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Asmith at 05:04, 5 June 2025

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	The story of '''Lut''' (لوط, Lūṭ, לוֹט‎ "Lot" in the Hebrew tradition) from the [[Taurat\|Hebrew Bible]], is also to be found in the [[Qur'an]], albeit retold with a few differences. Inter alia, the Qur'anic rendition links the destruction of Sodom specifically to the homosexual activities of its inhabitants, whereas in the Hebrew original, although there is an attempted rape of the male angels sent to Lut's house by the men of the city, the main sin of Lut's people is the inhospitable conduct towards these visitors, not the fact that they wanted to engage in (forced) homosexual relations with them.		The story of '''Lut''' (لوط, Lūṭ, לוֹט‎ "Lot" in the Hebrew tradition) from the [[Taurat\|Hebrew Bible]], is also to be found in the [[Qur'an]], albeit retold with a few differences. Inter alia, the Qur'anic rendition links the destruction of Sodom specifically to the homosexual activities of its inhabitants, whereas in the Hebrew original, although there is an attempted rape of the male angels sent to Lut's house by the men of the city, the main sin of Lut's people is the inhospitable conduct towards these visitors, not the fact that they wanted to engage in (forced) homosexual relations with them.

AdrianE: Fixed some typos. Changed 'Lot' to 'Lut', so that the spelling is in line with the title.

2024-08-03T11:32:35Z

Fixed some typos. Changed 'Lot' to 'Lut', so that the spelling is in line with the title.

CPO675: /* Qur'anic Claims */ Expanded the people of Lots being the first to commit homosexuality Quran quotes

2024-07-08T23:24:58Z

Qur'anic Claims: Expanded the people of Lots being the first to commit homosexuality Quran quotes

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	Homosexuality was something that did not exist prior to the people of Lot:		Homosexuality was something that did not exist prior to the people of Lot:
			{{Quote\|{{Quran\|7:80-81}}\|And [We had sent] Lot when he said to his people, "Do you commit such immorality as <b>no one has preceded you with from among the worlds?</b> Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people."}}{{quote \|{{Quran\|29\|28-29}}\|And (remember) Lut: behold, he said to his people: "Ye do commit lewdness, <b>such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you.</b> Indeed, you approach men and obstruct the road and commit in your meetings [every] evil." And the answer of his people was not but they said, "Bring us the punishment of Allah, if you should be of the truthful."}}
	{{quote \|{{Quran\|29\|28}}\|And (remember) Lut: behold, he said to his people: "Ye do commit lewdness, such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you.}}

	Lut's wife was said to be complicit with his people:		Lut's wife was said to be complicit with his people:

Asmith at 06:40, 7 July 2024

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CPO675: /* First to experience homosexuality */ Added in section on how long humans have been around and the earliest this story can possibly be dated - showing how implausible it is Lut's people were the first homosexuals.

2023-11-11T23:48:39Z

First to experience homosexuality: Added in section on how long humans have been around and the earliest this story can possibly be dated - showing how implausible it is Lut's people were the first homosexuals.

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	==First to experience homosexuality==		==First to experience homosexuality==

	Although confirmed by multiple Islamic scholars such as Tabari and ibn Kathir, the claim that the People of Lut were the first to experience homosexuality is completely without basis in history or biology. Homosexuality has been recorded in ancient cultures far before the time of Lut and Ibrahim(1948–2123 BC). For example the ancient Egyptians who existed 6000 years before Christ knew of the practice, as did Chinese and Indian cultures back to 7000 BCE. There are many recorded tales which portray homosexuality in the literature of these civilizations, such as the story between Seth and Horus. It is also known from biology that human male homosexuality, and to a lesser degree female homosexuality, will occur in any large enough population, so again this claim is completely without merit.		Although confirmed by multiple Islamic scholars such as Tabari and ibn Kathir, the claim that the People of Lut were the first to experience homosexuality is completely without basis in history or biology. Homosexuality has been recorded in ancient cultures far before the time of Lut and Ibrahim (1948–2123 BC). For example the ancient Egyptians who existed 6000 years before Christ knew of the practice, as did Chinese and Indian cultures back to 7000 BCE. There are many recorded tales which portray homosexuality in the literature of these civilizations, such as the story between Seth and Horus. It is also known from biology that human male homosexuality, and to a lesser degree female homosexuality, will occur in any large enough population, so again this claim is completely without merit.

