User talk:PW. Jansen - Revision history

Prekladator at 20:55, 4 July 2018

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	:When replying, add one colon before you start the paragraph. If there is already somebody else's reply, every next reply must add one more colon. No need to write your name in the first sentence. You don't need any special knowledge of hadith. Just start reading and searching them for any topic. About sky: I think 22:65 should be in the same sky section but not Yusuf ali's words. Pickthall and shakir are correct because they dont write "rain" and it is not in the Arabic text. "Pillars" and "A piece of sky can fall on them" is present. Adding the same verses if they dont strengthen the article? Not sure but I was discouraged from doing it. Some sections will have a rolling list of verses. There is variety in the added sky verses so that each of them strengthen the claim of sky being a solid dome over earth. [[Flat Earth and the Quran]] article has most of the flat verses with Arabic word meanings. [[User:Saggy\|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy\|talk]]) 04:57, 7 September 2014 (PDT)		:When replying, add one colon before you start the paragraph. If there is already somebody else's reply, every next reply must add one more colon. No need to write your name in the first sentence. You don't need any special knowledge of hadith. Just start reading and searching them for any topic. About sky: I think 22:65 should be in the same sky section but not Yusuf ali's words. Pickthall and shakir are correct because they dont write "rain" and it is not in the Arabic text. "Pillars" and "A piece of sky can fall on them" is present. Adding the same verses if they dont strengthen the article? Not sure but I was discouraged from doing it. Some sections will have a rolling list of verses. There is variety in the added sky verses so that each of them strengthen the claim of sky being a solid dome over earth. [[Flat Earth and the Quran]] article has most of the flat verses with Arabic word meanings. [[User:Saggy\|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy\|talk]]) 04:57, 7 September 2014 (PDT)
	::Ok, so there is a much more extensive page on the flat earth, but not a cross link from the scientific errors page. About completeness or not I prefer to be complete. It is after all supposed to be an encyclopedia. And you avoid discussions what verse should be cited. And when it is not about science but priorities one can get a better sense of what is important in the Quran. But I don't set the standard here. I think YUSUFALI was not a good choice as the main reference for wikiislam, he differs significantly from most other translators. It seems he tried to create something more acceptable. But I also realize that any choice has its problems and controversy. When adding a verse that is translated significantly different in different translations how to treat this? Since it is, I think rightly, practice here to cite only one translation here: YUSUFALI.--[[User:PW. Jansen\|PW. Jansen]] ([[User talk:PW. Jansen\|talk]]) 14:54, 7 September 2014 (PDT)		::Ok, so there is a much more extensive page on the flat earth, but not a cross link from the scientific errors page. About completeness or not I prefer to be complete. It is after all supposed to be an encyclopedia. And you avoid discussions what verse should be cited. And when it is not about science but priorities one can get a better sense of what is important in the Quran. But I don't set the standard here. I think YUSUFALI was not a good choice as the main reference for wikiislam, he differs significantly from most other translators. It seems he tried to create something more acceptable. But I also realize that any choice has its problems and controversy. When adding a verse that is translated significantly different in different translations how to treat this? Since it is, I think rightly, practice here to cite only one translation here: YUSUFALI.--[[User:PW. Jansen\|PW. Jansen]] ([[User talk:PW. Jansen\|talk]]) 14:54, 7 September 2014 (PDT)
	:::1. There is a cross-link right there, under the heading, "[[~~Scientific_Errors_in_the_Qur%27an~~#The_Earth_is_Flat\|The Earth is Flat]]". Click on the link and see for yourself (it quite clearly says, "Main Article: Flat Earth and the Qur'an").		:::1. There is a cross-link right there, under the heading, "[[Scientific_Errors_in_the_Quran#The_Earth_is_Flat\|The Earth is Flat]]". Click on the link and see for yourself (it quite clearly says, "Main Article: Flat Earth and the Qur'an").
	:::2. When has this site claimed it was only an encyclopaedia? As the [[WikiIslam:Policies and Guidelines\|policies]] state, "''WikiIslam is not restricted to only being an encyclopedia of Islam. It is there for editors to make use of in contributing and arranging information about Islam in many ways. For example, compiling news, translating media, making lists, collecting images and videos, counter-apologetics, hosting online books and other documents, and so on.''"		:::2. When has this site claimed it was only an encyclopaedia? As the [[WikiIslam:Policies and Guidelines\|policies]] state, "''WikiIslam is not restricted to only being an encyclopedia of Islam. It is there for editors to make use of in contributing and arranging information about Islam in many ways. For example, compiling news, translating media, making lists, collecting images and videos, counter-apologetics, hosting online books and other documents, and so on.''"

