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IbnPinker at 04:49, 10 November 2020

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Sahab at 09:14, 31 July 2013

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	:We are not a forum. If you need help with Arabic, go to a language forum or [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/ FaithFreedom International] and ask for help. Thanks. [[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 10:25, 11 June 2013 (PDT)		:We are not a forum. If you need help with Arabic, go to a language forum or [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/ FaithFreedom International] and ask for help. Thanks. [[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 10:25, 11 June 2013 (PDT)

	~~Hello.~~

	~~I need help please. I not speack english but I understand a little.~~

	~~It's about the "Dead Sea miracle".~~

	~~Muslims says that in the Quran it is mentionned that the Dead Sea is the lower land of the Earth and that the usual translation is an error.~~

	~~See that please :~~

	~~http://quran-m.com/firas/france/index.php/dans-lunivers/122-le-point-le-plus-bas-de-la-terre~~

	''Dans le troisième verset de la sourate ar-Roûm, nous apprenons que les Romains ont été vaincus dans la région la plus basse de la Terre. Cette expression, "adnâ al-ard" en arabe, a été interprétée dans la plupart des traductions comme signifiant "un endroit voisin". Cependant, ce n'est pas le sens littéral de l'expression, mais plutôt une interprétation au sens figuré. Le mot ‘adnâ’ en arabe est dérivé du mot ‘ânî’ qui signifie bas, et ‘ard’ signifie la Terre. Donc , l'expression ‘adnâ al-ard’ signifie "l'endroit le plus bas de la Terre ".''

	"In the third verse of Surat ar-Rum, we learn that the Romans have been defeated in the lowest region of the Earth. This expression, "Adna al Ard" in Arabic, has been interpreted in most translations as meaning "a nearby place". However, this is not the literal meaning of the term, but rather an interpretation figuratively. The word 'Adna' is derived from the Arabic word 'ani' means low, and 'ard' meaning Earth. So the expression 'Adna al Ard "means" the lowest place on Earth. ""


	~~http://www.examinethetruth.com/omars_response_to_sina1.htm~~

	~~Here, a muslim says :~~

	~~These translations are outdated and contain various other errors in them.~~

	~~"This is of course wishful thinking of a deluded believer and the absurdity of that is self-evident. The Romans were not defeated in the Red Sea but in Jerusalem and Jerusalem is above sea level."~~

	~~The word "fi" means "near" or “beside” too. The Romans were defeated near the Dead Sea, which is true.~~

	~~"If we had to take Mr. Ahmed for his word and disregard the obvious meaning of the word, this verse would have become yet another blunder of Muhammad."~~

	~~It says "fi adna alard"~~

	~~If it really meant in the nearer land, it must have been~~

	~~"fi adna ard" without the "al".~~

	~~The "adna" means lower in the Quran. Let's look at an example from the Quran;~~

	~~"ثم دنى فتدلى"~~

	~~53:8 Then be drew nigh and came down Picktall~~

	~~Thumma dana fatadalla~~

	~~"Dana" here means down/low. So "adna" in the Quran means lower......~~

	~~"Fi" also means "near". And obviously the Romans were defeated near the Dead Sea.~~

	~~"However all the interpreters of the Quran have translated the verse correctly."~~

	~~No, they got it wrong. Read the Reformist Translation of the Quran to get a clearer idea of what it says. I also elaborated above of why the correct translation is “lowest” not “near”.~~





	~~So, can you help me, i don't know what is right or wrong.~~

	~~Thanks a lot.~~


	~~Alt.[[User:Alt\|Alt]] ([[User talk:Alt\|talk]]) 17:52, 30 July 2013 (PDT)~~
	:hi Alt, I regret we dont have time to help with anything that is not related to an article on the site. Try the [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/index.php FFI forum.] --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius\|talk]]) 20:41, 30 July 2013 (PDT)

Axius: try the ffi forum

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try the ffi forum

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	Alt.[[User:Alt\|Alt]] ([[User talk:Alt\|talk]]) 17:52, 30 July 2013 (PDT)		Alt.[[User:Alt\|Alt]] ([[User talk:Alt\|talk]]) 17:52, 30 July 2013 (PDT)
			:hi Alt, I regret we dont have time to help with anything that is not related to an article on the site. Try the [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/index.php FFI forum.] --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius\|talk]]) 20:41, 30 July 2013 (PDT)

Alt at 00:52, 31 July 2013

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	:We are not a forum. If you need help with Arabic, go to a language forum or [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/ FaithFreedom International] and ask for help. Thanks. [[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 10:25, 11 June 2013 (PDT)		:We are not a forum. If you need help with Arabic, go to a language forum or [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/ FaithFreedom International] and ask for help. Thanks. [[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 10:25, 11 June 2013 (PDT)

			Hello.

			I need help please. I not speack english but I understand a little.

			It's about the "Dead Sea miracle".

			Muslims says that in the Quran it is mentionned that the Dead Sea is the lower land of the Earth and that the usual translation is an error.