			Even if one ignores all extra-Quranic sources for dating this story, this is still set long after the first humans (who appeared ~300,000 years ago)<ref>[https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/essential-timeline-understanding-evolution-homo-sapiens-180976807/ An Evolutionary Timeline of Homo Sapiens] - Smithsonian Institution magazine - 2 February 2021</ref> evolved, with the town described in the story being far too advanced for a hunter-gatherer tribe society. So at the earliest is set after the first Agricultural Revolution in the following Neolithic period where these kind of settlements began to occur, beginning ~12,000 years ago,<ref>[https://www.history.com/topics/pre-history/neolithic-revolution Neolithic Revolution] - History.com</ref> making this extremely implausible that they were the first to commit a homosexual act.

			It would more likely need to be much later than the earliest time for the remains to still be there while Muhammad was preaching, as stated in the following verses:

			{{Quote\|{{Quran\|37\|133-138}}\|And indeed, Lot was among the messengers.
			[So mention] when We saved him and his family, all, <b>Then We destroyed the others. And indeed, you pass by them in the morning
			And at night.</b> Then will you not use reason?}}{{Quote\|{{Quran\|15\|74-77}}\|and We made its topmost part its nethermost, and rained on them stones of shale.
			There are indeed signs in that for the percipient. <b>Indeed it is on a standing road,</b>
			and there is indeed a sign in that for the faithful.}}

	==The Story in the Tafsir==		==The Story in the Tafsir==

Exmoose at 02:04, 23 January 2023

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Iarabi at 11:31, 26 May 2021

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	==Qur'anic Claims==		==Qur'anic Claims==

	The story of Lut is told in many different places in the Qur'an, which can be read [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Homosexuality\|here]]. According to the Qur'an, Lut was a righteous prophet who was sent to preach the word of Allah to the sinful people of Sodom and Gomorrah. They repeatedly rejected his message and threatened him, until angels from Allah turned up at Lut's house. They bring him tidings of the destruction of the twin cities. The wicked people of Lut's cities then also show up at his house, demanding to rape the angels they believe are foreigners. Lut offers them his daughters in lawful Islamic marriage ~~to them instead (which the mufassirun read as being~~ the daughters of his nation~~, id est~~ the ~~females~~ of ~~the cities) but~~ they ~~refuse~~. In their drunkenness and blindness Lut is able to escape, and Allah destroys the cities with brimstone. The outline of the story is in some ways similar to the biblical original, but the story has some salient points which mark its importance in Islamic theology and separate it from its biblical progenitor:		The story of Lut is told in many different places in the Qur'an, which can be read [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Homosexuality\|here]]. According to the Qur'an, Lut was a righteous prophet who was sent to preach the word of Allah to the sinful people of Sodom and Gomorrah. They repeatedly rejected his message and threatened him, until angels from Allah turned up at Lut's house. They bring him tidings of the destruction of the twin cities. The wicked people of Lut's cities then also show up at his house, demanding to rape the angels they believe are foreigners. Lut offers them his daughters. Quran exegetes claim this offer was in lawful Islamic marriage and that Lut meant by "my daughters" the daughters of his nation. But these claims have no basis in the Quran or the Sunnah. Whatever the nature of Lut's offer was, they rejected it. In their drunkenness and blindness Lut is able to escape, and Allah destroys the cities with brimstone. The outline of the story is in some ways similar to the biblical original, but the story has some salient points which mark its importance in Islamic theology and separate it from its biblical progenitor:

	All the men of Lot became homosexual:		All the men of Lot became homosexual:
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	===Lut's wife was complicit with his people===		===Lut's wife was complicit with his people===

	Lut's wife ~~is accused by the Qur'an of complicity~~ in ~~the sin of his people. In the tafsir of ibn Kathir it is written~~:		The Qur'an says Lut's wife betrayed him. Quran exegetes explained this betrayal in two different ways: The first is that she betrayed him in religion. The second is that she used to lead the men to Lut's guests.

