Shaytan and angel word count in the Qur'an - Revision history

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	This article lists all occurrences of the words ''shaytan(s)'' (sometimes transliterated as ''shaitan'' or ~~simply ''~~Satan'') and angel(s) in the Qur'an and ~~analyzes~~ the "miracle" of both appearing 88 times.		This article lists all occurrences of the words ''shaytan(s)'' (sometimes transliterated as ''shaitan'' or translated as Satan) and angel(s) in the [[Qur'an]] and considers the "miracle" of both appearing 88 times.

	==Shaytan==		==Shaytan==
	In ~~the islamic~~ mythology, Allah created invisible beings called "jinns". Some of the jinns are muslims (they obey Allah) and others are ''shaytans'' (they disobey Allah). The most important ''shaytan'' is Iblees. Shaytans follow Iblees. The word ''shaytan'' has two meanings in the Qur'an, either it refers to a non-believing jinn(s) or it refers to Iblees himself. It depends on the context.		In Islamic mythology, [[Allah]] (God) created invisible beings called "[[Jinn\|jinns]]". Some of the jinns are muslims (they obey Allah) and others are ''shaytans'' (they disobey Allah). The most important ''shaytan'' is Iblees, or Satan (generally referred to as "the ''shaytan''". Shaytans follow Iblees. The word ''shaytan'' has two meanings in the Qur'an, either it refers to a non-believing jinn(s) or it refers to Iblees himself (usually preceded with "the"). It depends on the context.

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	~~So the~~ word appears 70 times in its singular form, including one occurrence with a prefix (19:45).		The word appears 70 times in its singular form, including one occurrence with a prefix (19:45).

	When counting all the forms, it appears 88 times, including 4 occurrences with prefixes (19:45, 19:68, 38:37 and 67:5) and 1 occurrence with a suffix (2:14).		When counting all the forms, it appears 88 times, including 4 occurrences with prefixes (19:45, 19:68, 38:37 and 67:5) and 1 occurrence with a suffix (2:14).

	~~This word count is questionable. Firstly,~~ the word has two meanings "a regular ''shaytaan''" and "Iblees". ~~Then~~, ~~there is the question~~ whether to count ~~only the~~ singular ~~form~~ and ~~whether to include the words~~ with prefixes ~~and whether to include the words with~~ suffixes.		One should note that the word has two meanings "a regular ''shaytaan''" and "Iblees". In calculating a total number, one must decide whether to count singular/plural versions and ones with/without prefixes/suffixes.

	==Angel==		==Angel==
	Angels are supposed to be invisible beings who always obey Allah. ~~There is actually a contradiction about Iblees, because in~~ one verse (2:34) he seems to be an angel while in other verse (18:50) he is a jinn.		Angels are supposed to be invisible beings who always obey Allah. In one verse ({{Quran\|2\|34}}) Ibless (Satan) seems to be an angel while in other verse ({{Quran\|18\|50}}) he is a jinn.

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	~~So the~~ word appears 13 times in the singular form, including 2 occurrences with a prefix (69:17, 89:22). (*) These two singular occurrences with a prefix are translated as "angel'''s'''".		The word appears 13 times in the singular form, including 2 occurrences with a prefix (69:17, 89:22). (*) These two singular occurrences with a prefix are translated as "angel'''s'''".

	When counting all the forms, this word appears 88 times, including 31 occurrences with a prefix and the occurrences with a prefix include 5 occurrences with a suffix.		When counting all the forms, this word appears 88 times, including 31 occurrences with a prefix and the occurrences with a prefix include 5 occurrences with a suffix.

	~~This word~~ count ~~is also questionable there are dual~~ and ~~plural forms, forms~~ with suffixes ~~and prefixes. So if we want to find a nice number of repetitions we have a wide variety of possible word counts to use~~.		In calculating a total number, one must decide whether to count singular/plural versions and ones with/without prefixes/suffixes.

