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	*There is no way to get 145 occurrences of the words "life" nor "death", because there are less than 145 derived nouns. So in order to get 145, nouns and verbs would have to be counted together. This still would not change the fact that the words "life" and "death" do not appear the same number of times.		*There is no way to get 145 occurrences of the words "life" nor "death", because there are less than 145 derived nouns. So in order to get 145, nouns and verbs would have to be counted together. This still would not change the fact that the words "life" and "death" do not appear the same number of times.
	**Using a ~~consisten~~ method of counting for this "meaning word count ~~mirtacle~~", that is counting words with a similar meaning, would produce 165 occurrences for "death" because all the words from the root موت have something to do with death or dying.		**Using a consistent method of counting for this "meaning word count miracle", that is counting words with a similar meaning, would produce 165 occurrences for "death" because all the words from the root موت have something to do with death or dying.
	*Given the diversity of word forms for either of the two words, there perhaps exist hundreds of possible arbitrary permutations one could choose from to do the word count. That some count definitions produce interesting results is thus unremarkable. This is because with a greater number of permutations to pick from, the chance that an interesting outcome becomes possible increases (and is thus a less impressive, rare, or unlikely finding)		*Given the diversity of word forms for either of the two words, there perhaps exist hundreds of possible arbitrary permutations one could choose from to do the word count. That some count definitions produce interesting results is thus unremarkable. This is because with a greater number of permutations to pick from, the chance that an interesting outcome becomes possible increases (and is thus a less impressive, rare, or unlikely finding)

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	This article lists all occurrences of the words "life" and "death" in the Qur'an. The purpose is to analyze the claim that they both appear 145 times. It can also serve as a reference for people who want to know where the Qur'an speaks about life or death.		This article lists all occurrences of the words "life" and "death" in the Qur'an. The purpose is to analyze the claim that they both appear 145 times. It can also serve as a reference for people who want to know where the Qur'an speaks about life or death.

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	==Life==		==Life==
	The word "life" (الحياة, ''al-hayat'') is derived from the trilateral root حيي (h-y-y). In the Uthmani script, the writing style of the first Qur'anic manuscripts, it is not written like this الحياة (Simple Script), but like this ٱلْحَيَوٰةِ (Uthmani Script). This word count is complicated and it could not have been done in the English translation. This is because from the same root, there are many similar words derived and there is the verb "to give-life" which is translated into English as two words, including the word "life" itself, although in Arabic it is just one verb and the noun "life" itself is not present. When the English Qur'an says that Allah gives life to someone, then literally, he "lifes" him. It could be also translated as "resurrects". All verbs will be described as "verb" in the "Word class" column. Also there are words like "the alive" and "the living" referring to "living people" and they don't mean "life" itself (you can also notice they are written differently in Arabic). There are also 2 words translated as "life", but expressed with a slightly different word in Arabic, these words are also counted, but they are '''bold''' and can be easily excluded if we wanted not to count them.		The word "life" (الحياة, ''al-hayat'') is derived from the trilateral root حيي (h-y-y). In the Uthmani script, the writing style of the first Qur'anic manuscripts, it is not written like this الحياة (Simple Script), but like this ٱلْحَيَوٰةِ (Uthmani Script). This word count is complicated and it could not have been done in the English translation. This is because from the same root, there are many similar words derived and there is the verb "to give-life" which is translated into English as two words, including the word "life" itself, although in Arabic it is just one verb and the noun "life" itself is not present. When the English Qur'an says that Allah gives life to someone, then literally, he "lifes" him, using a single one-word transitive verb in Arabic. It could be also translated as "resurrects". All verbs will be described as "verb" in the "Word class" column. Also there are words like "the alive" and "the living" referring to "living people" and they don't mean "life" itself (you can also notice they are written differently in Arabic). There are also 2 words translated as "life", but expressed with a slightly different word in Arabic, these words are also counted, but they are '''bold''' and can be easily excluded if we wanted not to count them.

