Talk:Not All Muslims Are Terrorists - Revision history

Axius at 02:01, 30 January 2016

2016-01-30T02:01:15Z

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	:I havent looked into this in much detail but is this the ref you're looking for? If so, please add the ref to the page too (the full text, just like its used in the page I linked). [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins#cite_note-alMiqdaam-32] --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 06:53, 28 January 2016 (EST)		:I havent looked into this in much detail but is this the ref you're looking for? If so, please add the ref to the page too (the full text, just like its used in the page I linked). [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins#cite_note-alMiqdaam-32] --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 06:53, 28 January 2016 (EST)
	Thanks - I followed your link, and found the hadith quotation. Copying that into search engines yielded many sources (including <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=6hQb4as83J0C&lpg=PA203&ots=bxIO430Jtb&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA203#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=VGXMBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA63&ots=wH9idQ-gFr&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA63#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> and <ref>http://www.hadithanswers.com/the-six-bounties-of-a-martyr-shahid/</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=dpODBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT326&lpg=PT326&dq=%22The+martyr%22+%22seventy+of+his+relatives.%22&source=bl&ots=WRbu5S4VhT&sig=14y4FR8kK1iElkt8FW5EGWnPvjI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin_p220s3KAhVBzGMKHRU-Ar0Q6AEILTAE#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref>) I suggest someone with editing privileges should add these or other source links to the article sentence about relatives. Most of the discussions about that particular hadith seem to focus on the 70 whores (sp?), which might motivate lone gunmen, but plenty of other religions can produce lone gunmen. A doctrine that can motivate a conspiracy of up to 70 related accessories (before and after the fact) to support attacks is much more difficult to deal with using western legal standards.[[User:Curious\|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious\|talk]]) 22:32, 28 January 2016 (EST)		Thanks - I followed your link, and found the hadith quotation. Copying that into search engines yielded many sources (including <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=6hQb4as83J0C&lpg=PA203&ots=bxIO430Jtb&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA203#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=VGXMBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA63&ots=wH9idQ-gFr&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA63#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> and <ref>http://www.hadithanswers.com/the-six-bounties-of-a-martyr-shahid/</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=dpODBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT326&lpg=PT326&dq=%22The+martyr%22+%22seventy+of+his+relatives.%22&source=bl&ots=WRbu5S4VhT&sig=14y4FR8kK1iElkt8FW5EGWnPvjI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin_p220s3KAhVBzGMKHRU-Ar0Q6AEILTAE#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref>) I suggest someone with editing privileges should add these or other source links to the article sentence about relatives. Most of the discussions about that particular hadith seem to focus on the 70 whores (sp?), which might motivate lone gunmen, but plenty of other religions can produce lone gunmen. A doctrine that can motivate a conspiracy of up to 70 related accessories (before and after the fact) to support attacks is much more difficult to deal with using western legal standards.[[User:Curious\|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious\|talk]]) 22:32, 28 January 2016 (EST)
			:This is nice but it doesnt quote the relevant full texts, which we should do when the issue is controversial (likely to be contested). Is it the same text as I linked?
			:As for your additional other than the ref itself, we cant do that since its an essay by "Citizen Warrior" so we cant make major changes to it that could be attributed to the original author. Best to just give a ref to the existed statements. --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 21:01, 29 January 2016 (EST)