	{{quote \|ibn Kathir\|يُخْبِرُ تَعَالَى عَنْ عَبْدِهِ لُوطٍ عَلَيْهِ السَّلَامُ، أَنَّهُ أَنْذَرَ قَوْمَهُ نِقْمَةَ اللَّهِ بِهِمْ، فِي فِعْلِهِمُ الْفَاحِشَةَ الَّتِي لَمْ يَسْبِقْهُمْ إِلَيْهَا أَحَدٌ مِنْ بَنِي آدَمَ، وَهِيَ إِتْيَانُ الذُّكُورِ دُونَ الْإِنَاثِ، وَذَلِكَ فَاحِشَةٌ عَظِيمَةٌ، اسْتَغْنَى الرِّجَالُ بِالرِّجَالِ، وَالنِّسَاءُ بِالنِّسَاءِ


	The Most High (Allah) tells of his servant Lut, peace be upon him, who warned his people of Allah's coming wrath upon them for their disgusting actions that had never been done before by on of the sons of Adam (id est by any human before), and that was the practice by men of sexual relations (with each other) without women, and this is ~~greatly disgusting, the men were satisfied with men, and the women with women}}~~

	~~Thus it can be assumed~~ that she ~~like the rest of the women of her people was engaged~~ in ~~homosexual behavior with women on a regular basis, thus justifying her destruction~~. ~~This shows how parts of the story were not conveyed in the Islamic tradition; in the biblical original, Genesis 19:17 and 19:26, Lot's wife~~ is ~~destroyed because~~ she ~~looks back at~~ the ~~city being destroyed in contravention of the Angels~~' ~~orders~~.

			In the biblical original, Genesis 19:17 and 19:26, Lot's wife is destroyed because she looks back at the city being destroyed in contravention of the Angels' orders.
	===Killing the people of Lut===		===Killing the people of Lut===

