (PDT)
::::Another opinion, of course there are good Muslims but in how is it because of Islam and how does that help Islam? They are just good as humans. All Muslims need not be hateful or believing in each and every verse of the Quran but their uproach is still cultist. They will keep considering Islam as superior and us as trasshy. Ask your Muslim friends to prove our site (or other sites) wrong. [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 07:04, 24 June 2014 (PDT)
:::::At Scottperry: Actually, the reason why Christians do not stone people is because Jesus stopped an adulteress from being stoned by saying "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone." And as for the "not a "jot" of the Bible should be disregarded", you ignore the bit straight after that sentence where he says "until everything is accomplished" (when he dies, he then says "It is finished"). For a "Christian" you sure do talk about/understand Christianity like a Muslim apologist would. These are exactly the same talking points they try to use as [[Tu Quoque]] arguments to shut down criticism. Unfortunately for them, and for you, a simple reading of the text shows your error. This is also where Christianity and Islam differ. Sure, Christian beliefs have changed with the times, but that did ''not'' take place by (as you suggest) Christians waking up one day and saying, "I don't like this part of the Bible, let's ignore it." It happened through the ability of reformers to successfully argue a theologically sound case for why Christians should stop certain things. Muslim reformers however do not have a leg to stand on. All the theologically sound arguments come from the terrorists. Let me quote this:
:::::"'''Chronological Shift in Violence'''

:::::''This is one of the most important factors to take into consideration. If you are going to criticize a holy book for what you believe it advocates to its followers, then you must read the text like a believer would. If a book contains a large amount of violence in it but finishes by telling its readers in the second half of the book to be pacifists and behave like cute little bunny rabbits, does it advocate violence or pacifism? Of course, the answer is that it advocates pacifism. Likewise if a book begins by describing pacifism but finishes by telling its readers to "slay the unbelievers wherever you find them", that book logically advocates violence.''

:::::''All of the "positive" violence committed in the Bible is found in the Old Testament. The New Testament contains absolutely no exhortations to violence. Quite the opposite, Jesus advocates extreme pacifism. Christians believe they are a part of the "New Covenant" described in the New Testament , not the Old Covenant described in the Old Testament.''

:::::''Muslims do not have an "old" or "new" covenant to filter their text through. However, what they do have is something very similar, it is the doctrine of Abrogation, where later Qur'anic verse naturally supersede earlier ones. This would be fine if like the Bible all the violence was confined to the beginning, but this is not the case. Don't take my word for it. Read the Qur'an in chronological order and the shift from pacifism to violence is unmissable. This results in rendering almost all of the peaceful verses abrogated and useless.''" [http://islamo-criticism.blogspot.com/2012/03/is-bible-more-bloodthirsty-than-quran.html (Link)]

::::: Concerning your "Christianity has had a 700 year head-start over Islam" logic, that is a ridiculous way of thinking. Sikhism is only about five hundred years old, so according to your logic, today they should be behaving like European Neanderthals from the early middle-ages. In addition to that, according to your logic, we should be apologizing for these hypothetical Neanderthals and making excuses for them. The evolution of religious believers does not happen like that. Religions generally conform in some degree to the more liberal morals of their times. The fact that the 700 years newer religion of Islam made a regression in morals when compared to Christianity should be all you need to know of its founder and the general spirit of its texts. Interestingly, the Baha'i Faith is a 19th century offshoot of Islam. Since Islam has had 1,000+ years head-start, shouldn't Baha'is be going around invading other countries in order to spread their newer religion, subjugating its people and destroying religious institutions belong to its previous occupants? That isn't happening, but guess what? There is a religion at this very moment cleansing the remaining religious minorities wherever it is dominant, and it ain't the Baha'is or Christians. And about those "verses in the Quran that say that there is hope for non-Muslims to enter heaven," that's total apologetic nonsense. Read this:

:::::"''There are many verses in the Qur'an that label Christians and Jews as disbelievers, and numerous more that explicitly condemn them and other disbelievers to Hell. There is scholarly consensus on the fact that Christians and Jews are viewed by Islam as kafirs, because of "the clear nature of the texts about this".''