			==Observations==

	~~==Conclusions==~~		*The word ''shaytan'' in its basic form, that is in the singular form, without prefixes or suffixes, appears '''69 times''' and the word angel '''11 times'''.
	* The word ''shaytan'' in its basic form, that is in the singular form, without prefixes or suffixes, appears '''69 times''' and the word angel '''11 times'''.

	* When counting all possible forms, then both have the word count 88~~. It's not a miracle, but it's true~~.		*When counting all possible forms of both words, then both have the word count 88.
	** In other word counts ~~apologists excluded~~ many words (words with suffixes, words with prefixes, dual and plural forms..)~~, because they weren't~~ "~~basic form~~" ~~enough. But when all the occurrences have a nice number~~, ~~then suddenly there is no need~~ to ~~count only~~ the ~~"basic form"~~ and all words are counted~~. Also in~~ the ~~miracle~~ "~~Righteous~~ and wicked" the ~~"righteous" had a double~~ word ~~count, because they are better~~. ~~So why angels don~~'~~t have a double~~ word ~~count over ''shaytans''? Shouldn't there be the same logic between~~ righteous~~-wicked and angels-shaytans?~~		**In other word counts many words (words with suffixes, words with prefixes, dual and plural forms, etc.) must be disincluded to arrive at the "miracle" count, though this does not appear to be the case here, and instead all word forms are required.
	** Couldn't Allah make also the ~~singular forms~~ word ~~count equal~~, ~~so that we can be sure that~~ this is ~~not just a coincidence?~~		**In other word counts where words of opposing qualities are counted and one is positive and the other negative, such as that between "righteous" and "wicked", there is sometimes a multiplication of the positive word (e.g. [[Word Count Miracles in the Qur'an#.22The righteous.22 mentioned 6 times and .22the wicked.22 3 times\|the word "righteous" is said to appear six times while the word "wicked" is said to appear three times, though this count is rather unclear]]). This effect seems arbitrarily absent in the case of angels and devils/shayateen. Other even more easily contrasted words, such as "believers" and "disbelievers" appear to lack any word count "miracle" altogether.
	** Why believers-disbelievers ~~and similar pairs don't have an equal~~ word count?

	==See also==		==See also==
	* [[Word Count Miracles in the Qur'an]]
	* [[365 days miracle in the Quran]]
	* [[12 months miracle in the Quran]]
	* [[Iman and kufr word count in the Qur'an]]
	* [[Land to water ratio miracle in the Qur'an]]
	* [[Man and woman word count in the Qur'an]]
	* [[Paradise and hell word count in the Qur'an]]
	* [[Dunya and akhira word count in the Qur'an]]

	~~==References==~~		*[[Word Count Miracles in the Qur'an]]
			*[[365 days miracle in the Quran]]
			*[[12 months miracle in the Quran]]
			*[[Iman and kufr word count in the Qur'an]]
			*[[Land to water ratio miracle in the Qur'an]]
			*[[Man and woman word count in the Qur'an]]
			*[[Paradise and hell word count in the Qur'an]]
			*[[Dunya and akhira word count in the Qur'an]]
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	This article lists all occurrences of the words ''shaytan(s)'' (sometimes transliterated as ''shaitan'' or simply ''Satan'') and angel(s) in the Qur'an and analyzes the "miracle" of both appearing 88 times.		This article lists all occurrences of the words ''shaytan(s)'' (sometimes transliterated as ''shaitan'' or simply ''Satan'') and angel(s) in the Qur'an and analyzes the "miracle" of both appearing 88 times.

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	This article lists all occurrences of the words ''shaytan(s)'' (sometimes transliterated as ''shaitan'' or simply ''Satan'') and angel(s) in the Qur'an and analyzes the miracle of both appearing 88 times.		This article lists all occurrences of the words ''shaytan(s)'' (sometimes transliterated as ''shaitan'' or simply ''Satan'') and angel(s) in the Qur'an and analyzes the "miracle" of both appearing 88 times.