Asmith: /* See Also */

2021-02-26T00:31:57Z

Asmith: /* Lut offers daughters to wicked men */

2021-02-25T18:17:54Z

Lut offers daughters to wicked men

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	The detail of Lut offering up his two daughters to the crowd of rapists ({{Quran-range\|15\|67\|71}} and {{Quran-range\|11\|77\|79}}) is a detail from the original story (the Bible, Genesis 19:8) which has survived the Islamification of the text and story. In the original story, the angels sent by YHVH to Lot's houses are Lot's guests, and Lot as a good Middle Eastern host is required to offer them good hospitality and protection, while the wicked men of Sodom and Gomorrah accost their house demanding to rape them, which is not a very hospitable thing to do. Although to later readers and listeners the salient point of the story appeared to be the lust of the men of Sodom and Gomorrah to rape other men, in fact a close reading of the original text of Genesis appears to cast their prime sin as inhospitality to guests and foreigners: Lot offers his daughters because he is a righteous man who takes care of foreign visitors as a good guest should, even at the cost of his own daughters' precious virginity. His willingness to sacrifice his daughters to the rapist mob is proof of his good hospitality, while the mob's insistence on raping these guests while they had perfectly good virgin daughters available for rape points to their wickedness and total lack of any morals whatsoever. In the Qur'anic version, though, by which time the homosexuality of the people of Lut has evolved into their prime sin, this gesture makes little sense since purely homosexual rapists would theoretically have no interest in his daughters (and the offering up of the daughters to be raped likely appeared as strange to the first generations of Muslims as it does to modern readers). It survival shows its salience in the original story, even if devoid of context here.		The detail of Lut offering up his two daughters to the crowd of rapists ({{Quran-range\|15\|67\|71}} and {{Quran-range\|11\|77\|79}}) is a detail from the original story (the Bible, Genesis 19:8) which has survived the Islamification of the text and story. In the original story, the angels sent by YHVH to Lot's houses are Lot's guests, and Lot as a good Middle Eastern host is required to offer them good hospitality and protection, while the wicked men of Sodom and Gomorrah accost their house demanding to rape them, which is not a very hospitable thing to do. Although to later readers and listeners the salient point of the story appeared to be the lust of the men of Sodom and Gomorrah to rape other men, in fact a close reading of the original text of Genesis appears to cast their prime sin as inhospitality to guests and foreigners: Lot offers his daughters because he is a righteous man who takes care of foreign visitors as a good guest should, even at the cost of his own daughters' precious virginity. His willingness to sacrifice his daughters to the rapist mob is proof of his good hospitality, while the mob's insistence on raping these guests while they had perfectly good virgin daughters available for rape points to their wickedness and total lack of any morals whatsoever. In the Qur'anic version, though, by which time the homosexuality of the people of Lut has evolved into their prime sin, this gesture makes little sense since purely homosexual rapists would theoretically have no interest in his daughters (and the offering up of the daughters to be raped likely appeared as strange to the first generations of Muslims as it does to modern readers). Its survival shows its salience in the original story, even if devoid of context here.

	==See Also==		==See Also==

IbnPinker at 23:30, 21 February 2021

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	*[[Parallelism Between the Qur'an and Judeo-Christian Scriptures]]		*[[Parallelism Between the Qur'an and Judeo-Christian Scriptures]]

	[[Category:~~Islam and~~ Homosexuality]]		[[Category:Homosexuality]]
	[[Category:Qur'an]]		[[Category:Qur'an]]

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	The story of '''Lut''' (لوط, Lūṭ, לוֹט‎ "Lot" in the Hebrew tradition) from the [[Taurat\|Hebrew Bible]], is also to be found in the [[Qur'an]], albeit retold with a few differences. Inter alia, the Qur'anic rendition links the destruction of Sodom specifically to the homosexual activities of its inhabitants, whereas in the Hebrew original, although there is an attempted rape of the male angels sent to ~~Lot~~'s house by the men of the city, the main sin of ~~Lot~~'s people is the inhospitable conduct towards these visitors, not the fact that they wanted to engage in (forced) homosexual relations with them.		The story of '''Lut''' (لوط, Lūṭ, לוֹט‎ "Lot" in the Hebrew tradition) from the [[Taurat\|Hebrew Bible]], is also to be found in the [[Qur'an]], albeit retold with a few differences. Inter alia, the Qur'anic rendition links the destruction of Sodom specifically to the homosexual activities of its inhabitants, whereas in the Hebrew original, although there is an attempted rape of the male angels sent to Lut's house by the men of the city, the main sin of Lut's people is the inhospitable conduct towards these visitors, not the fact that they wanted to engage in (forced) homosexual relations with them.

	The story of Lut in the Qur'an represents its apotheosis in all of the traditions in which it is found: by the 7th century, the original story of ~~Lot~~, the single righteous man of Sodom who protected his guests even at the cost of his own begotten daughters virginity, has evolved into a tale simply demonizing homosexuality. Although the loss of the point of the original story is striking in the Qur'anic text, and the ~~tasfirs~~ which evolved surrounding it, which also build out the story by clarifying that the women of Sodom and Gomorrah were also homosexuals and thus also deserved to be destroyed, the transformation of the story of ~~Lot~~ into a condemnation of homosexuality is not without precedent: witness the English slur "sodomite", pointing like the Arabic لوطي "luti" to the sin of the people of ~~Lot~~ within the English-speaking Christian tradition.		The story of Lut in the Qur'an represents its apotheosis in all of the traditions in which it is found: by the 7th century, the original story of Lut, the single righteous man of Sodom who protected his guests even at the cost of his own begotten daughters' virginity, has evolved into a tale simply demonizing homosexuality. Although the loss of the point of the original story is striking in the Qur'anic text, and the tafsirs which evolved surrounding it, which also build out the story by clarifying that the women of Sodom and Gomorrah were also homosexuals and thus also deserved to be destroyed, the transformation of the story of Lut into a condemnation of homosexuality is not without precedent: witness the English slur "sodomite", pointing like the Arabic لوطي "luti" to the sin of the people of Lut within the English-speaking Christian tradition.

