Sun and light word count in the Qur'an - Revision history

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	This article lists all occurrences of the words sun (ٱلشَّمْس, ''ash-shams'') and light (ٱلنُّور, ''al-noor'') in the Qur'an to consider the claim that they both appear 33 times.		This article lists all occurrences of the words sun (ٱلشَّمْس, ''ash-shams'') and light (ٱلنُّور, ''al-noor'') in the Qur'an to consider the claim that they both appear 33 times.
	==Sun==		==Sun==

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	\|33\|\|91:1\|\|وَٱلشَّمْسِ\|\|by the sun [and the moon which follows it]		\|33\|\|91:1\|\|وَٱلشَّمْسِ\|\|by the sun [and the moon which follows it]
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	There are '''33 occurrences''', including 10 occurrences with a prefix ~~and including the word ''shamsan'' (the heat of sun)~~.		There are '''33 occurrences''', including 10 occurrences with a prefix.

	In calculating a total number, one must decide whether to count singular/plural versions and ones with/without prefixes/suffixes.		In calculating a total number, one must decide whether to count singular/plural versions and ones with/without prefixes/suffixes.
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	*The word "light" appears 43 times in all its forms		*The word "light" appears 43 times in all its forms

	*The word "sun" appears 23 times without any suffixes or prefixes~~. Or~~ only 22 times when the accusative ''alif'' suffix is excluded.		*The word "sun" appears 23 times without any suffixes or prefixes, or only 22 times when the accusative with the ''alif'' suffix is excluded.
	*The word "light" appears 27 times without any suffixes or prefixes. Or only 18 times when the accusative ''alif'' suffix is excluded.		*The word "light" appears 27 times without any suffixes or prefixes. Or only 18 times when the accusative with the ''alif'' suffix is excluded.

	*To get 33 occurrences in both words, one must exclude the forms with possessive pronoun suffixes like "their", "his", "our" and not excluding the accusative ''alif'' suffix and not excluding any prefixes.		*To get 33 occurrences in both words, one must exclude the forms with possessive pronoun suffixes like "their", "his", "our" and not excluding the accusative ''alif'' suffix and not excluding any prefixes.

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	This article lists all occurrences of the words sun (ٱلشَّمْس, ''ash-shams'') and light (ٱلنُّور, ''al-noor'') in the Qur'an to ~~analyze~~ the claim that they both appear 33 times.		This article lists all occurrences of the words sun (ٱلشَّمْس, ''ash-shams'') and light (ٱلنُّور, ''al-noor'') in the Qur'an to consider the claim that they both appear 33 times.
	==Sun==		==Sun==
	The "translation" column also includes the context of the word, so that we know what the Qur'an ~~actually~~ says about the sun~~. Whether scientific facts or unscientific nonsense~~.		The "translation" column also includes the context of the word, so that we know what the Qur'an says about the sun.

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	\|33\|\|91:1\|\|وَٱلشَّمْسِ\|\|by the sun [and the moon which follows it]		\|33\|\|91:1\|\|وَٱلشَّمْسِ\|\|by the sun [and the moon which follows it]
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	* The main subject of this article is the word ~~count, so~~ the ~~scientific inaccuracy~~ of ~~the verses and apologist excuses for them will be discussed in other articles~~.		There are '''33 occurrences''', including 10 occurrences with a prefix and including the word ''shamsan'' (the heat of sun).

	~~The word~~ count ~~is questionable. Should we count the words~~ with ~~the ''waw-'' (و) or ''bi-'' (ب) prefix? Should we count the word ''shamsan'' in the verse 76:13?~~		In calculating a total number, one must decide whether to count singular/plural versions and ones with/without prefixes/suffixes.

	~~We have '''33 occurrences''', including 10 occurrences with a prefix and including the word ''shamsan'' (the heat of sun)~~.

	==Light==		==Light==
	~~Light is an interesting scientific subject, so in~~ the translation column, ~~there is also~~ the context of the word~~. So that we can analyze whether the Qur'an tells us some interesting scientific facts, or whether it rather speaks poetically over and over again how Allah~~ is ~~"light", or leads to the "light"~~.		In the translation column, the context of the word is included.

