User talk:Mushrik - Revision history

Mushrik: /* Changes to Muhammad and Booty */

2021-12-05T07:47:29Z

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	==Changes to Muhammad and Booty==		==Changes to Muhammad and Booty==

	Hi [[User:~~Raman~~\|~~Raman~~]], I am not going to accept your change to the [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Muhammad and Booty]] Page. The additions you made cite tertiary sources with commentary, they are good but out of place on this page. Rather, since they all deal with slavery, I would like to create a new page called "Slavery in Islamic Law" and you could put the material there. If you would like to work on the page, I can create it and then paste your material into it. Please let me know how you would like to proceed.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 05:36, 17 October 2021 (UTC)		Hi [[User:Mushrik\|Mushrik]], I am not going to accept your change to the [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Muhammad and Booty]] Page. The additions you made cite tertiary sources with commentary, they are good but out of place on this page. Rather, since they all deal with slavery, I would like to create a new page called "Slavery in Islamic Law" and you could put the material there. If you would like to work on the page, I can create it and then paste your material into it. Please let me know how you would like to proceed.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 05:36, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
	:I prefer the article being titled, "Islamic law on capturing and enslaving non-Muslims" but the matter we can add to such an article will be limited, so I will leave the choice to you. As an ex-Moose, you will know better.-[[User:Mushrik\|Mushrik]] ([[User talk:Mushrik\|talk]]) 16:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)		:I prefer the article being titled, "Islamic law on capturing and enslaving non-Muslims" but the matter we can add to such an article will be limited, so I will leave the choice to you. As an ex-Moose, you will know better.-[[User:Mushrik\|Mushrik]] ([[User talk:Mushrik\|talk]]) 16:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
	::I am not actually an ex-Muslim. I would very much like to create the Slavery in Islamic Law article there and let you put the material there. I will go ahead and create it now.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 01:55, 20 October 2021 (UTC)		::I am not actually an ex-Muslim. I would very much like to create the Slavery in Islamic Law article there and let you put the material there. I will go ahead and create it now.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 01:55, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Mushrik at 07:44, 5 December 2021

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	Hey ~~Raman~~, I replied to your messages on my talk page and on the rape in Islamic law page. --[[User:IbnPinker\|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker\|talk]]) 21:24, 26 November 2020 (UTC)		Hey Mushrik, I replied to your messages on my talk page and on the rape in Islamic law page. --[[User:IbnPinker\|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker\|talk]]) 21:24, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

	Hi, thanks for volunteering. I reverted your edits on the Zina page because the rape was moved from the Hudood ordinance 1979 to the Pakistan Penal Code in 2006 (alluded to in the intro of the Rape article) and prosecuted very differently. Also, the language is too stretched to say a married woman rape victim "will" be accused of zina and punished. Rather, it's a high risk if she cannot prove that she was raped. So that could perhaps be re-added with better wording (also presumably even an unmarried rape victim can be accused of zina, though the punishment would be different). We need to be precise as possible when citing sources and do significant research on a topic before editing, especially if sources are 20 years old (the Pak example).		Hi, thanks for volunteering. I reverted your edits on the Zina page because the rape was moved from the Hudood ordinance 1979 to the Pakistan Penal Code in 2006 (alluded to in the intro of the Rape article) and prosecuted very differently. Also, the language is too stretched to say a married woman rape victim "will" be accused of zina and punished. Rather, it's a high risk if she cannot prove that she was raped. So that could perhaps be re-added with better wording (also presumably even an unmarried rape victim can be accused of zina, though the punishment would be different). We need to be precise as possible when citing sources and do significant research on a topic before editing, especially if sources are 20 years old (the Pak example).