Curious: grammar

2016-01-29T03:35:12Z

grammar

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	The article says, "The martyr can plea to Allah (once he arrives in Paradise) on behalf of up to seventy of his relatives to get them a ticket to Paradise." The same sentence occurs on multiple websites, but I cannot find a source supporting it. Most of the sites have a dead link at the end of the paragraph.<ref>https://feeds.feedburner.com/CitizenWarrior</ref><ref>http://www.dailyunconstitutional.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam-part-6-3033/</ref><ref>http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/03/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref><ref>http://nocompulsion.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam/</ref><ref>http://solsticewitch13.blogspot.com/2016/01/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref> WikiIslam has a working link, but it does not appear to say what the sentence says. I have tried to add a "citation needed" tag, but that page doesn't exist on WikiIslam. Please advise?[[User:Curious\|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious\|talk]]) 22:32, 27 January 2016 (EST)		The article says, "The martyr can plea to Allah (once he arrives in Paradise) on behalf of up to seventy of his relatives to get them a ticket to Paradise." The same sentence occurs on multiple websites, but I cannot find a source supporting it. Most of the sites have a dead link at the end of the paragraph.<ref>https://feeds.feedburner.com/CitizenWarrior</ref><ref>http://www.dailyunconstitutional.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam-part-6-3033/</ref><ref>http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/03/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref><ref>http://nocompulsion.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam/</ref><ref>http://solsticewitch13.blogspot.com/2016/01/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref> WikiIslam has a working link, but it does not appear to say what the sentence says. I have tried to add a "citation needed" tag, but that page doesn't exist on WikiIslam. Please advise?[[User:Curious\|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious\|talk]]) 22:32, 27 January 2016 (EST)
	:I havent looked into this in much detail but is this the ref you're looking for? If so, please add the ref to the page too (the full text, just like its used in the page I linked). [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins#cite_note-alMiqdaam-32] --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 06:53, 28 January 2016 (EST)		:I havent looked into this in much detail but is this the ref you're looking for? If so, please add the ref to the page too (the full text, just like its used in the page I linked). [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins#cite_note-alMiqdaam-32] --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 06:53, 28 January 2016 (EST)
	Thanks - I followed your link, and found the hadith quotation. Copying that into search engines yielded many sources (including <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=6hQb4as83J0C&lpg=PA203&ots=bxIO430Jtb&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA203#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=VGXMBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA63&ots=wH9idQ-gFr&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA63#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> and <ref>http://www.hadithanswers.com/the-six-bounties-of-a-martyr-shahid/</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=dpODBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT326&lpg=PT326&dq=%22The+martyr%22+%22seventy+of+his+relatives.%22&source=bl&ots=WRbu5S4VhT&sig=14y4FR8kK1iElkt8FW5EGWnPvjI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin_p220s3KAhVBzGMKHRU-Ar0Q6AEILTAE#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref>) I suggest someone with ~~edit~~ privileges should add these or other source links to the sentence about relatives. Most of the ~~discussion~~ about that particular hadith ~~seems~~ to focus on the 70 whores (sp?), which might motivate a lone gunmen, but plenty of other religions can produce lone gunmen. A doctrine that can motivate a conspiracy of up to 70 related accessories (before and after the fact) to support attacks is much more difficult to deal with using western legal standards.[[User:Curious\|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious\|talk]]) 22:32, 28 January 2016 (EST)		Thanks - I followed your link, and found the hadith quotation. Copying that into search engines yielded many sources (including <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=6hQb4as83J0C&lpg=PA203&ots=bxIO430Jtb&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA203#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=VGXMBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA63&ots=wH9idQ-gFr&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA63#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> and <ref>http://www.hadithanswers.com/the-six-bounties-of-a-martyr-shahid/</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=dpODBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT326&lpg=PT326&dq=%22The+martyr%22+%22seventy+of+his+relatives.%22&source=bl&ots=WRbu5S4VhT&sig=14y4FR8kK1iElkt8FW5EGWnPvjI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin_p220s3KAhVBzGMKHRU-Ar0Q6AEILTAE#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref>) I suggest someone with editing privileges should add these or other source links to the article sentence about relatives. Most of the discussions about that particular hadith seem to focus on the 70 whores (sp?), which might motivate lone gunmen, but plenty of other religions can produce lone gunmen. A doctrine that can motivate a conspiracy of up to 70 related accessories (before and after the fact) to support attacks is much more difficult to deal with using western legal standards.[[User:Curious\|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious\|talk]]) 22:32, 28 January 2016 (EST)