	==Qur'anic Claims==		==Qur'anic Claims==
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	The story of Lut is told in many different places in the Qur'an, which can be read [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Homosexuality\|here]]. According to the Qur'an, Lut was a righteous prophet who was sent to preach the word of Allah to the sinful people of Sodom and Gomorrah. They repeatedly rejected his message and threatened him, until angels from Allah turned up at Lut's house. They bring him tidings of the destruction of the twin cities. The wicked people of Lut's cities then also show up at his house, demanding to rape the angels they believe are foreigners. Lut offers them his daughters. Quran exegetes claim this offer was in lawful Islamic marriage and that Lut meant by "my daughters" the daughters of his nation. But these claims have no basis in the Quran or the Sunnah. Whatever the nature of Lut's offer was, they rejected it. In their drunkenness and blindness Lut is able to escape, and Allah destroys the cities with brimstone. The outline of the story is in some ways similar to the biblical original, but the story has some salient points which mark its importance in Islamic theology and separate it from its biblical progenitor:		The story of Lut is told in many different places in the Qur'an, which can be read [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Homosexuality\|here]]. According to the Qur'an, Lut was a righteous prophet who was sent to preach the word of Allah to the sinful people of Sodom and Gomorrah. They repeatedly rejected his message and threatened him, until angels from Allah turned up at Lut's house. They bring him tidings of the destruction of the twin cities. The wicked people of Lut's cities then also show up at his house, demanding to rape the angels they believe are foreigners. Lut offers them his daughters. Quran exegetes claim this offer was in lawful Islamic marriage and that Lut meant by "my daughters" the daughters of his nation. But these claims have no basis in the Quran or the Sunnah. Whatever the nature of Lut's offer was, they rejected it. In their drunkenness and blindness Lut is able to escape, and Allah destroys the cities with brimstone. The outline of the story is in some ways similar to the biblical original, but the story has some salient points which mark its importance in Islamic theology and separate it from its biblical progenitor:

	All the men of ~~Lot~~ became homosexual:		All the men of Lut became homosexual:

	{{quote \|{{Quran\|27\|55}}\|Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are '''a people''' (grossly) ignorant!}}		{{quote \|{{Quran\|27\|55}}\|Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are '''a people''' (grossly) ignorant!}}

	Homosexuality was something that did not exist prior to the people of ~~Lot~~:		Homosexuality was something that did not exist prior to the people of Lut:
	{{Quote\|{{Quran\|7:80-81}}\|And [We had sent] Lot when he said to his people, "Do you commit such immorality as <b>no one has preceded you with from among the worlds?</b> Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people."}}{{quote \|{{Quran\|29\|28-29}}\|And (remember) Lut: behold, he said to his people: "Ye do commit lewdness, <b>such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you.</b> Indeed, you approach men and obstruct the road and commit in your meetings [every] evil." And the answer of his people was not but they said, "Bring us the punishment of Allah, if you should be of the truthful."}}		{{Quote\|{{Quran\|7:80-81}}\|And [We had sent] Lot when he said to his people, "Do you commit such immorality as <b>no one has preceded you with from among the worlds?</b> Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people."}}{{quote \|{{Quran\|29\|28-29}}\|And (remember) Lut: behold, he said to his people: "Ye do commit lewdness, <b>such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you.</b> Indeed, you approach men and obstruct the road and commit in your meetings [every] evil." And the answer of his people was not but they said, "Bring us the punishment of Allah, if you should be of the truthful."}}