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	I am quitting as an editor, and informed Axius about the reasons. I will not respond to any changes. Thanks and good luck.--[[User:PW. Jansen\|PW. Jansen]] ([[User talk:PW. Jansen\|talk]]) 16:15, 24 October 2014 (PDT)		I am quitting as an editor, and informed Axius about the reasons. I will not respond to any changes. Thanks and good luck.--[[User:PW. Jansen\|PW. Jansen]] ([[User talk:PW. Jansen\|talk]]) 16:15, 24 October 2014 (PDT)
			:I have already written a message about this [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APW._Jansen&diff=109842&oldid=109840] that is present above. Thank you for your earlier contributions. --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 16:45, 24 October 2014 (PDT)

PW. Jansen at 23:15, 24 October 2014

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	PWJ, good luck to you as well and thanks for visting. --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 09:19, 23 September 2014 (PDT)		PWJ, good luck to you as well and thanks for visting. --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 09:19, 23 September 2014 (PDT)
			==Quitting==
			I am quitting as an editor, and informed Axius about the reasons. I will not respond to any changes. Thanks and good luck.--[[User:PW. Jansen\|PW. Jansen]] ([[User talk:PW. Jansen\|talk]]) 16:15, 24 October 2014 (PDT)

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	PWJ emailed the site account and said he does not wish to contribute anymore. I mentioned again that for example the page was titled 'Quran hadiths and Scholars', so the logical thing is to have hadiths on the page. Yet he refused to acknowledge such a basic mistake or acknowledge the importance of Hadiths in Islam as mentioned by Sahab above.		PWJ emailed the site account and said he does not wish to contribute anymore. I mentioned again that for example the page was titled 'Quran hadiths and Scholars', so the logical thing is to have hadiths on the page. Yet he refused to acknowledge such a basic mistake or acknowledge the importance of Hadiths in Islam as mentioned by Sahab above.

	The website is [[What_People_Say_About_WikiIslam\|well liked]] by people due to the hard work and attention to detail that existing editors have put into it. This would not be possible if they made basic mistakes and refused to acknowledge them. ~~Good~~ luck to ~~PWJ~~ as well and thanks for ~~coming~~. --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 09:19, 23 September 2014 (PDT)		The website is [[What_People_Say_About_WikiIslam\|well liked]] by people due to the hard work and attention to detail that existing editors have put into it. This would not be possible if they made basic mistakes and refused to acknowledge them.

			PWJ, good luck to you as well and thanks for visting. --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 09:19, 23 September 2014 (PDT)

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	:::Yes I did see that however you did not look at my reply: Sahab did not give an explicit approval of ''that'' certain hadith to be listed in the Ransom section. It was general advice for moving a new topic into Misc, until it justifies its own page.		:::Yes I did see that however you did not look at my reply: Sahab did not give an explicit approval of ''that'' certain hadith to be listed in the Ransom section. It was general advice for moving a new topic into Misc, until it justifies its own page.
	:::What is your reply for Ransom not being mentioned in Arabic? I asked you that question above. Please see that question again. --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 03:45, 23 September 2014 (PDT)		:::What is your reply for Ransom not being mentioned in Arabic? I asked you that question above. Please see that question again. --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 03:45, 23 September 2014 (PDT)

			PWJ emailed the site account and said he does not wish to contribute anymore. I mentioned again that for example the page was titled 'Quran hadiths and Scholars', so the logical thing is to have hadiths on the page. Yet he refused to acknowledge such a basic mistake or acknowledge the importance of Hadiths in Islam as mentioned by Sahab above.