Curious: fixing date - I posted the question yesterday

2016-01-29T03:33:30Z

fixing date - I posted the question yesterday

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	The article says, "The martyr can plea to Allah (once he arrives in Paradise) on behalf of up to seventy of his relatives to get them a ticket to Paradise." The same sentence occurs on multiple websites, but I cannot find a source supporting it. Most of the sites have a dead link at the end of the paragraph.<ref>https://feeds.feedburner.com/CitizenWarrior</ref><ref>http://www.dailyunconstitutional.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam-part-6-3033/</ref><ref>http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/03/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref><ref>http://nocompulsion.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam/</ref><ref>http://solsticewitch13.blogspot.com/2016/01/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref> WikiIslam has a working link, but it does not appear to say what the sentence says. I have tried to add a "citation needed" tag, but that page doesn't exist on WikiIslam. Please advise?[[User:Curious\|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious\|talk]]) 22:32, 28 January 2016 (EST)		The article says, "The martyr can plea to Allah (once he arrives in Paradise) on behalf of up to seventy of his relatives to get them a ticket to Paradise." The same sentence occurs on multiple websites, but I cannot find a source supporting it. Most of the sites have a dead link at the end of the paragraph.<ref>https://feeds.feedburner.com/CitizenWarrior</ref><ref>http://www.dailyunconstitutional.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam-part-6-3033/</ref><ref>http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/03/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref><ref>http://nocompulsion.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam/</ref><ref>http://solsticewitch13.blogspot.com/2016/01/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref> WikiIslam has a working link, but it does not appear to say what the sentence says. I have tried to add a "citation needed" tag, but that page doesn't exist on WikiIslam. Please advise?[[User:Curious\|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious\|talk]]) 22:32, 27 January 2016 (EST)
	:I havent looked into this in much detail but is this the ref you're looking for? If so, please add the ref to the page too (the full text, just like its used in the page I linked). [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins#cite_note-alMiqdaam-32] --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 06:53, 28 January 2016 (EST)		:I havent looked into this in much detail but is this the ref you're looking for? If so, please add the ref to the page too (the full text, just like its used in the page I linked). [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins#cite_note-alMiqdaam-32] --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 06:53, 28 January 2016 (EST)
	Thanks - I followed your link, and found the hadith quotation. Copying that into search engines yielded many sources (including <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=6hQb4as83J0C&lpg=PA203&ots=bxIO430Jtb&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA203#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=VGXMBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA63&ots=wH9idQ-gFr&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA63#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> and <ref>http://www.hadithanswers.com/the-six-bounties-of-a-martyr-shahid/</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=dpODBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT326&lpg=PT326&dq=%22The+martyr%22+%22seventy+of+his+relatives.%22&source=bl&ots=WRbu5S4VhT&sig=14y4FR8kK1iElkt8FW5EGWnPvjI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin_p220s3KAhVBzGMKHRU-Ar0Q6AEILTAE#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref>) I suggest someone with edit privileges should add these or other source links to the sentence about relatives. Most of the discussion about that particular hadith seems to focus on the 70 whores (sp?), which might motivate a lone gunmen, but plenty of other religions can produce lone gunmen. A doctrine that can motivate a conspiracy of up to 70 related accessories (before and after the fact) to support attacks is much more difficult to deal with using western legal standards.[[User:Curious\|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious\|talk]]) 22:32, 28 January 2016 (EST)		Thanks - I followed your link, and found the hadith quotation. Copying that into search engines yielded many sources (including <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=6hQb4as83J0C&lpg=PA203&ots=bxIO430Jtb&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA203#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=VGXMBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA63&ots=wH9idQ-gFr&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA63#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> and <ref>http://www.hadithanswers.com/the-six-bounties-of-a-martyr-shahid/</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=dpODBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT326&lpg=PT326&dq=%22The+martyr%22+%22seventy+of+his+relatives.%22&source=bl&ots=WRbu5S4VhT&sig=14y4FR8kK1iElkt8FW5EGWnPvjI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin_p220s3KAhVBzGMKHRU-Ar0Q6AEILTAE#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref>) I suggest someone with edit privileges should add these or other source links to the sentence about relatives. Most of the discussion about that particular hadith seems to focus on the 70 whores (sp?), which might motivate a lone gunmen, but plenty of other religions can produce lone gunmen. A doctrine that can motivate a conspiracy of up to 70 related accessories (before and after the fact) to support attacks is much more difficult to deal with using western legal standards.[[User:Curious\|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious\|talk]]) 22:32, 28 January 2016 (EST)