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	{{quote \|{{Quran\|7\|83}}\|But we saved him and his family, except his wife: she was of those who legged behind.}}		{{quote \|{{Quran\|7\|83}}\|But we saved him and his family, except his wife: she was of those who legged behind.}}

	~~Lot~~ also offered his daughters to the homosexual men:		Lut also offered his daughters to the homosexual men:

	{{quote \|{{Quran\|11\|78}}\|And his people came unto him, running towards him - and before then they used to commit abominations - He said: O my people! Here are my daughters! They are purer for you. Beware of Allah, and degrade me not in (the person of) my guests. Is there not among you any upright man?}}		{{quote \|{{Quran\|11\|78}}\|And his people came unto him, running towards him - and before then they used to commit abominations - He said: O my people! Here are my daughters! They are purer for you. Beware of Allah, and degrade me not in (the person of) my guests. Is there not among you any upright man?}}
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	Although confirmed by multiple Islamic scholars such as Tabari and ibn Kathir, the claim that the People of Lut were the first to experience homosexuality is completely without basis in history or biology. Homosexuality has been recorded in ancient cultures far before the time of Lut and Ibrahim (1948–2123 BC). For example the ancient Egyptians who existed 6000 years before Christ knew of the practice, as did Chinese and Indian cultures back to 7000 BCE. There are many recorded tales which portray homosexuality in the literature of these civilizations, such as the story between Seth and Horus. It is also known from biology that human male homosexuality, and to a lesser degree female homosexuality, will occur in any large enough population, so again this claim is completely without merit.		Although confirmed by multiple Islamic scholars such as Tabari and ibn Kathir, the claim that the People of Lut were the first to experience homosexuality is completely without basis in history or biology. Homosexuality has been recorded in ancient cultures far before the time of Lut and Ibrahim (1948–2123 BC). For example the ancient Egyptians who existed 6000 years before Christ knew of the practice, as did Chinese and Indian cultures back to 7000 BCE. There are many recorded tales which portray homosexuality in the literature of these civilizations, such as the story between Seth and Horus. It is also known from biology that human male homosexuality, and to a lesser degree female homosexuality, will occur in any large enough population, so again this claim is completely without merit.

	Even if one ignores all extra-Quranic sources for dating this story, this is still set long after the first humans (who appeared ~300,000 years ago)<ref>[https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/essential-timeline-understanding-evolution-homo-sapiens-180976807/ An Evolutionary Timeline of Homo Sapiens] - Smithsonian Institution magazine - 2 February 2021</ref> evolved, with the town described in the story being far too advanced for a hunter-gatherer tribe society. So at the earliest is set after the first Agricultural Revolution in the following Neolithic period where these kind of settlements began to occur, beginning ~12,000 years ago,<ref>[https://www.history.com/topics/pre-history/neolithic-revolution Neolithic Revolution] - History.com</ref> making this extremely implausible that they were the first to commit a homosexual act.		Even if one ignores all extra-Quranic sources for dating this story, this is still set long after the first humans (who appeared ~300,000 years ago)<ref>[https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/essential-timeline-understanding-evolution-homo-sapiens-180976807/ An Evolutionary Timeline of Homo Sapiens] - Smithsonian Institution magazine - 2 February 2021</ref> evolved, with the town described in the story being far too advanced for a hunter-gatherer tribe society. So at the earliest the story is set after the first Agricultural Revolution in the following Neolithic period where these kind of settlements began to occur, beginning ~12,000 years ago,<ref>[https://www.history.com/topics/pre-history/neolithic-revolution Neolithic Revolution] - History.com</ref> making this extremely implausible that they were the first to commit a homosexual act.