			The website is [[What_People_Say_About_WikiIslam\|well liked]] by people due to the hard work and attention to detail that existing editors have put into it. This would not be possible if they made basic mistakes and refused to acknowledge them. Good luck to PWJ as well and thanks for coming. --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 09:19, 23 September 2014 (PDT)

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QHS should not include hadiths and scholars?

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	So should we remove all hadiths and verses from [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Women QHS women?] Yes or No? Thats the question you should respond to. If its a "no", why should we have them at QHS:women but not at QHS:Heaven? --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 03:41, 22 September 2014 (PDT)		So should we remove all hadiths and verses from [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Women QHS women?] Yes or No? Thats the question you should respond to. If its a "no", why should we have them at QHS:women but not at QHS:Heaven? --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 03:41, 22 September 2014 (PDT)
	: No Axius, but I think organizing should start before it is complete. The Qur'an is the most authoritative source for Muslims, and if that part is up to level we can organize it, giving it headers, so searching is easier. Waiting with organizing until it is all complete would take too long, and would make the site less convenient to use. --[[User:PW. Jansen\|PW. Jansen]] ([[User talk:PW. Jansen\|talk]]) 03:18, 23 September 2014 (PDT)		: No Axius, but I think organizing should start before it is complete. The Qur'an is the most authoritative source for Muslims, and if that part is up to level we can organize it, giving it headers, so searching is easier. Waiting with organizing until it is all complete would take too long, and would make the site less convenient to use. --[[User:PW. Jansen\|PW. Jansen]] ([[User talk:PW. Jansen\|talk]]) 03:18, 23 September 2014 (PDT)
	::PWJ, you~~'re having problems communicating and understanding a simple~~ question: ~~SHOULD~~ the hadiths from [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Women QHS:Women] be deleted? If not, why not?		::PWJ, you did not respond to my specific question which was: Should the hadiths from [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Women QHS:Women] be deleted? If not, why not? --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 03:43, 23 September 2014 (PDT)
	~~::Do you understand the question?~~ --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 03:43, 23 September 2014 (PDT)

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Axius at 13:53, 23 September 2014

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	''Those sound like emotional reasons, so those alone aren't reason enough to justify a page such as that. As I noted earlier, two quotes are not enough for a stand-alone page, but feel free to add the contents of WikiIslam:Sandbox/Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Ransom to Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Miscellaneous (placing the Heading "Ransom" in its correct alphabetically order). --Sahab (talk) 14:05, 25 August 2014 (PDT)'' <br>		''Those sound like emotional reasons, so those alone aren't reason enough to justify a page such as that. As I noted earlier, two quotes are not enough for a stand-alone page, but feel free to add the contents of WikiIslam:Sandbox/Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Ransom to Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Miscellaneous (placing the Heading "Ransom" in its correct alphabetically order). --Sahab (talk) 14:05, 25 August 2014 (PDT)'' <br>
	::I thought I did put that in the edit summary. --[[User:PW. Jansen\|PW. Jansen]] ([[User talk:PW. Jansen\|talk]]) 03:23, 23 September 2014 (PDT)		::I thought I did put that in the edit summary. --[[User:PW. Jansen\|PW. Jansen]] ([[User talk:PW. Jansen\|talk]]) 03:23, 23 September 2014 (PDT)
	:::Yes I did see that however you did not look at my reply: Sahab did not give an explicit approval of ~~THAT~~ certain hadith to be listed in the Ransom section. It was general advice for moving a new topic into Misc, until it justifies its own page.		:::Yes I did see that however you did not look at my reply: Sahab did not give an explicit approval of ''that'' certain hadith to be listed in the Ransom section. It was general advice for moving a new topic into Misc, until it justifies its own page.
	:::~~Now.~~ What is your reply for Ransom not being mentioned in Arabic? I asked you that question above. ~~I doubt even your contributions to Sandboxes will be of any use (thats why I mentioned you should restrict yourself to your own Sandboxes and not the ones for the site)~~. --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 03:45, 23 September 2014 (PDT)		:::What is your reply for Ransom not being mentioned in Arabic? I asked you that question above. Please see that question again. --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 03:45, 23 September 2014 (PDT)