			See that please :

			http://quran-m.com/firas/france/index.php/dans-lunivers/122-le-point-le-plus-bas-de-la-terre

			''Dans le troisième verset de la sourate ar-Roûm, nous apprenons que les Romains ont été vaincus dans la région la plus basse de la Terre. Cette expression, "adnâ al-ard" en arabe, a été interprétée dans la plupart des traductions comme signifiant "un endroit voisin". Cependant, ce n'est pas le sens littéral de l'expression, mais plutôt une interprétation au sens figuré. Le mot ‘adnâ’ en arabe est dérivé du mot ‘ânî’ qui signifie bas, et ‘ard’ signifie la Terre. Donc , l'expression ‘adnâ al-ard’ signifie "l'endroit le plus bas de la Terre ".''

			"In the third verse of Surat ar-Rum, we learn that the Romans have been defeated in the lowest region of the Earth. This expression, "Adna al Ard" in Arabic, has been interpreted in most translations as meaning "a nearby place". However, this is not the literal meaning of the term, but rather an interpretation figuratively. The word 'Adna' is derived from the Arabic word 'ani' means low, and 'ard' meaning Earth. So the expression 'Adna al Ard "means" the lowest place on Earth. ""


			http://www.examinethetruth.com/omars_response_to_sina1.htm

			Here, a muslim says :

			These translations are outdated and contain various other errors in them.

			"This is of course wishful thinking of a deluded believer and the absurdity of that is self-evident. The Romans were not defeated in the Red Sea but in Jerusalem and Jerusalem is above sea level."

			The word "fi" means "near" or “beside” too. The Romans were defeated near the Dead Sea, which is true.

			"If we had to take Mr. Ahmed for his word and disregard the obvious meaning of the word, this verse would have become yet another blunder of Muhammad."

			It says "fi adna alard"

			If it really meant in the nearer land, it must have been

			"fi adna ard" without the "al".

			The "adna" means lower in the Quran. Let's look at an example from the Quran;

			"ثم دنى فتدلى"

			53:8 Then be drew nigh and came down Picktall

			Thumma dana fatadalla

			"Dana" here means down/low. So "adna" in the Quran means lower......

			"Fi" also means "near". And obviously the Romans were defeated near the Dead Sea.

			"However all the interpreters of the Quran have translated the verse correctly."

			No, they got it wrong. Read the Reformist Translation of the Quran to get a clearer idea of what it says. I also elaborated above of why the correct translation is “lowest” not “near”.





			So, can you help me, i don't know what is right or wrong.

			Thanks a lot.


			Alt.[[User:Alt\|Alt]] ([[User talk:Alt\|talk]]) 17:52, 30 July 2013 (PDT)

Sahab at 17:25, 11 June 2013

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	[[User:Alt\|Alt]] ([[User talk:Alt\|talk]]) 10:19, 11 June 2013 (PDT)		[[User:Alt\|Alt]] ([[User talk:Alt\|talk]]) 10:19, 11 June 2013 (PDT)

			:We are not a forum. If you need help with Arabic, go to a language forum or [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/ FaithFreedom International] and ask for help. Thanks. [[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 10:25, 11 June 2013 (PDT)

Alt at 17:19, 11 June 2013

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	:The article already deals with that claim. [[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 00:31, 11 June 2013 (PDT)		:The article already deals with that claim. [[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 00:31, 11 June 2013 (PDT)
	::Alt, you can also read/take a quick look at: [[Arabic Terms]], [[Islam and Propaganda]] and [[Before Converting to Islam]]. --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius\|talk]]) 04:11, 11 June 2013 (PDT)		::Alt, you can also read/take a quick look at: [[Arabic Terms]], [[Islam and Propaganda]] and [[Before Converting to Islam]]. --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius\|talk]]) 04:11, 11 June 2013 (PDT)


			Ok, thanks, but, Some of you speak arab or not ?

			I just want to have a translation to know what it is written in the quote i supply in arab.

			Can you help me please ?

			I send a message to the author to ask him what is the translation of his phrases to know what he wanted to say.

			Thanks a lot.

			[[User:Alt\|Alt]] ([[User talk:Alt\|talk]]) 10:19, 11 June 2013 (PDT)

Axius at 11:11, 11 June 2013

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	:'''"I don't understand arab language. I just quote a site who answering about "daha". And the persons speack about the sentences that I quote in arabic language to prove what he says."'''		:'''"I don't understand arab language. I just quote a site who answering about "daha". And the persons speack about the sentences that I quote in arabic language to prove what he says."'''
	:The article already deals with that claim. [[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 00:31, 11 June 2013 (PDT)		:The article already deals with that claim. [[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 00:31, 11 June 2013 (PDT)
			::Alt, you can also read/take a quick look at: [[Arabic Terms]], [[Islam and Propaganda]] and [[Before Converting to Islam]]. --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius\|talk]]) 04:11, 11 June 2013 (PDT)

Sahab at 07:31, 11 June 2013

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Alt at 07:00, 11 June 2013

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			Hi, I'm not good in English but I understand what you say.

			Can you ask to the person who translate this site in French to translate my message and my source about globus cruciger ? It explain why is not a reference about a spheric Earth.

			I'm not muslim and I don't understand arab language. I just quote a site who answering about "daha". And the persons speack about the sentences that I quote in arabic language to prove what he says. Can you understand this arabic phrases and can you translate me because i can't and i want to know about what it is talk ?

			Thanks a lot.

			I'm agnostic.

			[[User:Alt\|Alt]] ([[User talk:Alt\|talk]]) 00:00, 11 June 2013 (PDT)



	Hi,		Hi,

Sahab at 02:00, 11 June 2013

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