Mushrik: /* Changes to Muhammad and Booty */

2021-12-04T03:08:45Z

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	Hi [[User:Raman\|Raman]], I am not going to accept your change to the [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Muhammad and Booty]] Page. The additions you made cite tertiary sources with commentary, they are good but out of place on this page. Rather, since they all deal with slavery, I would like to create a new page called "Slavery in Islamic Law" and you could put the material there. If you would like to work on the page, I can create it and then paste your material into it. Please let me know how you would like to proceed.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 05:36, 17 October 2021 (UTC)		Hi [[User:Raman\|Raman]], I am not going to accept your change to the [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Muhammad and Booty]] Page. The additions you made cite tertiary sources with commentary, they are good but out of place on this page. Rather, since they all deal with slavery, I would like to create a new page called "Slavery in Islamic Law" and you could put the material there. If you would like to work on the page, I can create it and then paste your material into it. Please let me know how you would like to proceed.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 05:36, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
	:I prefer the article being titled, "Islamic law on capturing and enslaving non-Muslims" but the matter we can add to such an article will be limited, so I will leave the choice to you. As an ex-Moose, you will know better.-[[User:~~Raman~~\|~~Raman~~]] ([[User talk:~~Raman~~\|talk]]) 16:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)		:I prefer the article being titled, "Islamic law on capturing and enslaving non-Muslims" but the matter we can add to such an article will be limited, so I will leave the choice to you. As an ex-Moose, you will know better.-[[User:Mushrik\|Mushrik]] ([[User talk:Mushrik\|talk]]) 16:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
	::I am not actually an ex-Muslim. I would very much like to create the Slavery in Islamic Law article there and let you put the material there. I will go ahead and create it now.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 01:55, 20 October 2021 (UTC)		::I am not actually an ex-Muslim. I would very much like to create the Slavery in Islamic Law article there and let you put the material there. I will go ahead and create it now.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 01:55, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
	:::[[Slavery in Islamic Law]]		:::[[Slavery in Islamic Law]]
	::::Thanks!-[[User:~~Raman~~\|~~Raman~~]] ([[User talk:~~Raman~~\|talk]]) 10:36, 20 October 2021 (UTC)		::::Thanks!-[[User:Mushrik\|Mushrik]] ([[User talk:Mushrik\|talk]]) 10:36, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


	==Slavery in Islamic Law==		==Slavery in Islamic Law==

	I removed the Quranic quote you added, it's not saying what you were alleging. When the Qur'an says يُنَزِّلَ ٱللَّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِۦ عَلَىٰ مَن يَشَآءُ مِنْ عِبَادِهِ "Allah brings down from his grace upon whom he wills from his slaves" the slaves here being referred to are the believers, whom we would call the Muslims. This isn't speaking about non-Muslims enslaved by Muslims.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 01:34, 25 October 2021 (UTC)		I removed the Quranic quote you added, it's not saying what you were alleging. When the Qur'an says يُنَزِّلَ ٱللَّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِۦ عَلَىٰ مَن يَشَآءُ مِنْ عِبَادِهِ "Allah brings down from his grace upon whom he wills from his slaves" the slaves here being referred to are the believers, whom we would call the Muslims. This isn't speaking about non-Muslims enslaved by Muslims.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 01:34, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Mushrik: /* Warning */

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	As per our relevancy document, in order to be covered on WikiIslam, a topic must be about "a belief or practice that is or has been widespread amongst Muslims, or does it chronicle the history of such a belief or a historical subject which is germane to such a belief." The Love Jihad article you created cites no examples of widespread practice of "Romeo Jihad" in the Muslim community nor any proof of widespread support or promotion of the practice by Islamic scholars and clerics, but rather cites examples of BJP governments in India passing legislation against the practice (and the articles cited actually bring up the fact that this is not a widespread practice which is actually happening). For this reason, it also violates WikiIslam's policies on article relevancy and scope. As with the above infraction, a further infraction will result in your permanent banning from WikiIslam. If you have any further questions, please feel free to reach out to me or [[User:IbnPinker]]. --[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 03:06, 30 November 2020 (UTC)		As per our relevancy document, in order to be covered on WikiIslam, a topic must be about "a belief or practice that is or has been widespread amongst Muslims, or does it chronicle the history of such a belief or a historical subject which is germane to such a belief." The Love Jihad article you created cites no examples of widespread practice of "Romeo Jihad" in the Muslim community nor any proof of widespread support or promotion of the practice by Islamic scholars and clerics, but rather cites examples of BJP governments in India passing legislation against the practice (and the articles cited actually bring up the fact that this is not a widespread practice which is actually happening). For this reason, it also violates WikiIslam's policies on article relevancy and scope. As with the above infraction, a further infraction will result in your permanent banning from WikiIslam. If you have any further questions, please feel free to reach out to me or [[User:IbnPinker]]. --[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 03:06, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
	:I thought it was enough to cite sources Alan. The, "Forced conversion to Islam" article was copied from a Wikipedia draft, I did not know that Gyaanipedia had put up the same content with a different first sentence. I will try to get [[User:IbnPinker]] to help from now on. I am sorry.—[[User:~~Raman~~\|~~Raman~~]] ([[User talk:~~Raman~~\|talk]]) 03:11, 30 November 2020 (UTC)		:I thought it was enough to cite sources Alan. The, "Forced conversion to Islam" article was copied from a Wikipedia draft, I did not know that Gyaanipedia had put up the same content with a different first sentence. I will try to get [[User:IbnPinker]] to help from now on. I am sorry.—[[User:Mushrik\|Mushrik]] ([[User talk:Mushrik\|talk]]) 03:11, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

	==Please never edit quotes with your own words==		==Please never edit quotes with your own words==

Mushrik at 03:05, 4 December 2021

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	Good evening ~~Raman~~		Good evening Mushrik,