Axius: undo self

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undo self

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	So should we remove all hadiths and verses from [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Women QHS women?] Yes or No? Thats the question you should respond to. If its a "no", why should we have them at QHS:women but not at QHS:Heaven? --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 03:41, 22 September 2014 (PDT)		So should we remove all hadiths and verses from [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Women QHS women?] Yes or No? Thats the question you should respond to. If its a "no", why should we have them at QHS:women but not at QHS:Heaven? --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 03:41, 22 September 2014 (PDT)
	:: No Axius, but I think organizing should start before it is complete. The Qur'an is the most authoritative source for Muslims, and if that part is up to level we can organize it, giving it headers, so searching is easier. Waiting with organizing until it is all complete would take too long, and would make the site less convenient to use. --[[User:PW. Jansen\|PW. Jansen]] ([[User talk:PW. Jansen\|talk]]) 03:18, 23 September 2014 (PDT)		: No Axius, but I think organizing should start before it is complete. The Qur'an is the most authoritative source for Muslims, and if that part is up to level we can organize it, giving it headers, so searching is easier. Waiting with organizing until it is all complete would take too long, and would make the site less convenient to use. --[[User:PW. Jansen\|PW. Jansen]] ([[User talk:PW. Jansen\|talk]]) 03:18, 23 September 2014 (PDT)
			::PWJ, you're having problems communicating and understanding a simple question: SHOULD the hadiths from [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Women QHS:Women] be deleted? If not, why not?
			::Do you understand the question? --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 03:43, 23 September 2014 (PDT)

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	''Those sound like emotional reasons, so those alone aren't reason enough to justify a page such as that. As I noted earlier, two quotes are not enough for a stand-alone page, but feel free to add the contents of WikiIslam:Sandbox/Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Ransom to Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Miscellaneous (placing the Heading "Ransom" in its correct alphabetically order). --Sahab (talk) 14:05, 25 August 2014 (PDT)'' <br>		''Those sound like emotional reasons, so those alone aren't reason enough to justify a page such as that. As I noted earlier, two quotes are not enough for a stand-alone page, but feel free to add the contents of WikiIslam:Sandbox/Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Ransom to Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Miscellaneous (placing the Heading "Ransom" in its correct alphabetically order). --Sahab (talk) 14:05, 25 August 2014 (PDT)'' <br>
	::I thought I did put that in the edit summary. --[[User:PW. Jansen\|PW. Jansen]] ([[User talk:PW. Jansen\|talk]]) 03:23, 23 September 2014 (PDT)		::I thought I did put that in the edit summary. --[[User:PW. Jansen\|PW. Jansen]] ([[User talk:PW. Jansen\|talk]]) 03:23, 23 September 2014 (PDT)
			:::Yes I did see that however you did not look at my reply: Sahab did not give an explicit approval of THAT certain hadith to be listed in the Ransom section. It was general advice for moving a new topic into Misc, until it justifies its own page.
			:::Now. What is your reply for Ransom not being mentioned in Arabic? I asked you that question above. I doubt even your contributions to Sandboxes will be of any use (thats why I mentioned you should restrict yourself to your own Sandboxes and not the ones for the site). --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 03:45, 23 September 2014 (PDT)

Axius: actually i'll remove my comments for now. PW J may be in the process of replying so I'll come back later

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actually i'll remove my comments for now. PW J may be in the process of replying so I'll come back later

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	So should we remove all hadiths and verses from [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Women QHS women?] Yes or No? Thats the question you should respond to. If its a "no", why should we have them at QHS:women but not at QHS:Heaven? --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 03:41, 22 September 2014 (PDT)		So should we remove all hadiths and verses from [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Women QHS women?] Yes or No? Thats the question you should respond to. If its a "no", why should we have them at QHS:women but not at QHS:Heaven? --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 03:41, 22 September 2014 (PDT)
	: No Axius, but I think organizing should start before it is complete. The Qur'an is the most authoritative source for Muslims, and if that part is up to level we can organize it, giving it headers, so searching is easier. Waiting with organizing until it is all complete would take too long, and would make the site less convenient to use. --[[User:PW. Jansen\|PW. Jansen]] ([[User talk:PW. Jansen\|talk]]) 03:18~~, 23 September 2014 (PDT)~~		:: No Axius, but I think organizing should start before it is complete. The Qur'an is the most authoritative source for Muslims, and if that part is up to level we can organize it, giving it headers, so searching is easier. Waiting with organizing until it is all complete would take too long, and would make the site less convenient to use. --[[User:PW. Jansen\|PW. Jansen]] ([[User talk:PW. Jansen\|talk]]) 03:18, 23 September 2014 (PDT)
	::PWJ, you're having problems communicating and understanding a simple question: SHOULD the hadiths from [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Women QHS:Women] be deleted? If not, why not?
	~~::Do you understand the question? --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 03:43~~, 23 September 2014 (PDT)