Curious: signing

2016-01-29T03:32:52Z

signing

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	The article says, "The martyr can plea to Allah (once he arrives in Paradise) on behalf of up to seventy of his relatives to get them a ticket to Paradise." The same sentence occurs on multiple websites, but I cannot find a source supporting it. Most of the sites have a dead link at the end of the paragraph.<ref>https://feeds.feedburner.com/CitizenWarrior</ref><ref>http://www.dailyunconstitutional.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam-part-6-3033/</ref><ref>http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/03/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref><ref>http://nocompulsion.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam/</ref><ref>http://solsticewitch13.blogspot.com/2016/01/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref> WikiIslam has a working link, but it does not appear to say what the sentence says. I have tried to add a "citation needed" tag, but that page doesn't exist on WikiIslam. Please advise?		The article says, "The martyr can plea to Allah (once he arrives in Paradise) on behalf of up to seventy of his relatives to get them a ticket to Paradise." The same sentence occurs on multiple websites, but I cannot find a source supporting it. Most of the sites have a dead link at the end of the paragraph.<ref>https://feeds.feedburner.com/CitizenWarrior</ref><ref>http://www.dailyunconstitutional.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam-part-6-3033/</ref><ref>http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/03/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref><ref>http://nocompulsion.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam/</ref><ref>http://solsticewitch13.blogspot.com/2016/01/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref> WikiIslam has a working link, but it does not appear to say what the sentence says. I have tried to add a "citation needed" tag, but that page doesn't exist on WikiIslam. Please advise?[[User:Curious\|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious\|talk]]) 22:32, 28 January 2016 (EST)
	:I havent looked into this in much detail but is this the ref you're looking for? If so, please add the ref to the page too (the full text, just like its used in the page I linked). [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins#cite_note-alMiqdaam-32] --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 06:53, 28 January 2016 (EST)		:I havent looked into this in much detail but is this the ref you're looking for? If so, please add the ref to the page too (the full text, just like its used in the page I linked). [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins#cite_note-alMiqdaam-32] --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 06:53, 28 January 2016 (EST)
	Thanks - I followed your link, and found the hadith quotation. Copying that into search engines yielded many sources (including <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=6hQb4as83J0C&lpg=PA203&ots=bxIO430Jtb&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA203#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=VGXMBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA63&ots=wH9idQ-gFr&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA63#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> and <ref>http://www.hadithanswers.com/the-six-bounties-of-a-martyr-shahid/</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=dpODBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT326&lpg=PT326&dq=%22The+martyr%22+%22seventy+of+his+relatives.%22&source=bl&ots=WRbu5S4VhT&sig=14y4FR8kK1iElkt8FW5EGWnPvjI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin_p220s3KAhVBzGMKHRU-Ar0Q6AEILTAE#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref>) I suggest someone with edit privileges should add these or other source links to the sentence about relatives. Most of the discussion about that particular hadith seems to focus on the 70 whores (sp?), which might motivate a lone gunmen, but plenty of other religions can produce lone gunmen. A doctrine that can motivate a conspiracy of up to 70 related accessories (before and after the fact) to support attacks is much more difficult to deal with using western legal standards.[[User:Curious\|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious\|talk]]) 22:32, 28 January 2016 (EST)		Thanks - I followed your link, and found the hadith quotation. Copying that into search engines yielded many sources (including <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=6hQb4as83J0C&lpg=PA203&ots=bxIO430Jtb&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA203#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=VGXMBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA63&ots=wH9idQ-gFr&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA63#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> and <ref>http://www.hadithanswers.com/the-six-bounties-of-a-martyr-shahid/</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=dpODBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT326&lpg=PT326&dq=%22The+martyr%22+%22seventy+of+his+relatives.%22&source=bl&ots=WRbu5S4VhT&sig=14y4FR8kK1iElkt8FW5EGWnPvjI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin_p220s3KAhVBzGMKHRU-Ar0Q6AEILTAE#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref>) I suggest someone with edit privileges should add these or other source links to the sentence about relatives. Most of the discussion about that particular hadith seems to focus on the 70 whores (sp?), which might motivate a lone gunmen, but plenty of other religions can produce lone gunmen. A doctrine that can motivate a conspiracy of up to 70 related accessories (before and after the fact) to support attacks is much more difficult to deal with using western legal standards.[[User:Curious\|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious\|talk]]) 22:32, 28 January 2016 (EST)

Curious: signing

2016-01-29T03:32:27Z

signing

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	The article says, "The martyr can plea to Allah (once he arrives in Paradise) on behalf of up to seventy of his relatives to get them a ticket to Paradise." The same sentence occurs on multiple websites, but I cannot find a source supporting it. Most of the sites have a dead link at the end of the paragraph.<ref>https://feeds.feedburner.com/CitizenWarrior</ref><ref>http://www.dailyunconstitutional.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam-part-6-3033/</ref><ref>http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/03/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref><ref>http://nocompulsion.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam/</ref><ref>http://solsticewitch13.blogspot.com/2016/01/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref> WikiIslam has a working link, but it does not appear to say what the sentence says. I have tried to add a "citation needed" tag, but that page doesn't exist on WikiIslam. Please advise?		The article says, "The martyr can plea to Allah (once he arrives in Paradise) on behalf of up to seventy of his relatives to get them a ticket to Paradise." The same sentence occurs on multiple websites, but I cannot find a source supporting it. Most of the sites have a dead link at the end of the paragraph.<ref>https://feeds.feedburner.com/CitizenWarrior</ref><ref>http://www.dailyunconstitutional.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam-part-6-3033/</ref><ref>http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/03/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref><ref>http://nocompulsion.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam/</ref><ref>http://solsticewitch13.blogspot.com/2016/01/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref> WikiIslam has a working link, but it does not appear to say what the sentence says. I have tried to add a "citation needed" tag, but that page doesn't exist on WikiIslam. Please advise?
	:I havent looked into this in much detail but is this the ref you're looking for? If so, please add the ref to the page too (the full text, just like its used in the page I linked). [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins#cite_note-alMiqdaam-32] --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 06:53, 28 January 2016 (EST)		:I havent looked into this in much detail but is this the ref you're looking for? If so, please add the ref to the page too (the full text, just like its used in the page I linked). [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins#cite_note-alMiqdaam-32] --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 06:53, 28 January 2016 (EST)
	Thanks - I followed your link, and found the hadith quotation. Copying that into search engines yielded many sources (including <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=6hQb4as83J0C&lpg=PA203&ots=bxIO430Jtb&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA203#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=VGXMBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA63&ots=wH9idQ-gFr&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA63#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> and <ref>http://www.hadithanswers.com/the-six-bounties-of-a-martyr-shahid/</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=dpODBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT326&lpg=PT326&dq=%22The+martyr%22+%22seventy+of+his+relatives.%22&source=bl&ots=WRbu5S4VhT&sig=14y4FR8kK1iElkt8FW5EGWnPvjI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin_p220s3KAhVBzGMKHRU-Ar0Q6AEILTAE#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref>) I suggest someone with edit privileges should add these or other source links to the sentence about relatives. Most of the discussion about that particular hadith seems to focus on the 70 whores (sp?), which might motivate a lone gunmen, but plenty of other religions can produce lone gunmen. A doctrine that can motivate a conspiracy of up to 70 related accessories (before and after the fact) to support attacks is much more difficult to deal with using western legal standards.		Thanks - I followed your link, and found the hadith quotation. Copying that into search engines yielded many sources (including <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=6hQb4as83J0C&lpg=PA203&ots=bxIO430Jtb&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA203#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=VGXMBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA63&ots=wH9idQ-gFr&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA63#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> and <ref>http://www.hadithanswers.com/the-six-bounties-of-a-martyr-shahid/</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=dpODBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT326&lpg=PT326&dq=%22The+martyr%22+%22seventy+of+his+relatives.%22&source=bl&ots=WRbu5S4VhT&sig=14y4FR8kK1iElkt8FW5EGWnPvjI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin_p220s3KAhVBzGMKHRU-Ar0Q6AEILTAE#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref>) I suggest someone with edit privileges should add these or other source links to the sentence about relatives. Most of the discussion about that particular hadith seems to focus on the 70 whores (sp?), which might motivate a lone gunmen, but plenty of other religions can produce lone gunmen. A doctrine that can motivate a conspiracy of up to 70 related accessories (before and after the fact) to support attacks is much more difficult to deal with using western legal standards.[[User:Curious\|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious\|talk]]) 22:32, 28 January 2016 (EST)