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	\|43\|\|71:16\|\|27 نُورًا\|\|[Allah made the Moon to be] a light [in heaven]		\|43\|\|71:16\|\|27 نُورًا\|\|[Allah made the Moon to be] a light [in heaven]
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	* (*) In the verse 10:5, the word ''noor'' is sometimes translated as "a reflected light" to hide the ignorance of the author of the Qur'an about the fact that the Moon does not have its own light, but a reflected light. But the word "reflected" is not present in the Arabic original.

	~~We have ''~~'~~43 occurrences~~''' ~~of this~~ word.		() In the verse 10:5, the word ''noor'' is sometimes translated as "a reflected light" to suggest scientific insight, however the word "reflected" is not present in the original Arabic.

	~~If we count only the occurrences:~~		There are '''43 occurrences''' of this word.
	* النور (''al-noor''~~) - the light~~
	* نور (''~~noor'') - a light~~
	* نورا (''nooran'') - a light (accusative)
	~~We get 27~~ occurrences~~. Even when counting the accusative form with the suffixed ا ('~~'~~alif~~''~~) we still fail to get to the number 33~~.

	~~As it turns out~~, ~~apologists excluded~~ only the forms with possessive pronoun suffixes like "his", "our" and "their", but ~~did~~ not exclude the forms with prefixes like "and", "with", "for"~~. That way they excluded the 10 forms counted in the "Translation" column~~. This method ~~of word count is very specific and questionable~~.		If only the following forms are counted:

			*النور (''al-noor'') - the light
			*نور (''noor'') - a light
			*نورا (''nooran'') - a light (accusative)

			there are 27 occurrences. When counting the accusative form with the suffixed ا (''alif'') the count of 33 is likewise not attained.

			To achieve a count of 33, one must exclude only the forms with possessive pronoun suffixes like "his", "our" and "their", but not exclude the forms with prefixes like "and", "with", "for". This counting method appears to be arbitrary.
	===Muneer===		===Muneer===
	There is also the word ''muneer'' (enlightening) from the same root نور (n-w-r) which is sometimes translated as "light":		There is also the word ''muneer'' (enlightening) from the same root نور (n-w-r) which is sometimes translated as "light":
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	==~~Conclusions~~==		==Observations==
	~~This word count is questionable because there are many ways of counting.~~

	* The word "sun" appears 33 times in all its forms		*The word "sun" appears 33 times in all its forms
	* The word "light" appears 43 times in all its forms		*The word "light" appears 43 times in all its forms

	* The word "sun" appears 23 times without any suffixes or prefixes. Or only 22 times when ~~we also don't count~~ the accusative ''alif'' suffix.		*The word "sun" appears 23 times without any suffixes or prefixes. Or only 22 times when the accusative ''alif'' suffix is excluded.
	* The word "light" appears 27 times without any suffixes or prefixes. Or only 18 times when ~~we also don't count~~ the accusative ''alif'' suffix.		*The word "light" appears 27 times without any suffixes or prefixes. Or only 18 times when the accusative ''alif'' suffix is excluded.

	* ~~The way to~~ get 33 occurrences in both ~~of them is by excluding~~ the forms with possessive pronoun suffixes like "their", "his", "our" and not excluding the accusative ''alif'' suffix and not excluding any prefixes.		*To get 33 occurrences in both words, one must exclude the forms with possessive pronoun suffixes like "their", "his", "our" and not excluding the accusative ''alif'' suffix and not excluding any prefixes.
	** ~~Calling these occurrences "simple forms"~~ is ~~misleading, because how can words with suffixes be counted as "~~not ~~simple forms~~" ~~and words with prefixes as "simple forms~~"~~? If the phrase "simple form" means anything, then it should be a word without any prefixes or suffixes!~~		**This exclusion appears arbitrary, and is not employed consistently or even at all order to achieve other word count "miracles"

	==See also==		==See also==
	* [[Word Count Miracles in the Qur'an]]
	* [[365 days miracle in the Quran\|"365 days miracle" in the Qur'an]]		*[[Word Count Miracles in the Qur'an]]
	* [[12 months miracle in the Quran\|"12 months miracle" in the Qur'an]]		*[[365 days miracle in the Quran\|"365 days miracle" in the Qur'an]]
	* [[Man and woman word count]]		*[[12 months miracle in the Quran\|"12 months miracle" in the Qur'an]]
	* [[Dunya and akhira word count in the Qur'an]]		*[[Man and woman word count]]
	* [[Paradise and hell word count in the Qur'an]]		*[[Dunya and akhira word count in the Qur'an]]
	* [[Iman and kufr word count in the Qur'an]]		*[[Paradise and hell word count in the Qur'an]]
	* [[Land to water ratio miracle in the Qur'an]]		*[[Iman and kufr word count in the Qur'an]]
			*[[Land to water ratio miracle in the Qur'an]]