	~~Keep in mind that in~~ Arabic, pronouns like "them", "our", "her" are suffixed to the word and conjunctions like "and" or "for" are prefixed to the word. There is ~~even~~ a ''lam-'' (ل) prefix, translated as "surely". Also the subject "he", "she" is also in the word (verb) itself. So one Arabic word sometimes needs a lot of English words~~, when translated~~. English uses more ~~spaces between~~ words~~, while~~ Arabic ~~rather joins~~ the ~~words together. So don't be confused by~~ the ~~long translations~~.		In Arabic, pronouns like "them", "our", "her" are suffixed to the word and conjunctions like "and" or "for" are prefixed to the word. There is also a ''lam-'' (ل) prefix, translated as "surely" though it is written as one word with the following word in Arabic. Also the subject "he", "she" is also in the word (verb) itself. So one Arabic word sometimes needs a lot of English words for translation. English uses more individual words to express ideas (what linguists call an analytic language) whereas Quranic Arabic makes changes to the form of the word itslef more (what linguists call a synthetic language).

	This is the list of all the words derived from the root حيي in the Qur'an. Some of them have a totally different meaning. The word "life" is counted in the Translation column. Also, all the nouns derived from this root are counted in the "Word Class" column.		This is the list of all the words derived from the root حيي in the Qur'an. Some of them have a totally different meaning. The word "life" is counted in the Translation column. Also, all the nouns derived from this root are counted in the "Word Class" column.
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	~~As we can see, besides~~ the fact that there are only '''78 mentions''' of the word "life", there are only 114 nouns, so there is no possibility of finding 145 occurrences of the word "life", even ~~if we counted even~~ words like "snake" derived from the same root. ~~If we wanted to~~ get 145 words, ~~we would have to mix word counts~~ of nouns and verbs ~~together! Also we can see that there are~~ many words that are similar, but different, ~~so if we want to use some special counting method, then~~ there ~~are probably dozens, if not hundreds of such~~ combinations ~~one could~~ choose ~~arbitrarily~~ from.		Besides the fact that there are only '''78 mentions''' of the word "life", there are only 114 nouns, so there is no possibility of finding 145 occurrences of the word "life", even counting words like "snake" derived from the same trilateral root. To get 145 words, mixing the count of various nouns and verbs would be required. Using such ad hoc methods with many such words that are similar, but different, there would be many other combinations and "miracles" to choose from.

	The 78 mentions include words with prefixes and suffixes and these kind of words were often excluded in the word counts of those claiming this ~~was a~~ miracle ~~for other words~~, for the reason of not being "basic form" enough. Using this method here, then, there are even fewer occurrences.		The 78 mentions include words with prefixes and suffixes and these kind of words were often excluded in the word counts of those claiming this "word count miracle", for the reason of not being "basic form" enough. Using this method here, then, there are even fewer occurrences.

	==Death==		==Death==
	The word "death" (الموت, ''al-mawt'' or ''al-maout'') is derived from a trilateral root موت (m-w-t). Words derived from this root could be described similarly as the words from the root حيي (h-w-w). There is also the verb of "giving death" or "causing death" and words like "the dead" referring to dead people and not death itself. The difference here is that there are no words with a totally different meanings. All the words have something to to with death, dying or being dead. The word "kill" (''qatal'') is derived from a completely different root قتل (q-t-l). So translating the death-giving as killing might be misleading.		The word "death" (الموت, ''al-mawt'' or ''al-maout'') is derived from a trilateral root موت (m-w-t). Words derived from this root could be described similarly as the words from the root حيي (h-w-w). There is also the verb of "giving death" or "causing death" and words like "the dead" referring to dead people and not death itself from this root. The difference here is that there are no words with a totally different meanings. All the words have something to to with death, dying or being dead. The word "kill" (''qatal'') is derived from a completely different root قتل (q-t-l). So translating the death-giving as killing might be misleading.

	The list of all the words derived from the root موت (m-w-t) in the Qur'an:		The list of all the words derived from the root موت (m-w-t) in the Qur'an:
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	Here again, if ~~we count~~ all occurrences of nouns derived from the root موت~~, we cannot get~~ 145 occurrences, because there are only 104 nouns from this root in the Qur'an. And the word death appears '''56 times'''.		Here again, if counting all occurrences of nouns derived from the root موت does not produce 145 occurrences, because there are only 104 nouns from this root in the Qur'an. And the word "death" itself only appears '''56 times'''.