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	''Those sound like emotional reasons, so those alone aren't reason enough to justify a page such as that. As I noted earlier, two quotes are not enough for a stand-alone page, but feel free to add the contents of WikiIslam:Sandbox/Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Ransom to Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Miscellaneous (placing the Heading "Ransom" in its correct alphabetically order). --Sahab (talk) 14:05, 25 August 2014 (PDT)'' <br>		''Those sound like emotional reasons, so those alone aren't reason enough to justify a page such as that. As I noted earlier, two quotes are not enough for a stand-alone page, but feel free to add the contents of WikiIslam:Sandbox/Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Ransom to Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Miscellaneous (placing the Heading "Ransom" in its correct alphabetically order). --Sahab (talk) 14:05, 25 August 2014 (PDT)'' <br>
	::I thought I did put that in the edit summary. --[[User:PW. Jansen\|PW. Jansen]] ([[User talk:PW. Jansen\|talk]]) 03:23, 23 September 2014 (PDT)		::I thought I did put that in the edit summary. --[[User:PW. Jansen\|PW. Jansen]] ([[User talk:PW. Jansen\|talk]]) 03:23, 23 September 2014 (PDT)
	:::Yes I did see that however you did not look at my reply: Sahab did not give an explicit approval of THAT certain hadith to be listed in the Ransom section. It was general advice for moving a new topic into Misc, until it justifies its own page.
	:::Now. What is your reply for Ransom not being mentioned in Arabic? I asked you that question above. I doubt even your contributions to Sandboxes will be of any use (thats why I mentioned you should restrict yourself to your own Sandboxes and not the ones for the site). --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 03:45, 23 September 2014 (PDT)

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	::I thought I did put that in the edit summary. --[[User:PW. Jansen\|PW. Jansen]] ([[User talk:PW. Jansen\|talk]]) 03:23, 23 September 2014 (PDT)		::I thought I did put that in the edit summary. --[[User:PW. Jansen\|PW. Jansen]] ([[User talk:PW. Jansen\|talk]]) 03:23, 23 September 2014 (PDT)
	:::Yes I did see that however you did not look at my reply: Sahab did not give an explicit approval of THAT certain hadith to be listed in the Ransom section. It was general advice for moving a new topic into Misc, until it justifies its own page.		:::Yes I did see that however you did not look at my reply: Sahab did not give an explicit approval of THAT certain hadith to be listed in the Ransom section. It was general advice for moving a new topic into Misc, until it justifies its own page.
	:::Now. What is your reply for Ransom not being mentioned in Arabic? I doubt even your contributions to Sandboxes will be of any use (thats why I mentioned you should restrict yourself to your own Sandboxes and not the ones for the site). --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 03:45, 23 September 2014 (PDT)		:::Now. What is your reply for Ransom not being mentioned in Arabic? I asked you that question above. I doubt even your contributions to Sandboxes will be of any use (thats why I mentioned you should restrict yourself to your own Sandboxes and not the ones for the site). --[[User:Axius\|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius\|talk]] <nowiki>\|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius\|contribs]])</span> 03:45, 23 September 2014 (PDT)