Curious: thanks - replying with more sources

2016-01-29T03:30:14Z

thanks - replying with more sources

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	The article says, "The martyr can plea to Allah (once he arrives in Paradise) on behalf of up to seventy of his relatives to get them a ticket to Paradise." The same sentence occurs on multiple websites, but I cannot find a source supporting it. Most of the sites have a dead link at the end of the paragraph.<ref>https://feeds.feedburner.com/CitizenWarrior</ref><ref>http://www.dailyunconstitutional.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam-part-6-3033/</ref><ref>http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/03/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref><ref>http://nocompulsion.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam/</ref><ref>http://solsticewitch13.blogspot.com/2016/01/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref> WikiIslam has a working link, but it does not appear to say what the sentence says. I have tried to add a "citation needed" tag, but that page doesn't exist on WikiIslam. Please advise?		The article says, "The martyr can plea to Allah (once he arrives in Paradise) on behalf of up to seventy of his relatives to get them a ticket to Paradise." The same sentence occurs on multiple websites, but I cannot find a source supporting it. Most of the sites have a dead link at the end of the paragraph.<ref>https://feeds.feedburner.com/CitizenWarrior</ref><ref>http://www.dailyunconstitutional.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam-part-6-3033/</ref><ref>http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/03/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref><ref>http://nocompulsion.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam/</ref><ref>http://solsticewitch13.blogspot.com/2016/01/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref> WikiIslam has a working link, but it does not appear to say what the sentence says. I have tried to add a "citation needed" tag, but that page doesn't exist on WikiIslam. Please advise?
	:I havent looked into this in much detail but is this the ref you're looking for? If so, please add the ref to the page too (the full text, just like its used in the page I linked). [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins#cite_note-alMiqdaam-32] --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 06:53, 28 January 2016 (EST)		:I havent looked into this in much detail but is this the ref you're looking for? If so, please add the ref to the page too (the full text, just like its used in the page I linked). [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins#cite_note-alMiqdaam-32] --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 06:53, 28 January 2016 (EST)
			Thanks - I followed your link, and found the hadith quotation. Copying that into search engines yielded many sources (including <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=6hQb4as83J0C&lpg=PA203&ots=bxIO430Jtb&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA203#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=VGXMBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA63&ots=wH9idQ-gFr&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA63#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> and <ref>http://www.hadithanswers.com/the-six-bounties-of-a-martyr-shahid/</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=dpODBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT326&lpg=PT326&dq=%22The+martyr%22+%22seventy+of+his+relatives.%22&source=bl&ots=WRbu5S4VhT&sig=14y4FR8kK1iElkt8FW5EGWnPvjI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin_p220s3KAhVBzGMKHRU-Ar0Q6AEILTAE#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref>) I suggest someone with edit privileges should add these or other source links to the sentence about relatives. Most of the discussion about that particular hadith seems to focus on the 70 whores (sp?), which might motivate a lone gunmen, but plenty of other religions can produce lone gunmen. A doctrine that can motivate a conspiracy of up to 70 related accessories (before and after the fact) to support attacks is much more difficult to deal with using western legal standards.