:::::''If you read verse 2:62 in context, it is referring only to those Christians, Jews, and Sabiens who believed in the time of their own Prophet/Messenger.''

:::::''Each Revelation abrogated the previous. Thus, after the advent of Prophet Muhammad and Islam, no individual can make it into Paradise unless they accept Allah as God, Muhammad as his last Prophet and the Qur'an as Allah's final book of guidance.''

:::::''Therefore, the concept of Heavenly rewards in Islam are now exclusively offered to Muslims. Christians and Jews may believe in a single monotheistic god, but they do not believe in "His Messenger". Thus they are destined for the "burning fire".''

:::::''Additionally, the non-Muslims who do make it into Paradise will only be used as sex-slaves by believing men, Muslims who themselves will be spared hell-fire by Allah on the Day of Resurrection by making innocent Christians and Jews take their place and be thrown into Hell.''" [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Christians_Jews_and_Muslims_in_Heaven (Link)] [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 15:02, 8 August 2014 (PDT)

== Inspired by Muhammad: Dog Hadiths ==

Hello. I looked at the links to the Hadiths concerning killing dogs and restricting to killing black dogs from this page: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Inspired_by_Muhammad#Killing_Dogs

It seems that the links do not take you to the hadiths you are quoting. Maybe the site was updated or whoever created the page made a mistake. I thought you should know.

Specifically, it's the Sahih Muslim 16:2840 and Sahih Muslim 16:2839.

I think the hadiths are Abu-Dawud: http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/abudawud/016-sat.php [[User:Paul99|Paul99]] ([[User talk:Paul99|talk]]) 5:18, 27 August 2014 (GMT)
: Number 5248 in that [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Inspired_by_Muhammad#Killing_Dogs section] you mentioned has a valid link. What specific quotes have broken links? --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 03:53, 29 August 2014 (PDT)

It was the bottom two hadiths under "The Black Dog is a Devil". Sahih Muslim 16:2840 and Sahih Muslim 16:2839 do not lead to the hadiths quoted, but I found the hadiths in their entirety in Abu-Dawud. You can find them at the top of the page here: http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/abudawud/016-sat. I believe that the two Hadith collections were mixed up in the post.[[User:Paul99|Paul99]] ([[User talk:Paul99|talk]]) 20:11, 30 August 2014 (GMT)
:Oh ok, yea I see it now. I fixed those now [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Inspired_by_Muhammad#The_Black_Dog_is_a_Devil]. Thanks! --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 15:58, 30 August 2014 (PDT)

SerUm, I checked and it still says and goes to Sahih MMuslim. [User:Paul99|Paul99]] ([[User talk:Paul99|talk]]) 16:25, 31 August 2014 (GMT)
:Nope, it should be fixed. Check [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Inspired_by_Muhammad&diff=109583&oldid=98757#The_Black_Dog_is_a_Devil this]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 10:05, 31 August 2014 (PDT)

Sorry. My mistake. My computer wasn't working correctly or something. I see it now. :) [User:Paul99|Paul99]] ([[User talk:Paul99|talk]]) 1:51, 1 September 2014 (GMT)