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	:When replying, add one colon before you start the paragraph. If there is already somebody else's reply, every next reply must add one more colon. No need to write your name in the first sentence. You don't need any special knowledge of hadith. Just start reading and searching them for any topic. About sky: I think 22:65 should be in the same sky section but not Yusuf ali's words. Pickthall and shakir are correct because they dont write "rain" and it is not in the Arabic text. "Pillars" and "A piece of sky can fall on them" is present. Adding the same verses if they dont strengthen the article? Not sure but I was discouraged from doing it. Some sections will have a rolling list of verses. There is variety in the added sky verses so that each of them strengthen the claim of sky being a solid dome over earth. [[Flat Earth and the Quran]] article has most of the flat verses with Arabic word meanings. [[User:Saggy\|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy\|talk]]) 04:57, 7 September 2014 (PDT)		:When replying, add one colon before you start the paragraph. If there is already somebody else's reply, every next reply must add one more colon. No need to write your name in the first sentence. You don't need any special knowledge of hadith. Just start reading and searching them for any topic. About sky: I think 22:65 should be in the same sky section but not Yusuf ali's words. Pickthall and shakir are correct because they dont write "rain" and it is not in the Arabic text. "Pillars" and "A piece of sky can fall on them" is present. Adding the same verses if they dont strengthen the article? Not sure but I was discouraged from doing it. Some sections will have a rolling list of verses. There is variety in the added sky verses so that each of them strengthen the claim of sky being a solid dome over earth. [[Flat Earth and the Quran]] article has most of the flat verses with Arabic word meanings. [[User:Saggy\|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy\|talk]]) 04:57, 7 September 2014 (PDT)
	::Ok, so there is a much more extensive page on the flat earth, but not a cross link from the scientific errors page. About completeness or not I prefer to be complete. It is after all supposed to be an encyclopedia. And you avoid discussions what verse should be cited. And when it is not about science but priorities one can get a better sense of what is important in the Quran. But I don't set the standard here. I think YUSUFALI was not a good choice as the main reference for wikiislam, he differs significantly from most other translators. It seems he tried to create something more acceptable. But I also realize that any choice has its problems and controversy. When adding a verse that is translated significantly different in different translations how to treat this? Since it is, I think rightly, practice here to cite only one translation here: YUSUFALI.--[[User:PW. Jansen\|PW. Jansen]] ([[User talk:PW. Jansen\|talk]]) 14:54, 7 September 2014 (PDT)		::Ok, so there is a much more extensive page on the flat earth, but not a cross link from the scientific errors page. About completeness or not I prefer to be complete. It is after all supposed to be an encyclopedia. And you avoid discussions what verse should be cited. And when it is not about science but priorities one can get a better sense of what is important in the Quran. But I don't set the standard here. I think YUSUFALI was not a good choice as the main reference for wikiislam, he differs significantly from most other translators. It seems he tried to create something more acceptable. But I also realize that any choice has its problems and controversy. When adding a verse that is translated significantly different in different translations how to treat this? Since it is, I think rightly, practice here to cite only one translation here: YUSUFALI.--[[User:PW. Jansen\|PW. Jansen]] ([[User talk:PW. Jansen\|talk]]) 14:54, 7 September 2014 (PDT)
	:::1. There is a cross-link right there, under the heading, "[[~~Scientific_Errors_in_the_Qur%27an~~#The_Earth_is_Flat\|The Earth is Flat]]". Click on the link and see for yourself (it quite clearly says, "Main Article: Flat Earth and the Qur'an").		:::1. There is a cross-link right there, under the heading, "[[Scientific_Errors_in_the_Quran#The_Earth_is_Flat\|The Earth is Flat]]". Click on the link and see for yourself (it quite clearly says, "Main Article: Flat Earth and the Qur'an").
	:::2. When has this site claimed it was only an encyclopaedia? As the [[WikiIslam:Policies and Guidelines\|policies]] state, "''WikiIslam is not restricted to only being an encyclopedia of Islam. It is there for editors to make use of in contributing and arranging information about Islam in many ways. For example, compiling news, translating media, making lists, collecting images and videos, counter-apologetics, hosting online books and other documents, and so on.''"		:::2. When has this site claimed it was only an encyclopaedia? As the [[WikiIslam:Policies and Guidelines\|policies]] state, "''WikiIslam is not restricted to only being an encyclopedia of Islam. It is there for editors to make use of in contributing and arranging information about Islam in many ways. For example, compiling news, translating media, making lists, collecting images and videos, counter-apologetics, hosting online books and other documents, and so on.''"