	==~~Conclusion~~==		==Summary==

	*~~If we count~~ all occurrences of the word "life" (''hayat''), including forms with prefixes and suffixes, ~~we get~~ 78 occurrences and for the word "death" (''mawt'') ~~we get~~ 56 occurrences.		*Counting all occurrences of the word "life" (''hayat''), including forms with prefixes and suffixes, there are 78 occurrences and for the word "death" (''mawt'') 56 occurrences.

	*There is no way to get 145 occurrences of the words "life" nor "death", because ~~when we look at all the words derived from the same roots as the two words, we see that~~ there are less than 145 derived nouns. So in order to get 145, nouns and verbs would have to be counted together. This still would not change the fact that the words "life" and "death" do not appear the same number of times.		*There is no way to get 145 occurrences of the words "life" nor "death", because there are less than 145 derived nouns. So in order to get 145, nouns and verbs would have to be counted together. This still would not change the fact that the words "life" and "death" do not appear the same number of times.
	**~~If that new~~ method of counting ~~is supposed to be~~ "meaning word count", that is counting words with a similar meaning, ~~then we~~ would ~~get~~ 165 occurrences for "death" because all the words from the root موت have something to do with death or dying.		**Using a consisten method of counting for this "meaning word count mirtacle", that is counting words with a similar meaning, would produce 165 occurrences for "death" because all the words from the root موت have something to do with death or dying.
	*Given the diversity of word forms for either of the two words, there perhaps exist hundreds of possible arbitrary permutations one could choose from to do the word count. ~~If one of these combinations produces an~~ interesting ~~result, this~~ is ~~an expect outcome~~. This is because with a greater number of permutations to pick from, the chance that an interesting outcome becomes possible increases (and is thus a less impressive, rare, or unlikely finding)		*Given the diversity of word forms for either of the two words, there perhaps exist hundreds of possible arbitrary permutations one could choose from to do the word count. That some count definitions produce interesting results is thus unremarkable. This is because with a greater number of permutations to pick from, the chance that an interesting outcome becomes possible increases (and is thus a less impressive, rare, or unlikely finding)

	==See also==		==See also==

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	This is the list of all the words derived from the root حيي in the Qur'an. Some of them have a totally different meaning. The word "life" is counted in the Translation column. Also, all the nouns derived from this root are counted in the "Word Class" column.		This is the list of all the words derived from the root حيي in the Qur'an. Some of them have a totally different meaning. The word "life" is counted in the Translation column. Also, all the nouns derived from this root are counted in the "Word Class" column.

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	As we can see, besides the fact that there are only '''78 mentions''' of the word "life", there are only 114 nouns, so there is no possibility of finding 145 occurrences of the word "life", even if we counted even words like "snake" derived from the same root. If we wanted to get 145 words, we would have to mix word counts of nouns and verbs together! Also we can see that there are many words that are similar, but different, so if we want to use some special counting method, then there are probably dozens, if not ~~hundereds~~ of such ~~methods~~.		As we can see, besides the fact that there are only '''78 mentions''' of the word "life", there are only 114 nouns, so there is no possibility of finding 145 occurrences of the word "life", even if we counted even words like "snake" derived from the same root. If we wanted to get 145 words, we would have to mix word counts of nouns and verbs together! Also we can see that there are many words that are similar, but different, so if we want to use some special counting method, then there are probably dozens, if not hundreds of such combinations one could choose arbitrarily from.

	The 78 mentions include words with prefixes and suffixes and these kind of words were often excluded in the ~~apologetic~~ word counts for other words, for the reason of not being "basic form" enough. ~~So if we want to use their~~ method ~~of counting~~, ~~than~~ there is even ~~less~~ occurrences!		The 78 mentions include words with prefixes and suffixes and these kind of words were often excluded in the word counts of those claiming this was a miracle for other words, for the reason of not being "basic form" enough. Using this method here, then, there are even fewer occurrences.