	I am also writing this message to issue your first warning. We found that the content on two of your recent articles, Forced Conversions in Pakistan and Love Jihad, consist of material copied wholesale from another website, Gyaanipedia. It may not have been clear (and our policies are being updated to better reflect this) but the wholesale copying of material from other websites is considered plagiarism and expressly forbidden. Another infraction of this type will result in your banning from WikiIslam. In addition, the material in the articles did not meet the criteria for the WikiIslam scope. Please refer to our scope document here https://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Scope_and_Article_Relevance .		I am also writing this message to issue your first warning. We found that the content on two of your recent articles, Forced Conversions in Pakistan and Love Jihad, consist of material copied wholesale from another website, Gyaanipedia. It may not have been clear (and our policies are being updated to better reflect this) but the wholesale copying of material from other websites is considered plagiarism and expressly forbidden. Another infraction of this type will result in your banning from WikiIslam. In addition, the material in the articles did not meet the criteria for the WikiIslam scope. Please refer to our scope document here https://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Scope_and_Article_Relevance .

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Asmith: /* Changes to Muhammad and Booty */

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	::::Thanks!-[[User:Raman\|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman\|talk]]) 10:36, 20 October 2021 (UTC)		::::Thanks!-[[User:Raman\|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman\|talk]]) 10:36, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


			==Slavery in Islamic Law==

			I removed the Quranic quote you added, it's not saying what you were alleging. When the Qur'an says يُنَزِّلَ ٱللَّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِۦ عَلَىٰ مَن يَشَآءُ مِنْ عِبَادِهِ "Allah brings down from his grace upon whom he wills from his slaves" the slaves here being referred to are the believers, whom we would call the Muslims. This isn't speaking about non-Muslims enslaved by Muslims.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 01:34, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Mushrik at 10:36, 20 October 2021

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	::I am not actually an ex-Muslim. I would very much like to create the Slavery in Islamic Law article there and let you put the material there. I will go ahead and create it now.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 01:55, 20 October 2021 (UTC)		::I am not actually an ex-Muslim. I would very much like to create the Slavery in Islamic Law article there and let you put the material there. I will go ahead and create it now.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 01:55, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
	:::[[Slavery in Islamic Law]]		:::[[Slavery in Islamic Law]]
			::::Thanks!-[[User:Raman\|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman\|talk]]) 10:36, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Asmith: /* Changes to Muhammad and Booty */

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	:I prefer the article being titled, "Islamic law on capturing and enslaving non-Muslims" but the matter we can add to such an article will be limited, so I will leave the choice to you. As an ex-Moose, you will know better.-[[User:Raman\|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman\|talk]]) 16:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)		:I prefer the article being titled, "Islamic law on capturing and enslaving non-Muslims" but the matter we can add to such an article will be limited, so I will leave the choice to you. As an ex-Moose, you will know better.-[[User:Raman\|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman\|talk]]) 16:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
	::I am not actually an ex-Muslim. I would very much like to create the Slavery in Islamic Law article there and let you put the material there. I will go ahead and create it now.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 01:55, 20 October 2021 (UTC)		::I am not actually an ex-Muslim. I would very much like to create the Slavery in Islamic Law article there and let you put the material there. I will go ahead and create it now.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 01:55, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
			:::[[Slavery in Islamic Law]]

Asmith: /* Changes to Muhammad and Booty */

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	Hi [[User:Raman\|Raman]], I am not going to accept your change to the [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Muhammad and Booty]] Page. The additions you made cite tertiary sources with commentary, they are good but out of place on this page. Rather, since they all deal with slavery, I would like to create a new page called "Slavery in Islamic Law" and you could put the material there. If you would like to work on the page, I can create it and then paste your material into it. Please let me know how you would like to proceed.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 05:36, 17 October 2021 (UTC)		Hi [[User:Raman\|Raman]], I am not going to accept your change to the [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Muhammad and Booty]] Page. The additions you made cite tertiary sources with commentary, they are good but out of place on this page. Rather, since they all deal with slavery, I would like to create a new page called "Slavery in Islamic Law" and you could put the material there. If you would like to work on the page, I can create it and then paste your material into it. Please let me know how you would like to proceed.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 05:36, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
	:I prefer the article being titled, "Islamic law on capturing and enslaving non-Muslims" but the matter we can add to such an article will be limited, so I will leave the choice to you. As an ex-Moose, you will know better.-[[User:Raman\|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman\|talk]]) 16:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)		:I prefer the article being titled, "Islamic law on capturing and enslaving non-Muslims" but the matter we can add to such an article will be limited, so I will leave the choice to you. As an ex-Moose, you will know better.-[[User:Raman\|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman\|talk]]) 16:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
			::I am not actually an ex-Muslim. I would very much like to create the Slavery in Islamic Law article there and let you put the material there. I will go ahead and create it now.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 01:55, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