== Website organization ==

Hi, i would like firstly to thank you for the great work. This site helped me a lot during my years of doubt about islam. And i ll give you some feedback from a reader's perspective :
* I think the site has a lot of good articles but it needs more organisation. Maybe making Portals shoud be added to the tasks. For example for islam and science, a Portal would be much more useful than the core article or the unergonomic site Map. In the islam and science portal for example we should find two sections: refutations of quran's miracles like big bang, embryology etc.. and for embryology for example there should be a "subsection" where all the articles should be listed History of embryology, embryology in jewish scriptures, in the quran , in the quran and the hadith... and another section for scientific errors in quran and hadith. Same goes fr other portals.
* About the sources of the quran and hadith, when i was muslim i had to recheck every islamic quote wrote here in its arabic version (my faith made me do it) and it would be better i guess if there was this possibility to see the arabic version just next to the reference.
* I'm gonna try to start translating some articles in French and maybe arabic if i have the time to do it.
Cheers --[[User:Einstein reason|ArabSagan]] ([[User talk:Einstein reason|talk]]) 08:49, 8 October 2014 (PDT)
*I prefer a template to portal for all the scientific errors and abrogations but who will bell the cat? New editors are not allowed to edit mainspace. Axius is too busy for long long time and nothing is getting reviewed. Your blank confession will also stay like that. Yes French translations are welcome. Our message must get to France and the whole of French West Africa. [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 13:08, 8 October 2014 (PDT)

::Hi. I'm happy to hear you found this site useful. Concerning your queries:
::A)

:*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Islam This] is the Islam Portal on Wikipedia, and [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Science this] is the Islam and Science Core article on WikiIslam. Looking at them both (and leaving aside our Site Map for the moment), I do not see how a Wikipedia style portal would help people find articles quicker than our Core articles. The Wikipedia portals quite frankly are a mess. There appears little order to them or a clear method for new readers to easily find material they are after. Conversely, the TOC on Core articles make it very easy to find articles. And this site probably does not have enough articles per subject to justify a Wikipedia-style Portal which is engulfed in links all over the place (links which would probably require more energy for new readers to decipher, because they are embedded within walls of text).

:*Then there is the Site Map which you call "unergonomic". That surprises me a lot, since I cannot think of a more comfortable or easier way of navigating the entire site from a single page.

:*You suggest that we should create separate sections; one for Qur'an miracles etc., but we already have separate sections such as the ones you propose, e.g. one of them is indeed "Qur'an miracles".

:*There is no need to create a new embryology "subsection", because the embryology articles are already linked from a single heading (see [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Science#Embryology_in_Islamic_Scripture here]). We also do not have an "embryology in jewish scriptures" article. We have one that covers reproduction in general, and that is already linked very clearly beneath the "Embryology in Islamic Scripture" section.

::So that leaves a couple of things I'd like you to do:
::1. Please explain exactly how and why the enormous effort of replacing Core articles with Portals would be beneficial for us.
::2. Give us a better way that readers can explore the entire site from a single page.

::B) Concerning Arabic; most Muslims do not read, write or speak Arabic and this is a primarily English-language site that only uses trusted scholarly translations, so I don't see any urgency or major benefit from that. Would it be nice to have a link to Arabic versions of all sources? Probably, but it is not realistic. Where is an Arabic-speaking editor who is willing to find all of them and add them to 2,000+ articles (if each article has 50 refs, that makes at least 100,000 links)? Then where are the editors who will check each link for accuracy and maintain these same links from link rot? Like I said, it may be a nice idea, but it has little actual benefit and is not realistic. If an Arabic-speaker, does use the site, like yourself, it is probably best to let them find Arabic versions if they do not trust the English-language versions used by millions of English-speaking Muslims.

::I only see one certainty in trying to do this, and that is a negative one. By including links to Arabic versions in only a few articles, this would set up an arbitrary standard that should not exist i.e. someone can then read a perfectly referenced article and then claim, "But this one doesn't have links to Arabic like the other one did", and then discard all the referenced information they had just read.

::C) Translations are most welcome. I'm assuming you read those pages I provided you a while ago, but if you need further help, you can ask Axius or I (if I'm around) for help. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 13:46, 8 October 2014 (PDT)