	[[Category:Miracles]]		[[Category:Miracles]]

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	This article lists all occurrences of the words sun (ٱلشَّمْس, ''ash-shams'') and light (ٱلنُّور, ''al-noor'') in the Qur'an to analyze the claim that they both appear 33 times.		This article lists all occurrences of the words sun (ٱلشَّمْس, ''ash-shams'') and light (ٱلنُّور, ''al-noor'') in the Qur'an to analyze the claim that they both appear 33 times.
	==Sun==		==Sun==

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Conclusions

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	* The way to get 33 occurrences in both of them is by excluding the forms with possessive pronoun suffixes like "their", "his", "our" and not excluding the accusative ''alif'' suffix and not excluding any prefixes.		* The way to get 33 occurrences in both of them is by excluding the forms with possessive pronoun suffixes like "their", "his", "our" and not excluding the accusative ''alif'' suffix and not excluding any prefixes.
			** Calling these occurrences "simple forms" is misleading, because how can words with suffixes be counted as "not simple forms" and words with prefixes as "simple forms"? If the phrase "simple form" means anything, then it should be a word without any prefixes or suffixes!

	==See also==		==See also==

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	* The word "sun" appears 23 times without any suffixes or prefixes. Or only 22 times when we also don't count the accusative ''alif'' suffix.		* The word "sun" appears 23 times without any suffixes or prefixes. Or only 22 times when we also don't count the accusative ''alif'' suffix.
	* ~~THe~~ word "light" appears 27 times without any suffixes or prefixes. Or only 18 times when we also don't count the accusative ''alif'' suffix.		* The word "light" appears 27 times without any suffixes or prefixes. Or only 18 times when we also don't count the accusative ''alif'' suffix.

	* The way to get 33 occurrences in both of them is by excluding the forms with possessive pronoun suffixes like "their", "his", "our" and not excluding the accusative ''alif'' suffix and not excluding any prefixes.		* The way to get 33 occurrences in both of them is by excluding the forms with possessive pronoun suffixes like "their", "his", "our" and not excluding the accusative ''alif'' suffix and not excluding any prefixes.

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Conclusions

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	* The word "light" appears 43 times in all its forms		* The word "light" appears 43 times in all its forms

	* The word "sun" appears 23 times without any suffixes or prefixes. Or 22 times when we don't count the accusative ''alif'' suffix.		* The word "sun" appears 23 times without any suffixes or prefixes. Or only 22 times when we also don't count the accusative ''alif'' suffix.
	* THe word "light" appears 27 times without any suffixes or prefixes. Or 18 times when we don't count the accusative ''alif'' suffix.		* THe word "light" appears 27 times without any suffixes or prefixes. Or only 18 times when we also don't count the accusative ''alif'' suffix.

	* The way to get 33 occurrences in both of them is by excluding the forms with possessive pronoun suffixes like "their", "his", "our" and not excluding the accusative ''alif'' suffix and not excluding any prefixes.		* The way to get 33 occurrences in both of them is by excluding the forms with possessive pronoun suffixes like "their", "his", "our" and not excluding the accusative ''alif'' suffix and not excluding any prefixes.

			==See also==
			* [[Word Count Miracles in the Qur'an]]
			* [[365 days miracle in the Quran\|"365 days miracle" in the Qur'an]]
			* [[12 months miracle in the Quran\|"12 months miracle" in the Qur'an]]
			* [[Man and woman word count]]
			* [[Dunya and akhira word count in the Qur'an]]
			* [[Paradise and hell word count in the Qur'an]]
			* [[Iman and kufr word count in the Qur'an]]
			* [[Land to water ratio miracle in the Qur'an]]

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	[[Category:Miracles]]		[[Category:Miracles]]
			[[Category:Apologetics]]

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	* [[Land to water ratio miracle in the Qur'an]]		* [[Land to water ratio miracle in the Qur'an]]

			[[Category:Miracles]]