	==Shaytan==		==Shaytan==

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	==Angel==		==Angel==
	Angels are supposed to be invisible beings who always obey Allah. There is actually a contradiction about Iblees, because in one verse (2:34) he seems to be an angel.		Angels are supposed to be invisible beings who always obey Allah. There is actually a contradiction about Iblees, because in one verse (2:34) he seems to be an angel while in other verse (18:50) he is a jinn.

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	==Angel==		==Angel==
			Angels are supposed to be invisible beings who always obey Allah. There is actually a contradiction about Iblees, because in one verse (2:34) he seems to be an angel.

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Conclusions

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	** In other word counts apologists excluded many words (words with suffixes, words with prefixes, dual and plural forms..), because they weren't "basic form" enough. But when all the occurrences have a nice number, then suddenly there is no need to count only the "basic form" and all words are counted. Also in the miracle "Righteous and wicked" the "righteous" had a double word count, because they are better. So why angels don't have a double word count over ''shaytans''? Shouldn't there be the same logic between righteous-wicked and angels-shaytans?		** In other word counts apologists excluded many words (words with suffixes, words with prefixes, dual and plural forms..), because they weren't "basic form" enough. But when all the occurrences have a nice number, then suddenly there is no need to count only the "basic form" and all words are counted. Also in the miracle "Righteous and wicked" the "righteous" had a double word count, because they are better. So why angels don't have a double word count over ''shaytans''? Shouldn't there be the same logic between righteous-wicked and angels-shaytans?
	** Couldn't Allah make also the singular forms word count equal, so that we can be sure that this is not just a coincidence?		** Couldn't Allah make also the singular forms word count equal, so that we can be sure that this is not just a coincidence?
	** Why believers-disbelievers and similar pairs don't have ~~the same~~ word count?		** Why believers-disbelievers and similar pairs don't have an equal word count?

	==See also==		==See also==

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Conclusions

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	* When counting all possible forms, then both have the word count 88. It's not a miracle, but it's true.		* When counting all possible forms, then both have the word count 88. It's not a miracle, but it's true.
	** In other word counts apologists excluded many words (words with suffixes, words with prefixes, dual and plural forms..), because they weren't "basic form" enough. But when all the occurrences have a nice number, then suddenly there is no need to count only the "basic form" and all words are counted. Also in the miracle "Righteous and wicked" the "righteous" had a double word count, because they are better. So why angels don't have a double word count over ''shaytans''? Shouldn't there be the same logic between righteous-wicked and angels-shaytans?		** In other word counts apologists excluded many words (words with suffixes, words with prefixes, dual and plural forms..), because they weren't "basic form" enough. But when all the occurrences have a nice number, then suddenly there is no need to count only the "basic form" and all words are counted. Also in the miracle "Righteous and wicked" the "righteous" had a double word count, because they are better. So why angels don't have a double word count over ''shaytans''? Shouldn't there be the same logic between righteous-wicked and angels-shaytans?
			** Couldn't Allah make also the singular forms word count equal, so that we can be sure that this is not just a coincidence?
			** Why believers-disbelievers and similar pairs don't have the same word count?

	==See also==		==See also==

Prekladator: /* Conclusions */

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Conclusions

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	* When counting all possible forms, then both have the word count 88. It's not a miracle, but it's true.		* When counting all possible forms, then both have the word count 88. It's not a miracle, but it's true.
	** In other word counts apologists excluded many words (words with suffixes, words with prefixes, dual and plural forms..), because they weren't "basic form" enough. But when all the occurrences have a nice number, then suddenly there is no need to count only the "basic form" and all words are counted.		** In other word counts apologists excluded many words (words with suffixes, words with prefixes, dual and plural forms..), because they weren't "basic form" enough. But when all the occurrences have a nice number, then suddenly there is no need to count only the "basic form" and all words are counted. Also in the miracle "Righteous and wicked" the "righteous" had a double word count, because they are better. So why angels don't have a double word count over ''shaytans''? Shouldn't there be the same logic between righteous-wicked and angels-shaytans?

	==See also==		==See also==

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	[[Category:Miracles]]		[[Category:Miracles]]
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