==Arab inventions==

So.....arab inventions or innovations/improvements on already existing stuff doesn't matter? Sure some of the inventors could've been from other religions, but the fact remains they were all ARABS. I feel this article tries to discredit arab inventions no matter what faith they are. This is the same thing that happens in the US with black inventors, since they are a minority their inventions get attributed to whites no matter what.
:Are you talking about [[How Islamic Inventors Did Not Change The World]]? The article is about claims made for "Islamic inventors", not Arab or non-Arab. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 10:16, 27 November 2014 (PST)
::Assuming the anon is being genuine and not simply trying to disguise an incorrect statement within a question, I would also be very interested in knowing what article they are referring to. None of what is written by our editors try to deny Arab contributions to science. In fact we make a point of mentioning that Arabs, just like every other ethnic group on this planet, have provided the world with their fair share of scientific advances. And depending on the anon's level of ignorance (and whatever article they may be referring to), even the statement that "the fact remains they were all ARABS," may be incorrect. For example, many Egyptians, Lebanese, Iranians, Syrians, etc., may speak Arabic in some form or another, but they are not ethnically Arab, nor do they consider themselves as Arabs. In fact, many of them view being called an Arab a personal insult. That hasn't stopped Islamic propagandists from depicting them as such. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 19:21, 27 November 2014 (PST)

== Editing the description of the website. ==

I ve been using wiki-islam's links when debating online, specially the"quran, hadith and scholars" pages. And always the first response is: wikiislam is an anti-islam website so they are lying (aka using fake data) , until i tell them that they can check the authenticity of the quotes with clicking on the references. So if that was said in the description under the title of the articles, it will be a good thing for the credibility of th website.
Also i'm sure this have been already discussed but i think that you should avoid using usc's database since you know how muslims are untrustful of anything that is related to jews, but i don't know what are your options or if it is easy to fix.

:''"anything that is related to jews"'' - Sounds like an attempt for us to stop using a reliable source so the content can become less reliable. The reliability is explained on the wiki page [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Compendium_of_Muslim_Texts]. Assuming the inquiry is genuine:
:During the debate did you investigate how true this claim is? People will use any excuse they can. The 3 Quran translations are well known and the hadiths are from Bukhari, Muslim and others (6 hadith collections). Ask them if they know of any reliable Quran/hadith websites. The answer is usually "Just ignore all the websites. Consult with a real Islamic scholar" which we know is a cop-out.
:No data on our site is fake. You can search any hadith/verse and find the exact quotes on many other websites. The USC database was chosen because it was hosted on an educational institution's server and additional reasons are mentioned on that wiki page I linked. It used to be the website for the MSA at that university originally and currently its the Muslim-engagement center website. That doesnt effect its reliability in any way. People are free to crosscheck the hadiths and verses on other websites.
:''"until i tell them that they can check the authenticity of the quotes with clicking on the references"'' - they are visiting a website and a website is supposed to have links by default. People dont need to be told that they should click the links on a page. When someone claims a website has fake information you should challenge that statement because you know that in this case that is a false statement that has no basis. You will get better in debate with time. Additional information about the sources is in our [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Frequently_Asked_Questions#Sources_Used FAQ]. The FAQ page is linked on every page on the left. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 11:52, 2 December 2014 (PST)

== "Jihad is Perpetual" subtopic has bad link ==

I was looking at the "Jihad is Perpetual" subtopic of [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Fighting Non-Muslims]] and tried to navigate to the link to Sunan Abu Dawud Chapter 14, hadith 2526 specified there. However, it appears that USC has removed the Jihad chapter from Sunan Abu Dawud, and the link goes to Chapter 13 on fasting instead.

I did find a working link to this hadith at Sunnah.com though. It is here:
http://sunnah.com/abudawud/15/8

Oddly, that hadith number is 2484, so there seems to be inconsistent hadith numbering scheme between what's specified in the wikiislam link and the one at sunnah.com. The convention used at sunnah.com seems to match up with the translation I have by Nasiruddin al-Khattab.
:Indeed you are right, it is not there anymore. I have it in my local copy so yes it was removed from their website. Not sure what to do right now so I'm just going to add this to on our tasks page for now. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 14:04, 14 March 2015 (PDT)