	It would more likely need to be much later than the earliest time for the remains to still be there while Muhammad was preaching, as stated in the following verses:		It would more likely need to be much later than the earliest time for the remains to still be there while Muhammad was preaching, as stated in the following verses:
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	The Qur'an says Lut's wife betrayed him. Quran exegetes explained this betrayal in two different ways: The first is that she betrayed him in religion. The second is that she used to lead the men to Lut's guests.		The Qur'an says Lut's wife betrayed him. Quran exegetes explained this betrayal in two different ways: The first is that she betrayed him in religion. The second is that she used to lead the men to Lut's guests.

	In the biblical original, Genesis 19:17 and 19:26, ~~Lot~~'s wife is destroyed because she looks back at the city being destroyed in contravention of the ~~Angels~~' orders.		In the biblical original, Genesis 19:17 and 19:26, Lut's wife is destroyed because she looks back at the city being destroyed in contravention of the angels' orders.
	===Killing the people of Lut===		===Killing the people of Lut===

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	The detail of Lut offering up his two daughters to the crowd of rapists ({{Quran-range\|15\|67\|71}} and {{Quran-range\|11\|77\|79}}) is a detail from the original story (the Bible, Genesis 19:8) which has survived the Islamification of the text and story. In the original story, the angels sent by ~~YHVH~~ to ~~Lot~~'s houses are ~~Lot~~'s guests, and ~~Lot~~ as a good Middle Eastern host is required to offer them good hospitality and protection, while the wicked men of Sodom and Gomorrah accost their house demanding to rape them, which is not a very hospitable thing to do. Although to later readers and listeners the salient point of the story appeared to be the lust of the men of Sodom and Gomorrah to rape other men, in fact a close reading of the original text of Genesis appears to cast their prime sin as inhospitality to guests and foreigners: ~~Lot~~ offers his daughters because he is a righteous man who takes care of foreign visitors as a good guest should, even at the cost of his own daughters' precious virginity. His willingness to sacrifice his daughters to the rapist mob is proof of his good hospitality, while the mob's insistence on raping these guests while they had perfectly good virgin daughters available for rape points to their wickedness and total lack of any morals whatsoever. In the Qur'anic version, though, by which time the homosexuality of the people of Lut has evolved into their prime sin, this gesture makes little sense since purely homosexual rapists would theoretically have no interest in his daughters (and the offering up of the daughters to be raped likely appeared as strange to the first generations of Muslims as it does to modern readers). Its survival shows its salience in the original story, even if devoid of context here.		The detail of Lut offering up his two daughters to the crowd of rapists ({{Quran-range\|15\|67\|71}} and {{Quran-range\|11\|77\|79}}) is a detail from the original story (the Bible, Genesis 19:8) which has survived the Islamification of the text and story. In the original story, the angels sent by YHWH to Lut's houses are Lut's guests, and Lut as a good Middle Eastern host is required to offer them good hospitality and protection, while the wicked men of Sodom and Gomorrah accost their house demanding to rape them, which is not a very hospitable thing to do. Although to later readers and listeners the salient point of the story appeared to be the lust of the men of Sodom and Gomorrah to rape other men, in fact a close reading of the original text of Genesis appears to cast their prime sin as inhospitality to guests and foreigners: Lut offers his daughters because he is a righteous man who takes care of foreign visitors as a good guest should, even at the cost of his own daughters' precious virginity. His willingness to sacrifice his daughters to the rapist mob is proof of his good hospitality, while the mob's insistence on raping these guests while they had perfectly good virgin daughters available for rape points to their wickedness and total lack of any morals whatsoever. In the Qur'anic version, though, by which time the homosexuality of the people of Lut has evolved into their prime sin, this gesture makes little sense since purely homosexual rapists would theoretically have no interest in his daughters (and the offering up of the daughters to be raped likely appeared as strange to the first generations of Muslims as it does to modern readers). Its survival shows its salience in the original story, even if devoid of context here.

	==See Also==		==See Also==

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