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	Hi [[User:Raman\|Raman]], I am not going to accept your change to the [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Muhammad and Booty]] Page. The additions you made cite tertiary sources with commentary, they are good but out of place on this page. Rather, since they all deal with slavery, I would like to create a new page called "Slavery in Islamic Law" and you could put the material there. If you would like to work on the page, I can create it and then paste your material into it. Please let me know how you would like to proceed.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 05:36, 17 October 2021 (UTC)		Hi [[User:Raman\|Raman]], I am not going to accept your change to the [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Muhammad and Booty]] Page. The additions you made cite tertiary sources with commentary, they are good but out of place on this page. Rather, since they all deal with slavery, I would like to create a new page called "Slavery in Islamic Law" and you could put the material there. If you would like to work on the page, I can create it and then paste your material into it. Please let me know how you would like to proceed.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 05:36, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
	:I prefer the article being titled, "Islamic law on capturing and enslaving non-Muslims" but the matter we can add to such an article will be limited, so I will leave the choice to you. As an ex-Moose, you will know better.-[[User:~~Raman~~\|~~Raman~~]] ([[User talk:~~Raman~~\|talk]]) 16:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)		:I prefer the article being titled, "Islamic law on capturing and enslaving non-Muslims" but the matter we can add to such an article will be limited, so I will leave the choice to you. As an ex-Moose, you will know better.-[[User:Mushrik\|Mushrik]] ([[User talk:Mushrik\|talk]]) 16:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
	::I am not actually an ex-Muslim. I would very much like to create the Slavery in Islamic Law article there and let you put the material there. I will go ahead and create it now.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 01:55, 20 October 2021 (UTC)		::I am not actually an ex-Muslim. I would very much like to create the Slavery in Islamic Law article there and let you put the material there. I will go ahead and create it now.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 01:55, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
	:::[[Slavery in Islamic Law]]		:::[[Slavery in Islamic Law]]
	::::Thanks!-[[User:~~Raman~~\|~~Raman~~]] ([[User talk:~~Raman~~\|talk]]) 10:36, 20 October 2021 (UTC)		::::Thanks!-[[User:Mushrik\|Mushrik]] ([[User talk:Mushrik\|talk]]) 10:36, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


	==Slavery in Islamic Law==		==Slavery in Islamic Law==

	I removed the Quranic quote you added, it's not saying what you were alleging. When the Qur'an says يُنَزِّلَ ٱللَّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِۦ عَلَىٰ مَن يَشَآءُ مِنْ عِبَادِهِ "Allah brings down from his grace upon whom he wills from his slaves" the slaves here being referred to are the believers, whom we would call the Muslims. This isn't speaking about non-Muslims enslaved by Muslims.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 01:34, 25 October 2021 (UTC)		I removed the Quranic quote you added, it's not saying what you were alleging. When the Qur'an says يُنَزِّلَ ٱللَّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِۦ عَلَىٰ مَن يَشَآءُ مِنْ عِبَادِهِ "Allah brings down from his grace upon whom he wills from his slaves" the slaves here being referred to are the believers, whom we would call the Muslims. This isn't speaking about non-Muslims enslaved by Muslims.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 01:34, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

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	Hi [[User:Raman\|Raman]], I am not going to accept your change to the [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Muhammad and Booty]] Page. The additions you made cite tertiary sources with commentary, they are good but out of place on this page. Rather, since they all deal with slavery, I would like to create a new page called "Slavery in Islamic Law" and you could put the material there. If you would like to work on the page, I can create it and then paste your material into it. Please let me know how you would like to proceed.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 05:36, 17 October 2021 (UTC)		Hi [[User:Raman\|Raman]], I am not going to accept your change to the [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Muhammad and Booty]] Page. The additions you made cite tertiary sources with commentary, they are good but out of place on this page. Rather, since they all deal with slavery, I would like to create a new page called "Slavery in Islamic Law" and you could put the material there. If you would like to work on the page, I can create it and then paste your material into it. Please let me know how you would like to proceed.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 05:36, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
	:I prefer the article being titled, "Islamic law on capturing and enslaving non-Muslims" but the matter we can add to such an article will be limited, so I will leave the choice to you. As an ex-Moose, you will know better.-[[User:Raman\|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman\|talk]]) 16:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)		:I prefer the article being titled, "Islamic law on capturing and enslaving non-Muslims" but the matter we can add to such an article will be limited, so I will leave the choice to you. As an ex-Moose, you will know better.-[[User:Raman\|Raman]] ([[User talk:Raman\|talk]]) 16:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
			::I am not actually an ex-Muslim. I would very much like to create the Slavery in Islamic Law article there and let you put the material there. I will go ahead and create it now.--[[User:Asmith\|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith\|talk]]) 01:55, 20 October 2021 (UTC)