Axius at 11:56, 28 January 2016

2016-01-28T11:56:12Z

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	The article says, "The martyr can plea to Allah (once he arrives in Paradise) on behalf of up to seventy of his relatives to get them a ticket to Paradise." The same sentence occurs on multiple websites, but I cannot find a source supporting it. Most of the sites have a dead link at the end of the paragraph.<ref>https://feeds.feedburner.com/CitizenWarrior</ref><ref>http://www.dailyunconstitutional.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam-part-6-3033/</ref><ref>http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/03/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref><ref>http://nocompulsion.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam/</ref><ref>http://solsticewitch13.blogspot.com/2016/01/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref> WikiIslam has a working link, but it does not appear to say what the sentence says. I have tried to add a "citation needed" tag, but that page doesn't exist on WikiIslam. Please advise?		The article says, "The martyr can plea to Allah (once he arrives in Paradise) on behalf of up to seventy of his relatives to get them a ticket to Paradise." The same sentence occurs on multiple websites, but I cannot find a source supporting it. Most of the sites have a dead link at the end of the paragraph.<ref>https://feeds.feedburner.com/CitizenWarrior</ref><ref>http://www.dailyunconstitutional.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam-part-6-3033/</ref><ref>http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/03/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref><ref>http://nocompulsion.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam/</ref><ref>http://solsticewitch13.blogspot.com/2016/01/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref> WikiIslam has a working link, but it does not appear to say what the sentence says. I have tried to add a "citation needed" tag, but that page doesn't exist on WikiIslam. Please advise?
	:I havent looked into this in much detail but is this the ref you're looking for? [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins#cite_note-alMiqdaam-32] --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 06:53, 28 January 2016 (EST)		:I havent looked into this in much detail but is this the ref you're looking for? If so, please add the ref to the page too (the full text, just like its used in the page I linked). [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins#cite_note-alMiqdaam-32] --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 06:53, 28 January 2016 (EST)

Axius: found a ref

2016-01-28T11:53:44Z

found a ref

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	The article says, "The martyr can plea to Allah (once he arrives in Paradise) on behalf of up to seventy of his relatives to get them a ticket to Paradise." The same sentence occurs on multiple websites, but I cannot find a source supporting it. Most of the sites have a dead link at the end of the paragraph.<ref>https://feeds.feedburner.com/CitizenWarrior</ref><ref>http://www.dailyunconstitutional.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam-part-6-3033/</ref><ref>http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/03/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref><ref>http://nocompulsion.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam/</ref><ref>http://solsticewitch13.blogspot.com/2016/01/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref> WikiIslam has a working link, but it does not appear to say what the sentence says. I have tried to add a "citation needed" tag, but that page doesn't exist on WikiIslam. Please advise?		The article says, "The martyr can plea to Allah (once he arrives in Paradise) on behalf of up to seventy of his relatives to get them a ticket to Paradise." The same sentence occurs on multiple websites, but I cannot find a source supporting it. Most of the sites have a dead link at the end of the paragraph.<ref>https://feeds.feedburner.com/CitizenWarrior</ref><ref>http://www.dailyunconstitutional.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam-part-6-3033/</ref><ref>http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/03/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref><ref>http://nocompulsion.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam/</ref><ref>http://solsticewitch13.blogspot.com/2016/01/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref> WikiIslam has a working link, but it does not appear to say what the sentence says. I have tried to add a "citation needed" tag, but that page doesn't exist on WikiIslam. Please advise?
			:I havent looked into this in much detail but is this the ref you're looking for? [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins#cite_note-alMiqdaam-32] --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 06:53, 28 January 2016 (EST)

Curious: adding ref links

2016-01-27T19:55:23Z

adding ref links

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	The article says, "The martyr can plea to Allah (once he arrives in Paradise) on behalf of up to seventy of his relatives to get them a ticket to Paradise." The same sentence occurs on multiple websites, but I cannot find a source supporting it. Most of the sites have a dead link at the end of the paragraph. WikiIslam has a working link, but it does not appear to say what the ~~article~~ says. I have tried to add a "citation needed" tag, but that page doesn't exist on WikiIslam. Please advise?		The article says, "The martyr can plea to Allah (once he arrives in Paradise) on behalf of up to seventy of his relatives to get them a ticket to Paradise." The same sentence occurs on multiple websites, but I cannot find a source supporting it. Most of the sites have a dead link at the end of the paragraph.<ref>https://feeds.feedburner.com/CitizenWarrior</ref><ref>http://www.dailyunconstitutional.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam-part-6-3033/</ref><ref>http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/03/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref><ref>http://nocompulsion.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam/</ref><ref>http://solsticewitch13.blogspot.com/2016/01/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref> WikiIslam has a working link, but it does not appear to say what the sentence says. I have tried to add a "citation needed" tag, but that page doesn't exist on WikiIslam. Please advise?