	==Death==		==Death==
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	The list of all the words derived from the root موت (m-w-t) in the Qur'an:		The list of all the words derived from the root موت (m-w-t) in the Qur'an:

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	~~Again the same problem exists. Even~~ if we ~~counted~~ all occurrences of nouns derived from the root موت, we cannot get 145 occurrences, because there are only 104 nouns from this root in the Qur'an. And the word death appears '''56 times'''.		Here again, if we count all occurrences of nouns derived from the root موت, we cannot get 145 occurrences, because there are only 104 nouns from this root in the Qur'an. And the word death appears '''56 times'''.

	==Conclusion==		==Conclusion==
	* If we count all occurrences of the word "life" (''hayat''), including forms with prefixes and suffixes, we get 78 occurrences and for the word "death" (''mawt'') we get 56 occurrences.

	* There is no way to get 145 occurrences of the words "life" nor "death", because when we look at all the words derived from the same roots as the two words, we see that there are less than 145 derived nouns. So in order to get 145, nouns and verbs would have to be counted together. ~~That method, besides being absurd, wouldn't~~ change ~~anything about~~ the fact that the words "life" and "death" do not appear the same number of times.		*If we count all occurrences of the word "life" (''hayat''), including forms with prefixes and suffixes, we get 78 occurrences and for the word "death" (''mawt'') we get 56 occurrences.
	** If that new method of counting is supposed to be "meaning word count", that is counting words with a similar meaning, then we would get 165 occurrences for "death" because all the words from the root موت have something to do with death or dying.
	* ~~Also~~ there ~~are probably hundereds~~ of ~~ways~~ to do the word count~~, so if~~ one of ~~those ways gets~~ an interesting result, it is ~~not amazing~~. ~~Actually~~, the ~~more chances there are to get~~ an interesting ~~number, the higher is the probability of finding it~~ (and ~~the~~ less ~~amazing it is~~, ~~when it is found~~).		*There is no way to get 145 occurrences of the words "life" nor "death", because when we look at all the words derived from the same roots as the two words, we see that there are less than 145 derived nouns. So in order to get 145, nouns and verbs would have to be counted together. This still would not change the fact that the words "life" and "death" do not appear the same number of times.
			**If that new method of counting is supposed to be "meaning word count", that is counting words with a similar meaning, then we would get 165 occurrences for "death" because all the words from the root موت have something to do with death or dying.
			*Given the diversity of word forms for either of the two words, there perhaps exist hundreds of possible arbitrary permutations one could choose from to do the word count. If one of these combinations produces an interesting result, this is an expect outcome. This is because with a greater number of permutations to pick from, the chance that an interesting outcome becomes possible increases (and is thus a less impressive, rare, or unlikely finding)

	==See also==		==See also==
	* [[Word Count Miracles in the Qur'an]]
	* [[365 days miracle in the Quran]]		*[[Word Count Miracles in the Qur'an]]
	* [[Dunya and akhira word count in the Qur'an]]		*[[365 days miracle in the Quran]]
	* [[Iman and kufr word count in the Qur'an]]		*[[Dunya and akhira word count in the Qur'an]]
	* [[Land to water ratio miracle in the Qur'an]]		*[[Iman and kufr word count in the Qur'an]]
	* [[Man and woman word count in the Qur'an]]		*[[Land to water ratio miracle in the Qur'an]]
	* [[Paradise and hell word count in the Qur'an]]		*[[Man and woman word count in the Qur'an]]
			*[[Paradise and hell word count in the Qur'an]]

	[[Category:Miracles]]		[[Category:Miracles]]

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	This article lists all occurrences of the words "life" and "death" in the Qur'an. The purpose is to analyze the claim that they both appear 145 times. It can also serve as a reference for people who want to know where the Qur'an speaks about life or death.		This article lists all occurrences of the words "life" and "death" in the Qur'an. The purpose is to analyze the claim that they both appear 145 times. It can also serve as a reference for people who want to know where the Qur'an speaks about life or death.

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	Again the same problem. Even if we counted all occurrences of nouns derived from the root موت, we cannot get 145 occurrences, because there are only 104 nouns from this root in the Qur'an. And the word death appears '''56 times'''.		Again the same problem exists. Even if we counted all occurrences of nouns derived from the root موت, we cannot get 145 occurrences, because there are only 104 nouns from this root in the Qur'an. And the word death appears '''56 times'''.