==New article==
Help ! I would like to create a new article. I don't see it. It's always in the sandbox.
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Sandbox/Unreliable_hadeeths
--[[User:Dare4|Dare4]] ([[User talk:Dare4|talk]]) 13:43, 14 March 2015 (PDT)
:Not sure what you are asking for. Can you clarify further? --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 13:57, 14 March 2015 (PDT)

::Hi Dare4. Have you actually looked at the state of the page you created? What would make you think it's okay to take it out of the sandbox and put it in our mainspace looking like that? I've deleted that page anyhow. We already have a page that covers all those and many more (see [[List of Fabricated Hadith|here]]). Use the Site map or search function to avoid such a situation in the future. Please also read and follow the directions on [[WikiIslam:Message to New Users]] before making any further contributions. Thanks. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 15:26, 14 March 2015 (PDT)

== Question about Islamic Texts ==

Has anybody ever combined the Qur'an, Hadith, and Ishaq/Tabari into a single, chronologically ordered document?
: As far as I know it hasnt been done. I think the problem is that there's no knowledge of what happened when, so there could be a lot of variation and no one could say that their version of events is right. Maybe if someone only used important events for which they definitely knew the dates they could try. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 17:12, 18 August 2015 (PDT)--[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 17:12, 18 August 2015 (PDT)

== What about more "responses to apologists" ? ==

I am writing this as a confused muslim. You know,there are lots of islamic websites,they have thousands of "rebuttals to islamic critics" and just a few anti islamic ones against them.So when muslims come across an argument against islam, they think "well,im sure someone has already refutted this,so lets not worry about it." It seems like that "Critics of islam have all said what is to be said against islam,but apologists refutted them all,so there is nothing left to say." Probably that is what apologists think or try to prove.Considering these,I have a suggestion.I think you should have more "responses to apologists",so that we,as readers,can decide more reasonably which side is more plausible and you can be more "convincing" that way.Thank you.
:I fully agree these sections are very important especially for often debated topics. See [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Frequently_Asked_Questions#Can_someone_do_XYZ.2C_create.2Fedit_an_article_for_me.3F this] about requests like this. [[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]]) 18:30, 2 February 2016 (EST)

== On the subject of Islam and Chess ==

The Wikislam entry is deceptive and innaccurate.
"Many worried chess would be banned by the "Qur'an" an Islamic law banning gambling. Chess become very popular after their theologians decided that chess playing wasn't contrary to the teachings of Mohammed. This decision took about 100 years and illustrates the curious power of a simple game. After the official decision that there was no harm in chess, the Moslems created a greatly detailed literature about it."

The Islamic prophet Mohammed did not say Chess was forbidden, a ccording to a Hadith (not Qu'ran) he is said to have compared dice to eating pork, because it was gambling.
Not Chess. The Hadiths are not official Islamic doctrine.
Furthermore, Chess was actually invented by the Moors in Spain, earlier versions bore little resemblance to the present game as we know it.
There are no real pre-Islamic artifacts attributable to "Chess" just as there is no evidence of the Kingdom of someone named "David".
In fact, 15th to 17th century Christians said the same thing about the game of chess as Muslims, that it is harmless unless it consumes an inordinate amount of one's time.
Also, there is no evidence that Zoroastrians rather tham Muslims developed the game in early Persia.
I have to say, I read wikislam and get the overwhelming impression that, rather than a scholarly site meant to serve as a source of accurate info on Islam, that it is a polemic endeavor, a hostile, agenda-driven vehicle...not just in the various glaring innaccuracies, but in the general tone and often unscholarly asides.
I am not a Muslim, but I consider it churlish to falsely represent a religion in a negative way. It's un-American. And most people would agree with me.

== ALL LINKS TO VERSES @ usc.edu ARE DEAD ==

ALL LINKS TO VERSES @ usc.edu ARE DEAD. Either a new site must be found, or a possible solution might be to link to an archived version of the pages through one (or more) of the following:

http://'''webcache.googleusercontent.com'''/search?q=cache: [original URL]

https://'''web.archive.org'''/web/*/ [original URL]

http://'''archive.is'''/ [original URL]

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