Curious: 70 relatives?

2016-01-27T19:49:07Z

70 relatives?

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The article says, "The martyr can plea to Allah (once he arrives in Paradise) on behalf of up to seventy of his relatives to get them a ticket to Paradise." The same sentence occurs on multiple websites, but I cannot find a source supporting it. Most of the sites have a dead link at the end of the paragraph. WikiIslam has a working link, but it does not appear to say what the article says. I have tried to add a "citation needed" tag, but that page doesn't exist on WikiIslam. Please advise?

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	The article says, "The martyr can plea to Allah (once he arrives in Paradise) on behalf of up to seventy of his relatives to get them a ticket to Paradise." The same sentence occurs on multiple websites, but I cannot find a source supporting it. Most of the sites have a dead link at the end of the paragraph.<ref>https://feeds.feedburner.com/CitizenWarrior</ref><ref>http://www.dailyunconstitutional.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam-part-6-3033/</ref><ref>http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/03/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref><ref>http://nocompulsion.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam/</ref><ref>http://solsticewitch13.blogspot.com/2016/01/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref> WikiIslam has a working link, but it does not appear to say what the sentence says. I have tried to add a "citation needed" tag, but that page doesn't exist on WikiIslam. Please advise?[[User:Curious\|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious\|talk]]) 22:32, 27 January 2016 (EST)		The article says, "The martyr can plea to Allah (once he arrives in Paradise) on behalf of up to seventy of his relatives to get them a ticket to Paradise." The same sentence occurs on multiple websites, but I cannot find a source supporting it. Most of the sites have a dead link at the end of the paragraph.<ref>https://feeds.feedburner.com/CitizenWarrior</ref><ref>http://www.dailyunconstitutional.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam-part-6-3033/</ref><ref>http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/03/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref><ref>http://nocompulsion.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam/</ref><ref>http://solsticewitch13.blogspot.com/2016/01/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref> WikiIslam has a working link, but it does not appear to say what the sentence says. I have tried to add a "citation needed" tag, but that page doesn't exist on WikiIslam. Please advise?[[User:Curious\|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious\|talk]]) 22:32, 27 January 2016 (EST)
	:I havent looked into this in much detail but is this the ref you're looking for? If so, please add the ref to the page too (the full text, just like its used in the page I linked). [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins#cite_note-alMiqdaam-32] --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 06:53, 28 January 2016 (EST)		:I havent looked into this in much detail but is this the ref you're looking for? If so, please add the ref to the page too (the full text, just like its used in the page I linked). [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins#cite_note-alMiqdaam-32] --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 06:53, 28 January 2016 (EST)
	Thanks - I followed your link, and found the hadith quotation. Copying that into search engines yielded many sources (including <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=6hQb4as83J0C&lpg=PA203&ots=bxIO430Jtb&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA203#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=VGXMBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA63&ots=wH9idQ-gFr&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA63#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> and <ref>http://www.hadithanswers.com/the-six-bounties-of-a-martyr-shahid/</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=dpODBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT326&lpg=PT326&dq=%22The+martyr%22+%22seventy+of+his+relatives.%22&source=bl&ots=WRbu5S4VhT&sig=14y4FR8kK1iElkt8FW5EGWnPvjI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin_p220s3KAhVBzGMKHRU-Ar0Q6AEILTAE#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref>) I suggest someone with ~~edit~~ privileges should add these or other source links to the sentence about relatives. Most of the ~~discussion~~ about that particular hadith ~~seems~~ to focus on the 70 whores (sp?), which might motivate a lone gunmen, but plenty of other religions can produce lone gunmen. A doctrine that can motivate a conspiracy of up to 70 related accessories (before and after the fact) to support attacks is much more difficult to deal with using western legal standards.[[User:Curious\|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious\|talk]]) 22:32, 28 January 2016 (EST)		Thanks - I followed your link, and found the hadith quotation. Copying that into search engines yielded many sources (including <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=6hQb4as83J0C&lpg=PA203&ots=bxIO430Jtb&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA203#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=VGXMBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA63&ots=wH9idQ-gFr&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA63#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> and <ref>http://www.hadithanswers.com/the-six-bounties-of-a-martyr-shahid/</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=dpODBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT326&lpg=PT326&dq=%22The+martyr%22+%22seventy+of+his+relatives.%22&source=bl&ots=WRbu5S4VhT&sig=14y4FR8kK1iElkt8FW5EGWnPvjI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin_p220s3KAhVBzGMKHRU-Ar0Q6AEILTAE#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref>) I suggest someone with editing privileges should add these or other source links to the article sentence about relatives. Most of the discussions about that particular hadith seem to focus on the 70 whores (sp?), which might motivate lone gunmen, but plenty of other religions can produce lone gunmen. A doctrine that can motivate a conspiracy of up to 70 related accessories (before and after the fact) to support attacks is much more difficult to deal with using western legal standards.[[User:Curious\|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious\|talk]]) 22:32, 28 January 2016 (EST)