	==Conclusion==		==Conclusion==

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	==Life==		==Life==
	The word "life" (الحياة, ''al-hayat'') is derived from the trilateral root حيي (h-y-y). In the Uthmani script, the writing style of the first Qur'anic manuscripts, it is not written like this الحياة (Simple Script), but like this ٱلْحَيَوٰةِ (Uthmani Script). This word count is complicated and it could not have been done in the English translation. ~~Because~~ from the same root, there are many similar words derived and there is the verb "to give-life" which is translated into English as two words, including the word "life" itself, although in Arabic it is just one verb and the noun "life" itself is not present. When the English Qur'an says, that Allah gives life to someone, then literally, he "lifes" him. It could be also translated as "resurrects". All verbs will be described as "verb" in the "Word class" column. Also there are words like "the alive" and "the living" referring to "living people" and they don't mean "life" itself (you can also notice they are written differently in Arabic). There are also 2 words translated as "life", but expressed with a slightly different word in Arabic, these words are also counted, but they are '''bold''' and can be easily excluded if we wanted not to count them.		The word "life" (الحياة, ''al-hayat'') is derived from the trilateral root حيي (h-y-y). In the Uthmani script, the writing style of the first Qur'anic manuscripts, it is not written like this الحياة (Simple Script), but like this ٱلْحَيَوٰةِ (Uthmani Script). This word count is complicated and it could not have been done in the English translation. This is because from the same root, there are many similar words derived and there is the verb "to give-life" which is translated into English as two words, including the word "life" itself, although in Arabic it is just one verb and the noun "life" itself is not present. When the English Qur'an says that Allah gives life to someone, then literally, he "lifes" him. It could be also translated as "resurrects". All verbs will be described as "verb" in the "Word class" column. Also there are words like "the alive" and "the living" referring to "living people" and they don't mean "life" itself (you can also notice they are written differently in Arabic). There are also 2 words translated as "life", but expressed with a slightly different word in Arabic, these words are also counted, but they are '''bold''' and can be easily excluded if we wanted not to count them.

	Keep in mind that in Arabic, pronouns like "them", "our", "her" are suffixed to the word and conjunctions like "and" or "for" are prefixed to the word. There is even a ''lam-'' (ل) prefix, translated as "surely". Also the subject "he", "she" is also in the word (verb) itself. So one Arabic word sometimes needs a lot of English words, when translated. English uses more spaces between words, while Arabic rather joins the words together. So don't be confused by the long translations.		Keep in mind that in Arabic, pronouns like "them", "our", "her" are suffixed to the word and conjunctions like "and" or "for" are prefixed to the word. There is even a ''lam-'' (ل) prefix, translated as "surely". Also the subject "he", "she" is also in the word (verb) itself. So one Arabic word sometimes needs a lot of English words, when translated. English uses more spaces between words, while Arabic rather joins the words together. So don't be confused by the long translations.

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	==Death==		==Death==
	The word "death" (الموت, ''al-mawt'') is derived from a trilateral root موت (m-w-t). Words derived from this root could be described similarly as the words from the root حيي (h-w-w). There is also the verb of "giving death" or "causing death" and words like "the dead" referring to dead people and not death itself. The difference here is that there are no words with a totally different meanings. All the words have something to to with death, dying or being dead. The word "kill" (''qatal'') is derived from a completely different root قتل (q-t-l). So translating the death-giving as killing might be misleading.		The word "death" (الموت, ''al-mawt'' or ''al-maout'') is derived from a trilateral root موت (m-w-t). Words derived from this root could be described similarly as the words from the root حيي (h-w-w). There is also the verb of "giving death" or "causing death" and words like "the dead" referring to dead people and not death itself. The difference here is that there are no words with a totally different meanings. All the words have something to to with death, dying or being dead. The word "kill" (''qatal'') is derived from a completely different root قتل (q-t-l). So translating the death-giving as killing might be misleading.

	The list of all the words derived from the root موت (m-w-t) in the Qur'an:		The list of all the words derived from the root موت (m-w-t) in the Qur'an:

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