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	The article says, "The martyr can plea to Allah (once he arrives in Paradise) on behalf of up to seventy of his relatives to get them a ticket to Paradise." The same sentence occurs on multiple websites, but I cannot find a source supporting it. Most of the sites have a dead link at the end of the paragraph.<ref>https://feeds.feedburner.com/CitizenWarrior</ref><ref>http://www.dailyunconstitutional.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam-part-6-3033/</ref><ref>http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/03/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref><ref>http://nocompulsion.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam/</ref><ref>http://solsticewitch13.blogspot.com/2016/01/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref> WikiIslam has a working link, but it does not appear to say what the sentence says. I have tried to add a "citation needed" tag, but that page doesn't exist on WikiIslam. Please advise?[[User:Curious\|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious\|talk]]) 22:32, 28 January 2016 (EST)		The article says, "The martyr can plea to Allah (once he arrives in Paradise) on behalf of up to seventy of his relatives to get them a ticket to Paradise." The same sentence occurs on multiple websites, but I cannot find a source supporting it. Most of the sites have a dead link at the end of the paragraph.<ref>https://feeds.feedburner.com/CitizenWarrior</ref><ref>http://www.dailyunconstitutional.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam-part-6-3033/</ref><ref>http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/03/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref><ref>http://nocompulsion.com/answers-to-objections-when-you-talk-about-islam/</ref><ref>http://solsticewitch13.blogspot.com/2016/01/not-all-muslims-are-terrorists.html</ref> WikiIslam has a working link, but it does not appear to say what the sentence says. I have tried to add a "citation needed" tag, but that page doesn't exist on WikiIslam. Please advise?[[User:Curious\|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious\|talk]]) 22:32, 27 January 2016 (EST)
	:I havent looked into this in much detail but is this the ref you're looking for? If so, please add the ref to the page too (the full text, just like its used in the page I linked). [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins#cite_note-alMiqdaam-32] --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 06:53, 28 January 2016 (EST)		:I havent looked into this in much detail but is this the ref you're looking for? If so, please add the ref to the page too (the full text, just like its used in the page I linked). [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins#cite_note-alMiqdaam-32] --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 06:53, 28 January 2016 (EST)
	Thanks - I followed your link, and found the hadith quotation. Copying that into search engines yielded many sources (including <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=6hQb4as83J0C&lpg=PA203&ots=bxIO430Jtb&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA203#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=VGXMBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA63&ots=wH9idQ-gFr&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA63#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> and <ref>http://www.hadithanswers.com/the-six-bounties-of-a-martyr-shahid/</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=dpODBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT326&lpg=PT326&dq=%22The+martyr%22+%22seventy+of+his+relatives.%22&source=bl&ots=WRbu5S4VhT&sig=14y4FR8kK1iElkt8FW5EGWnPvjI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin_p220s3KAhVBzGMKHRU-Ar0Q6AEILTAE#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref>) I suggest someone with edit privileges should add these or other source links to the sentence about relatives. Most of the discussion about that particular hadith seems to focus on the 70 whores (sp?), which might motivate a lone gunmen, but plenty of other religions can produce lone gunmen. A doctrine that can motivate a conspiracy of up to 70 related accessories (before and after the fact) to support attacks is much more difficult to deal with using western legal standards.[[User:Curious\|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious\|talk]]) 22:32, 28 January 2016 (EST)		Thanks - I followed your link, and found the hadith quotation. Copying that into search engines yielded many sources (including <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=6hQb4as83J0C&lpg=PA203&ots=bxIO430Jtb&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA203#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=VGXMBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA63&ots=wH9idQ-gFr&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA63#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> and <ref>http://www.hadithanswers.com/the-six-bounties-of-a-martyr-shahid/</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=dpODBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT326&lpg=PT326&dq=%22The+martyr%22+%22seventy+of+his+relatives.%22&source=bl&ots=WRbu5S4VhT&sig=14y4FR8kK1iElkt8FW5EGWnPvjI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin_p220s3KAhVBzGMKHRU-Ar0Q6AEILTAE#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref>) I suggest someone with edit privileges should add these or other source links to the sentence about relatives. Most of the discussion about that particular hadith seems to focus on the 70 whores (sp?), which might motivate a lone gunmen, but plenty of other religions can produce lone gunmen. A doctrine that can motivate a conspiracy of up to 70 related accessories (before and after the fact) to support attacks is much more difficult to deal with using western legal standards.[[User:Curious\|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious\|talk]]) 22:32, 28 January 2016 (EST)